[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[Tacel]

Reese?

Typo. Keese. http://www.zeldawiki.org/Keese

 

[Paper Mario Master]

well now that you are done i say there are parts that are good, meh, and fail
a good is isaac, a meh is FE char place holder, and a fail is Roy Pichu Dr. M and no Paper Mario

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Typo. Keese. http://www.zeldawiki.org/Keese

Oh keese hmmm maybe either way his B^ should do more damage than it does now...

 

[Kwyjibo]

Am I the only person pushing for Layton, Krystal and Balloon Fighter?

Sakurai's wanted Balloon Fighter in since Melee, but the other 2 retro characters they considered (ICs and Pit) were the ones who got in. At a rate of 1 new retro character per sequel, Balloon Fighter is pretty much a lock.

Krystal is a Star Fox character who actually wouldn't have the same moves as every other Star Fox character. How rare. I still think she would have been a better pick than wolf.

Layton is one of Nintendo's more recent IPs, and I think it would be amazing to have him in the game. I think he's highly deserving of a roster spot, and I think the Layton series deserves the recognition.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Am I the only person pushing for Layton, Krystal and Balloon Fighter?

Sakurai's wanted Balloon Fighter in since Melee, but the other 2 retro characters they considered (ICs and Pit) were the ones who got in. At a rate of 1 new retro character per sequel, Balloon Fighter is pretty much a lock.

Krystal is a Star Fox character who actually wouldn't have the same moves as every other Star Fox character. How rare. I still think she would have been a better pick than wolf.

Layton is one of Nintendo's more recent IPs, and I think it would be amazing to have him in the game. I think he's highly deserving of a roster spot, and I think the Layton series deserves the recognition.

Well as far as I'm concerned you are the only person pushing for baloon fighter and Layton
but I highly support Krystal as long as she has her staff because she'd be unique but adventures sucked command sucked imo but I loved 64 and Assault they were AWESOME

 

[Hero.]

Well as far as I'm concerned you are the only person pushing for baloon fighter and Layton
but I highly support Krystal as long as she has her staff because she'd be unique but adventures sucked command sucked imo but I loved 64 and Assault they were AWESOME

Adventures sucked? That game was my favorite I'm mad I lost it though. Command would have been better if that stupid time limit crap wasnt there. But anyway I too support Krystal she should be in ssb4

 

[Kwyjibo]

Well as far as I'm concerned you are the only person pushing for baloon fighter and Layton
but I highly support Krystal as long as she has her staff because she'd be unique but adventures sucked command sucked imo but I loved 64 and Assault they were AWESOME

I think Layton would be more likely than another FE character. Layton is one of Ninty's newer franchises, and they will more than likely use the next Smash game to try and push it a little more. Some of the new characters I suggested, like Tricky, I know are unlikely, but I think Layton has a shot and could be a really interesting character. Plus, your opponent gets lost in his British accent, giving you an advantage

Also, Adventures was SO much better than Assault.

 

[Clownbot]

Professor Layton isn't a Nintendo series, the games are just released on Nintendo systems.

 

[n88]

well now that you are done i say there are parts that are good, meh, and fail
a good is isaac, a meh is FE char place holder, and a fail is Roy Pichu Dr. M and no Paper Mario

FE character place holder may be meh, but it's better than picking a character for a series I'm not familiar with. I don't think Paper Mario has fantastic chances. It's been discussed by some of the best debaters in the thread with no solid conclusion. Pichu is a place-holder for a most-recent gen Pokemon. Dr. Mario is fairly likely to return for the same reason he got into Melee: Beefs up the roster w/o as much work as a normal character.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Am I the only person pushing for Layton, Krystal and Balloon Fighter?

Sakurai's wanted Balloon Fighter in since Melee, but the other 2 retro characters they considered (ICs and Pit) were the ones who got in. At a rate of 1 new retro character per sequel, Balloon Fighter is pretty much a lock.

Krystal is a Star Fox character who actually wouldn't have the same moves as every other Star Fox character. How rare. I still think she would have been a better pick than wolf.

Layton is one of Nintendo's more recent IPs, and I think it would be amazing to have him in the game. I think he's highly deserving of a roster spot, and I think the Layton series deserves the recognition.

You're not the only one who's pushing for Krystal, as I do so as well. I, on the other hand, seem the only one pushing for Mach Rider and Star Man...

That said, didn't Sakurai say that Balloon Fighter couldn't work because of having easily-popped balloons? I'd be interested in seeing where you heard that Sakurai wanted BF to get in.

Layton isn't likely, though.

 

[Jerome]

Like I said before the FE series has a good chance of getting 3 characters representing the series so do you guys think they will add another Mother character? And if they do why does everyone think nintendo will add Claus? They should add Ninten or Ana since there in the original.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Like I said before the FE series has a good chance of getting 3 characters representing the series so do you guys think they will add another Mother character? And if they do why does everyone think nintendo will add Claus? They should add Ninten or Ana since there in the original.

Maybe, maybe not. Judging by the poll, though, there seem to be 2 suggestions that got mentioned 2 times: Jeff and Claus.

Concerning Claus, people think that he'll be added because, for all intents and purposes, he's much likelier than the other Mother characters to get in. He also has an important role in the game he came from, too. Not to mention that he has more potential to have a moveset that sets him apart from the other Mother reps.

Ninten and Ana are too similar in appearance to Ness and Paula (who definitely isn't likely to get in, mainly since Ness uses some of her attacks), so they're not likely.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

I don't know why everyone likes Adventures better than Assault. Adventures' story was pretty good but that didn't make up for the complete spin off feel that it had after 64 and the graphics
Assault was more traditional a with a few new gameplay features added to make it something new. Command had meh graphics and poor gameplay imo.
Overall all 3 had their chinks but out of all Assault had the least

 

[xceed_xcel]

Maybe, maybe not. Judging by the poll, though, there seem to be 2 suggestions that got mentioned 2 times: Jeff and Claus.

Concerning Claus, people think that he'll be added because, for all intents and purposes, he's much likelier than the other Mother characters to get in. He also has an important role in the game he came from, too. Not to mention that he has more potential to have a moveset that sets him apart from the other Mother reps.

Ninten and Ana are too similar in appearance to Ness and Paula (who definitely isn't likely to get in, mainly since Ness uses some of her attacks), so they're not likely.

i like kumatora or duster would have a better chance than claus mainly because they are likly to spoil mother 3 AGAIN.i think ninten has a chance in if they give him the psi moves he had in his game
upB 4th d slip
sideB psi paralys
neutrealB power shield
downB quick up

 

[Mowrt620]

Rearranging your pikmin is useless?

nm, didn't mean to say that...
I do, however, think that they could make olimar a little easier to use, hes got a unique style, but people overlook him to much
GIVE OLIMAR POWAAA

 

[Mowrt620]

Am I the only person pushing for Layton, Krystal and Balloon Fighter?

Sakurai's wanted Balloon Fighter in since Melee, but the other 2 retro characters they considered (ICs and Pit) were the ones who got in. At a rate of 1 new retro character per sequel, Balloon Fighter is pretty much a lock.

Krystal is a Star Fox character who actually wouldn't have the same moves as every other Star Fox character. How rare. I still think she would have been a better pick than wolf.

Layton is one of Nintendo's more recent IPs, and I think it would be amazing to have him in the game. I think he's highly deserving of a roster spot, and I think the Layton series deserves the recognition.

Yeah dude, ballon fighter would own, along with krystal
idunno about layton tho

 

[Jerome]

Maybe, maybe not. Judging by the poll, though, there seem to be 2 suggestions that got mentioned 2 times: Jeff and Claus.

Concerning Claus, people think that he'll be added because, for all intents and purposes, he's much likelier than the other Mother characters to get in. He also has an important role in the game he came from, too. Not to mention that he has more potential to have a moveset that sets him apart from the other Mother reps.

Ninten and Ana are too similar in appearance to Ness and Paula (who definitely isn't likely to get in, mainly since Ness uses some of her attacks), so they're not likely.

Ok, I sort of agree with you. Ninten looks too much like Ness but Claus looks too much like Lucas. They should add Ana because, they need more female characters and someone needs to represent the first Mother game. This could be her move set.

B Up = PK Thunder or Teleport
B = PK Ground
Side B = PK Beam
B Down = PSI Healing (For every 3 seconds she heals 1% damage.)
Final Smash = Pray or she could sing the 8 Melodies. (Everyones gets dizzy for 5 seconds and their damage increases by 80%.)

Ana's stats

Power 5/10
Speed 5/10
Weight 4/10
Recovery 10/10
Grab 9/10
Reach 5/10
Final Smash 9/10

If she had these moves she would not be a clone right?
Excuse the handwriting.

 

[Mowrt620]

I'm personaly rooting for
Sora
Pacman
Bomberman
Megaman
Geno
Tom Nook
Bowser Jr.
King K. Rool

They would rock

 

[Jerome]

I'm personaly rooting for
Sora
Pacman
Bomberman
Megaman
Geno
Tom Nook
Bowser Jr.
King K. Rool

They would rock

I could see those characters getting in. It would be sweet to play as Pacman!

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Ok, I sort of agree with you. Ninten looks too much like Ness but Claus looks too much like Lucas. They should add Ana because, they need more female characters and someone needs to represent the first Mother game. This could be her move set.

B Up = PK Thunder or Teleport
B = PK Ground
Side B = PK Beam
B Down = PSI Healing (For every 3 seconds she heals 1% damage.)
Final Smash = Pray or she could sing the 8 Melodies. (Everyones gets dizzy for 5 seconds and their damage increases by 80%.)

Ana's stats

Power 5/10
Speed 5/10
Weight 4/10
Recovery 10/10
Grab 9/10
Reach 5/10
Final Smash 9/10

If she had these moves she would not be a clone right?
Excuse the handwriting.

Actually, people are expecting Claus to show up

Spoiler

in his "Masked Boy" persona

. The normal version of Claus is already a palette swap for Lucas.

As for Ana, it's wishful thinking that Sakurai would give that moveset to Ana, let alone let her in.

As for the "more females" argument...I'm sorry, but I regret to inform you that this doesn't fly around here lately.

I'm personaly rooting for
Sora
Pacman
Bomberman
Megaman
Geno
Tom Nook
Bowser Jr.
King K. Rool

They would rock

I can see everyone in the list showing up except for Tom Nook and Sora. Pacman's in the maybes. Geno's fate is undetermined at the moment.

Indeed, it would be cool if they do show up (K. Rool for SSB4!).

 

[Mowrt620]

I could see those characters getting in. It would be sweet to play as Pacman!

YES! A pacman supporter!
Anyone else like pacman?
like, the 3D one with arms and legs

 

[Paper Mario Master]

I'm personaly rooting for...
Paper Mario
Micaiah
Toon Ganon
Ridley
Bowser Jr.
Most FE characters (Excludes Roy)
and a bunch of others that I can't remember...and most females because there aren't much...

 

[Mowrt620]

I'm personaly rooting for...
Paper Mario
Micaiah
Toon Ganon
Ridley
Bowser Jr.
Most FE characters (Excludes Roy)
and a bunch of others that I can't remember...

C'mon, toon ganon, honestly
Ridley is cool tho, i forgot to add him on my list
WHY EXLUDE ROY!?!?!?!

 

[Jerome]

YES! A pacman supporter!
Anyone else like pacman?
like, the 3D one with arms and legs

I don,t see why Pacman shouldn't be in SSB4.

 

[Mowrt620]

Sora has been on nintendo before, and hes gonna have a new one 4 the ds

as for tom nook, they had an animal crossing level, and he could use a shovel, net to capture people, fishing pole tether recovery, and an AXE

 

[Clownbot]

"WHY EXCLUDE ROY!?!?" -Mowrt620

Because he's a dead character and he'll be long forgotten by the time SSB4 is released. A new FE lord will probably get in before him; even if there aren't any new FE games before SSB4, it wouldn't make sense to put him back after they excluded him from Brawl.

 

[Jerome]

Sora has been on nintendo before, and hes gonna have a new one 4 the ds

as for tom nook, they had an animal crossing level, and he could use a shovel, net to capture people, fishing pole tether recovery, and an AXE

Tom Nook doesn't feel right as a fighter IMO. Mabey Animal Crossing Boy and Girl or mabey even Rover.

 

[Mowrt620]

"WHY EXCLUDE ROY!?!?" -Mowrt620

Because he's a dead character and he'll be long forgotten by the time SSB4 is released. A new FE lord will probably get in before him; even if there aren't any new FE games before SSB4, it wouldn't make sense to put him back after they excluded him from Brawl.

Yeah, i'd like to see Lyn, cuz shes a girl, with an actual weapon!

 

[Mowrt620]

Tom Nook doesn't feel right as a fighter IMO. Mabey Animal Crossing Boy and Girl or mabey even Rover.

Yeah, that would work to
"Animal Crosser" is his name

 

[Clownbot]

LOL, Lyn is even less likely than Roy, and it's also invalid to say that she's likely because she's female, because that doesn't have any determination on the roster.

And I don't see your point about the weapon.... Roy has a sword.

Also, please don't double-post. There is an edit button at the bottom of your posts; use that instead.

 

[kirbywizard]

I really hate Fire Emblem discussions when I start seeing Michia and Lyn showing up. Then I hear " Mic will have more moveset potential". Bull**** it doesn't even mean a **** if she has moveset potential. For all we know if she is put in she will be a faster version of Zelda =__=. Besides she was one of three lords on radiant dawn and Ike easily represents Radiant Dawn and Path of Radiance. As a fire emblem fan I would be mad seeing a spot taken away from the roster by Mic when the game she appeared in can easily be represented by Ike.


Also Olimar and Luigi are fine as they are. The whistle was a key aspect in the Pikmin games, and still is in smash bros. While Luigi as time is taken as the weaker clone of a brother in the Mario Games. Only to show up as the complete opposite of Mario in many ways. In Brawl his moves are similar to Mario but at the same time completely different. I won't mind seeing his vacuum make an appearance as long as it doesn't remove any of his specials. Maybe as a Dair or Up air but nothing more.

 

[Jerome]

This is from left field but Birdo would be the perfect wtf character lol!

 

[Mowrt620]

Heres some movesets for random fun

Pacman

B- Chomp

Side B- Throw a ball (the ones that you eat, occasionally throwing a big, blinking one)

Up B- Chain of balls for a tether recovery

Down B- Holds a ghost for projectile and move reflect, like peaches toad

FINAL SMASH- Giant Original pac man, eat people in and stuff




Animal Crosser/or Tom Nook

B- Net capture

Side B- Golden Axe swing

Up B- A fishing pole tether

Down B- Dig a hole with shovel, people trip when they touch, and if you press a while digging, a spinning shovel attack

FINAL SMASH- Stampede of AC characters

I'll post more another time

 

[Mowrt620]

I really hate Fire Emblem discussions when I start seeing Michia and Lyn showing up. Then I hear " Mic will have more moveset potential". Bull**** it doesn't even mean a **** if she has moveset potential. For all we know if she is put in she will be a faster version of Zelda =__=. Besides she was one of three lords on radiant dawn and Ike easily represents Radiant Dawn and Path of Radiance. As a fire emblem fan I would be mad seeing a spot taken away from the roster by Mic when the game she appeared in can easily be represented by Ike.


Also Olimar and Luigi are fine as they are. The whistle was a key aspect in the Pikmin games, and still is in smash bros. While Luigi as time is taken as the weaker clone of a brother in the Mario Games. Only to show up as the complete opposite of Mario in many ways. In Brawl his moves are similar to Mario but at the same time completely different. I won't mind seeing his vacuum make an appearance as long as it doesn't remove any of his specials. Maybe as a Dair or Up air but nothing more.

At least add luigi's poltergeist 3000, he needs it
you have to agree

 

[Mowrt620]

This is from left field but Birdo would be the perfect wtf character lol!

yoshi was bad enough, lol

 

[Clownbot]

Mowrt, I asked you already, and you did it again. PLEASE DO NOT POST TWICE IN A ROW. It is against the rules at SWF. I apologize if I sound like a jerk here, but it's a pet peeve of mine (this goes to the other people that have been double-posting here as well).

 

[DekuBoy]

Double post is double.

I have a friend who would kill for Professor Layton. Anyway I want Olimar to equip his sprays in some way.

 

[Mowrt620]

Mowrt, I asked you already, and you did it again. PLEASE DO NOT POST TWICE IN A ROW. It is against the rules at SWF. I apologize if I sound like a jerk here, but it's a pet peeve of mine (this goes to the other people that have been double-posting here as well).

oh, sorry, i didn't know it was in the rules, and i didn't hear u say it
won't happen again

 

[kirbywizard]

At least add luigi's poltergeist 3000, he needs it
you have to agree

I just said I wouldn't mind seeing his vacuum, but as lond as it doesn't replace his specials. His tornado, fire balls, Up B, and side B really show how different he is from his brother. And his final smash really show how he feels after being stuck in the dark for so many years thanks to his brother. HIs vacuum might be great as an alternate down B on the ground. But Luigi is perfect as he is now.

I have a friend who would kill for Professor Layton. Anyway I want Olimar to equip his sprays in some way.

Actually the spray can be implemented into his down special, as call his pikmin and spray them with the nectar the makes them stronger. I'm ok with that



I wish professor layton had a good shot at getting in, but he is owned by Nintendo and Level 5 games

 

[Paper Mario Master]

C'mon, toon ganon, honestly
Ridley is cool tho, i forgot to add him on my list
WHY EXLUDE ROY!?!?!?!

Well I'm pretty sure I've already gone over this w/ Mario the Jumpman... TG would be a dual wielding swordsman and more Toon LOZ plus there's no possible way that he could be a clone, a first for Toons.

I know the old Roy argument as well, I don't like him because I've really gotten into the FE series and think the limited space could be put to better use plus given past experiences he and Lyn could turn out clones Roy just being a last minute filler clone of Marth with fire like Ike and Lyn's fight style could end up too similar to Marth's. Most of the reason people's FE roster goes like this: Ike Marth Roy Lyn, is because those have all appeared in Smash so they say that they'll get in before anyone else.

Don't go off and get really ticked I'm just answering your question that's not saying I don't want you to argue.

and I love Ridley and think he should be included with Meta Ridley like ZSS