Popular with non-fans, and not really important at all. Plus, this doesn't seem like a valid defence against your comments that people like Roy for his character. =/
No, popular with fans. Fire Emblem fans. The people who got into the series because of Melee, IE everyone. And easily the second most important Lord in the series because of it (yes, Roy is more important than Ike). I know you absolutely hate the reason WHY he's popular and important, but the end result here is the only thing that matters. The people want Roy.
Quiz time: You've been calling Roy "generic" and a copy of Marth. I'm curious, what makes his character so generic? Aside from the same moveset in Melee, what makes him so similar to Marth? I'm very interested in your response here, and I'd prefer it if you described both his appearances.
Intended at a point, but not by the end. (Also Lucario didn't replace Mewtwo.
) By the end of the process, its clear that Roy wasn't intended, since if he was, he would have gotten in.
You're making me do the English class thing. Come on, you're better than this.
"I intended to buy my daughter a birthday cake, but the bakery was closed when I got there."
"I intended to punch that guy in the face, but my friends talked me out of it."
"I intended to eat the entire steak, and I did, but now I want to throw up."
"I didn't intend to let that milk turn into yogurt, but now it looks even more delicious."
Or something closer to home:
"I intended to replace Ness with Lucas, but Mother 64 wasn't going to be ready so I stuck with Ness."
Sakurai is allowed to intend something and end up unable to do it just like anyone else. He's admitted to excluding "certain characters" in order to stay on schedule and laments the exclusion.
Its clear that Brawl's roter was determined by slots though...
Anyways, while its true that there could pottentially be cut characters coming back from the grave, it makes no sense to bring back the unimportant characters. The only one who has any pottential to return seems to be Mewtwo, and even he doesn't have much of a chance. (Outside of a pottential Smash DS game which needs a completely different approach in regards to its roster)
Prove that the entire roster was determined by slots as opposed to, say, individual character popularity (with a couple of exceptions as usual).
You're right, we don't need the unimportant and unpopular characters. That's why no one is expecting Doc or Pichu. But people want Roy and Mewtwo. You're either crazy or in denial if you think people don't want them back.
It makes no sense to appeal to those who actually aren't fans though. Yes Melee was important to the Fire Emblem series, but you know what? That doesn't mean Roy is. Its just like those SMRPG fans who seem to equate the game to Geno, but don't pay attention to the fact that he wasn't the point of the game. In terms of Melee, Marth was the original character there, not the living breathing ad that was Roy. Heck, given Fire Emblem's overseas sucess being associated with Smash, and given that it clearly seems to be based more on marketing than other series, should tell you that Roy won't get back in since his game isn't international. Also you do know that Roy was also almost cut along with Marth at the time, right? Really now as I said before, if you want to go by non-fans popularity as a reason a character should get in, then you should be betting on Waluigi, Daisy, and Young Link for getting into SSB4. While you may claim that the other series act different, I don't quite think that its a very conclusive point, since you've really got little evidence that it actually will act different.
This paragraph is a mess so bear with my equally disorganized response.
- Fire Emblem's fanbase outside Japan is entirely because of Marth and Roy being popular in Melee. Fire Emblem would be nothing without Melee. People associate the series with Marth and Roy (and now Ike as well). They want all three. They wanted all three in Brawl, they'll want all three in SSB4.
- People are allowed to like characters from Smash Bros. without having played the original games. I know this bothers you but that's how it is. This is how people get into new series such as (suprise) Fire Emblem.
- Young Link and Toon Link are interchangable because they're both "Kid Link." Almost everyone agrees with this unless they're pushing for a MM moveset. People aren't asking for OoT Adult Link now, are they?
- Geno, Waluigi, and Daisy haven't been playable in Smash before (minus color swaps). All of their popularity comes from Mario games, not Smash. How are you trying to compare them to Roy again?
Do you really think that's not a problem? Not even Star Fox is that bad, and Star Fox is pretty clone-tacular.
It's not a problem because people don't care if certain characters share traits if there's enough to distinguish them.
Quiz #2: A character in Brawl is "the hero." He has a red hat, a shirt, blue jeans, and dark hair. Most would describe him as brave, selfless, friendly, and not a big talker in his own games. Which character am I referring to?
As I said though, the future is unpredictable, and all of that could simply happen. Heck, I would think that a plot point about time travel would be kept underwraps anyways, and as we don't know what the pottential PO2 would be like, anything's up in the air. Anyways, isn't it odd that you dismiss PO2 there despite it having the exact same situation right now as the pottential FE12? (Aka they simply are speculating for when and if the time comes, though nothing is confirmed as of yet)
There's a huge difference between mention features for the next game and mentioning characters. How are you not getting this?
According to you, all it takes it the character's looks and a bit of fire for them to accept a character.
Play Melee, compare the various stances, taunts, and poses between Marth and Roy. People can tell the difference between feminine Marth and energetic Roy.
Yeah, newness doesn't mean everything, but given the FE series current progression of having the newest lord, it seems like one of the safest bets for SSB4. In addition, I would assume that the next lord's game will actually be international, and people can actually use the character, and like him for what he is in his series, instead of a different game completely. (Plus, if Ephraim was around at the time of SSBB then he really could have made it in.)
I'm not denying a new Lord, I'm merely suggesting that Roy has a much bigger chance than half of the people here give him. And if FE12 is that all-star game they're thinking about, well...
