[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[Mowrt620]

If we keep toon link, I would rather see vaati, but not toon zelda, tetra, or TG
If ganondorf gets his sword, we won't need TG


also, read my character movesets ^ higher up
i'd like to hear some feedback

 

[Paper Mario Master]

I really hate Fire Emblem discussions when I start seeing Michia and Lyn showing up. Then I hear " Mic will have more moveset potential". Bull**** it doesn't even mean a **** if she has moveset potential. For all we know if she is put in she will be a faster version of Zelda =__=. Besides she was one of three lords on radiant dawn and Ike easily represents Radiant Dawn and Path of Radiance. As a fire emblem fan I would be mad seeing a spot taken away from the roster by Mic when the game she appeared in can easily be represented by Ike.

Ummmmmmm what 3rd Lord? Sothe? You might as well say that Soren was a lord they're important but share classes. Micaiah and Ike are the only 2 real lords of RD and Ike of PoR. (Maybe RD SPOILERS)



Plus RD was more about Goddesses and that is more about Micaiah than Ike. Don't get me wrong I like Ike but I don't see who else you think should get in besides Micaiah


and @ Mowrt620:
I don't care for TZ or Tetra but declone TL with Four Swords moves like Fire Rod and I've said it before about giving Ganon a sword, he should have his energy ball attack from OoT and not a sword because he's more situated for arm and leg attacks when TG never uses magic or anything that I can remember in WW but he does use his swords where reg. Ganon only did in TP that I can think of.

 

[kirbywizard]

Ummmmmmm what 3rd Lord? Sothe? You might as well say that Soren was a lord they're important but share classes. Micaiah and Ike are the only 2 real lords of RD and Ike of PoR. (Maybe RD SPOILERS)



Plus RD was more about Goddesses and that is more about Micaiah than Ike. Don't get me wrong I like Ike but I don't see who else you think should get in besides Micaiah.

The other lord was the stupid Queen on the flying Horse, she counts as a Lord >_> ( Broken Lords )



Roy, and Sirgud are much better then Mic for the Fire Emblem Series.

 

[Mowrt620]

Well, we don't wan't to many double characters in ssb4
Maybe one of Ganondorfs attacks could include his sword
his attacks should be based on magic, just not cloning C. falcon (which was a huge mistake)
And maybe TL's final smash could be the four sword links causing damage all over, just a suggestion

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Well, we don't wan't to many double characters in ssb4
Maybe one of Ganondorfs attacks could include his sword
his attacks should be based on magic, just not cloning C. falcon (which was a huge mistake)
And maybe TL's final smash could be the four sword links causing damage all over, just a suggestion

I have an idea of a Four Sword FS and a TL modified moveset but I still support TG because of how well he would work. btw about your movesets, I don't want the characters but if they were in your moves would be good except change the net to a slingshot.

and to kirbywizard:

I didn't count Elincia as much of a lord and if she is she's not as important as the other 2 and Roy is-- I'm not gonna bother I already explained it and I forgot, who exactly is Sigurd?

 

[Mowrt620]

I have an idea of a Four Sword FS and a TL modified moveset but I still support TG because of how well he would work. btw about your movesets, I don't want the characters but if they were in your moves would be good except change the net to a slingshot.

Whats the idea for TL, eh?

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Whats the idea for TL, eh?

Well....

B: Same Hero's Bow

B Sides: Fire Rod: Shoots a fireball out in front and if you press down quickly after pressing
B Side you put a fire block on the ground that is treated as an item and can be picked up and thrown that after a while explodes and sends fireballs in all directions.

B Up: Either Hurricane Spin or Deku Leaf: It Propels you upward like Snake but does damage on the way up or a faster, higher version of Link's Spin.

B Down: Magic Hammer or Skull Hammer (same effect): Charge up and it gets bigger the bigger it is the more damage it does and at full charge it sends a small tremor not to far. When used in the air same as Kirby's. (Maybe be B and Bv be Pegasus Boots but probably not)

FS: Four Sword:
Holds up his sword like Marth and then it shines and a small gold ring goes out around TL like Tri Slash and the # of enemies hit a TL appears (Darker or Lighter color like team brawls) and the other TL attacks the person hit like TS and at the end the TLs come back into TL.


After thinking I want TL to keep his Boomerang to maybe it could be his B<> and Magic Hammer be B and the Fire Rod be Bv and not have the bow but maybe not but something and the Bomb need to get axed

 

[Mowrt620]

cool, I think i'll post some more movesets while i'm here...

Sora

B- Freeze, fire, thunder. Chosen randomly, shoots outta the keyblade
Side B- Strike Raid, you know if yuo've played the game, if not, you throw the keyblade
Down B- Gravity, chargeable, like a pitfall, but shorter
Up B- Ragnarock, shoot up while attacking, low power on attacks, but you give about five hits

FINAL SMASH- Final form, or Antiform, but antiform is rare, like in the game

 

[Paper Mario Master]

cool, I think i'll post some more movesets while i'm here...

Sora

B- Freeze, fire, thunder. Chosen randomly, shoots outta the keyblade
Side B- Strike Raid, you know if yuo've played the game, if not, you throw the keyblade
Down B- Gravity, chargeable, like a pitfall, but shorter
Up B- Ragnarock, shoot up while attacking, low power on attacks, but you give about five hits

FINAL SMASH- Final form, or Antiform, but antiform is rare, like in the game

That's cool but where did everybody go???

 

[Mowrt620]

That's cool but where did everybody go???

They died in a horrible fire

 

[Paper Mario Master]

They died in a horrible fire

Darn! Bowser claims his victims again...

 

[The Graceful Assassin]

Maybe Black Shadow from F-Zero or Sothe from Fire Emblem?

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Maybe Black Shadow from F-Zero or Sothe from Fire Emblem?

Not Black Shadow but Sothe would be pretty sweet but probly won't get in...

 

[Pieman0920]

There is a much better pick for F-Zero than Black Shadow, and there are multiple better picks for Fire Emblem than Sothe (heck, even Roy...though probably not Sigurd d to too much repetivness in the main characters. At least Roy's aehetics are different)

Also, on Dr. Mario beefing up the roster, I don't think that its a very solid reason, since we don't know how the creation process for SSB4 will go, and we don't know if a better type of alt-Mario would have sprung up in the mean time.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

There is a much better pick for F-Zero than Black Shadow, and there are multiple better picks for Fire Emblem than Sothe (heck, even Roy...though probably not Sigurd d to too much repetivness in the main characters. At least Roy's aehetics are different)

Also, on Dr. Mario beefing up the roster, I don't think that its a very solid reason, since we don't know how the creation process for SSB4 will go, and we don't know if a better type of alt-Mario would have sprung up in the mean time.

I agree Sothe shouldn't get in but neither should Roy and will someone explain why Sigurd should get in? Is it because he uses lances if so I agree but would rather have someone newer that uses lances.

 

[Mowrt620]

OMG ANOTHER MOVESET!!!

Bomberman


B-Place a bomb, and kick it if b is pressed again

Side B- Throw a bomb

Up B- Jetpack thingy that he sometimes wears, or a bomb under his feet that sends him up

Down B- Charge bomb and explodes hurting everyone near exept bomberman

FINAL SMASH- Bombs fall from the sky for about 6 seconds EDIT: Bomberman is protected from the bombs too, in a shelter or something, idk

word indeed

 

[Pieman0920]

I agree Sothe shouldn't get in but neither should Roy and will someone explain why Sigurd should get in? Is it because he uses lances if so I agree but would rather have someone newer that uses lances.

Sigurd's official weapon is a sword, not a lance. So far none of the FE charaters have strayed away from their official weapon, though as far as I can remember that only really applies to Ike, who can use axes.

But really, most of his support comes from those who have well....played FE4. Many who have played it consider it the best FE after all, if not the hardest. Still he's only the main lord for half of the game before Celice takes over.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Sigurd's official weapon is a sword, not a lance. So far none of the FE charaters have strayed away from their official weapon, though as far as I can remember that only really applies to Ike, who can use axes.

But really, most of his support comes from those who have well....played FE4. Many who have played it consider it the best FE after all, if not the hardest. Still he's only the main lord for half of the game before Celice takes over.

Oh got it, I haven't played it but I would still prefer some people that could bring something new to the table like a mage (Micaiah) or a lance user...(Caeda Nephenee) and females wouldn't hurt...or Laguz...

 

[rockem7]

Ephraim is a more recent Lance using lord, and the fact that he's a lord makes him more likely than Nephenee. And his chances still aren't that great, unless FE12 is a sequel to FE8.
And...Movesets should really go in MYM, not here.

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

Pieman I hope you don't mind, but I'm knocking down your Quote Jenga and reorganizing everything. It might like a little ugly until you start replying but I think you'll be fine.

You like yellow, right? Yeah, everyone does. Yellow it is!

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The problem you have is a lack of perception. It's obvious from your posts.

- "For his role in FE6, he was essentially your standard JRPG fare"
- "Roy and Ike are interchangable because they are both lords who use fire in their attacks."
- "Sigurd doesn't have enough to distinguish him though."
- "See, you're creating personalities, because you've got nothing to go on."

"Maybe it was something I didn't pick up"

Let's look at your description of FE6 Roy's character:

"a kid trying to protect his kingdom from a evil invading empire"
- He's fully aware Bern isn't evil, just that Zephiel is just being a douchebag. Partly because of Guinevere travelling with him, partly because he's familiar with the history of Bern.

"making friends all along the way."
- Recruiting more soldiers is critical to the gameplay, but even then he never gets chummy with the individual soldiers unless he has a support with them.

"He doesn't want to kill or anything, but given the circumstances, he must yadda yadda."
- He never complains about killing, not once. The closest thing to that is his desire to prevent the war, and he gives up on that completely after Hector dies in like Chapter 3.

Nevermind that you completely missed one of his more obvious traits, his intelligence. It's obvious that you're criticizing a character you don't know anything about. I'm not gonna give you guff for not knowing Sigurd though since you already said that you're not that familiar with him (and we don't have to talk about him because I've already mentioned that he has no chance a while ago).

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Now let's look at your description of Roy (and Marth and Ike, while we're at it) in Smash:

"Roy and Ike are interchangable because they are both lords who use fire in their attacks."
- You're not this stupid. I know you're not.

"See, you're creating personalities, because you've got nothing to go on. Really, about three animations (A taunt and three victory poses) are the only significant animations to tell apart their characters, which is the same of all clones. People can tell the difference between Mario and Dr. Mario no? Doesn't mean they are practically the same."
- This is probably the best example of you admitting that you have no perception. Marth stands still and tall, brushes his hair, has a soft voice, and tends to confuse people for a woman. Roy is bouncing, he's got his fist clenched like he's ready to punch someone, his voice is loud, and he's all over the place in his victory poses. EVERYONE sees it, and that's why everyone calls Marth "feminine" and Roy "energetic." The only way you wouldn't know is if you never played as either of them for more than five seconds.

"As for Roy, its because he has less that stands out for him than even the twins (Individually, the twins are probably even more dull than Roy though. I guess its just the concept of two lords that make them stand out, though the execution wasn't done well)"
- I know this wasn't in response to me so I feel like I'm cheating, but I can't ignore this. The twins. TWINS. Seriously. How can you be so blind? At this point I have to wonder if you even own a copy of Brawl or if you actually played the Fire Emblem games you said you've played. If you did, you've easily notice how Marth and Roy fight like a Myrmidon/Swordmaster (especially Dolphin Slash/Blazer), where Ike is like a Mercenary/Hero (especially Brawl Aether being more in line with their crit animation instead of FE Aether). But no, they're twins because "they're both blue-haired swordsmen."

Look, even little kids can tell the difference between Marth, Roy, and Ike. No one looks at them as "blue sword, red sword, blue sword." People notice subtleties and not-so-subtleties when they spend time with the characters. How you don't see them is beyond me.

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As far as I can tell, your main argument is "we need more lances, axes, mages, anything but sword weilders!" And that makes as much sense as "we need more women and villains" or "we need more Mario and Zelda characters!" It doesn't work like that because people want specific characters, not categories. If people wanted Micaiah it'd be because they think Micaiah rules, not because she has a light tome and boobs. People don't want Ridley because he's "a villian to a series that needs more characters." They like him because he's the man.

Here's a hypothetical situation: Cindy has a dog named Spike. Cindy loves Spike, and he means the world to her. One day, Spike runs away. Cindy is devastated. Her parents ask her if she wants a new dog. But Cindy doesn't want a new dog, she wants Spike back. Her friend says that Spike sucked! This new dog is way better than Spike! But Cindy doesn't care, she only wants Spike.

For those of you who don't get analogies: Cindy has a character named Roy. Cindy loves Roy, and he means the world to her. One day, Roy goes away. Cindy is devastated. Nintendo asks her if she wants a new character. But Cindy doesn't want a new character, she wants Roy back. Her friend says that Roy sucked! This new character is way better than Roy! But Cindy doesn't care, she only wants Roy.

Yes, it's possible for Cindy to become interested in the new, but she won't stop pining for the old. And if you play the "what does one person matter?" card, that just shows that you're completely out of touch with the average fan. The majority of them want Roy and the evidence is all over the place.


- "And they were intended to be cut when the time constraints hit them. They were bumped in favor of other characters, and if they were important enough, they would have gotten in instead of others."
- "Yes people want them back, but some people want Doc and Pichu back as well really. Some people want Master Chief, and some people want Geno. Lots of people want lots of things."
- "If so many people wanted Roy though, he would have gotten into Brawl though."

This is you saying people don't want Roy and Sakurai could've magic'd Roy into the game with the power of love if they did. Nevermind all the people upset over Roy's exclusion. Nevermind all the stuff Sakurai had to do just to release the game three months after the initial release date. Nevermind the fact that very very few people were honestly expecting Doc, Pichu, Master Chief, or Geno (sorry Fatman).


For some reason I'm ending this post with quote tags when I haven't used them so far:

Roy...the second most important...wow, that's....wow. Really now, yes Melee had a important role in Fire Emblem, and did introduce it to the west, but its not something you should base the roster around, since itis not Fire Emblem. Its a different series. Quite frankly, if Melee's influence on Fire Emblem mattered that much, then we would have had Roy in Brawl. If Roy was the second most important character, then how do you explain Brawl? If Roy was the second most important FE character, then how do you explain his game not coming out internationally, instead of FE7? Really now, in the standings of Fire Emblem itself, Roy is about as significant as Leaf.

Here's a question: what has any Lord aside from Marth, Roy, or Ike done for the series to make them important? Oh yeah, that's right. They haven't done anything. Lyn taught people outside Japan how to play the game and she's an AT. Good for her. Everyone else? Showed up in their one game, maybe had a cameo in another, then they were done. Went on to be a king or a queen or died bravely. Never came back, never stood out.

Being in Smash Bros. means WAY more than being in any individual Fire Emblem game because Smash means WAY more to the average person than any individual Fire Emblem game.

Yes they can, but that doesn't mean that the roster should be decided by these people, rather than the people who became fans of the actual series. Yes Smash got people introduced to FiE, but that doesn't make it a FE game. If you want to have someone who really represents the impact that Smash had on FE's popularity, then you already have Marth.

The funny thing about this is Sakurai has no way of telling the difference between "non-fans" and people who played Fire Emblem. I could tell him that Moltres is my favorite Pokemon. How is he supposed to know whether it's because of Smash or Pokemon?

And no, Marth doesn't convey "the Fire Emblem effect" well enough on his own. People don't write "Fire Emblem was localized because Marth was in Melee." It's "Marth and Roy." Everywhere on every website that has a description. "Are Marth and Roy in this one?" People want them both. My brother used to say "so basically, Roy is Fire and Marth is Emblem, and they fight crime." You can't have one without the other and assume people will accept it. They're bound to eachother forever.




That was a long one and I still think I missed something.

 

[Wizzerd]

For those of you who don't get analogies: Cindy has a character named Roy. Cindy loves Roy, and he means the world to her. One day, Roy goes away. Cindy is devastated. Nintendo asks her if she wants a new character. But Cindy doesn't want a new character, she wants Roy back. Her friend says that Roy sucked! This new character is way better than Roy! But Cindy doesn't care, she only wants Roy.

For some reason this makes me crack up. Excellent post.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Well since there won't be a new FE in time for the picking of the roster we just have to make do with what we have, which is RD and SD.

Now we have Marth and Ike, SD and PoR, but now that PoR is done we have RD who's mains were Micaiah and Ike so now we have Marth Ike and Micaiah, SD and RD, now I don't know about everyone else but I would like at least one more rep.

This could be filled by someone from either game, so it comes down to who else is important/brings something new to the table, that would leave anything that hasn't been done such as a sword user or now a mage. That could be fixed with a lance user or a Laguz.
So now I would pick Caeda/Sheeda(importance) Nephenee(popularity and awesomeness) or Caineghis(importance and awesomeness). Now Caeda (SD) and Nephenee(RD) are both lance users and the only difference is (originally) one is a flying unit and one is on foot. Nephenee would be better thanks to being on foot imo. Caineghis (RD) would also be a good choice due to being the first beast and bringing a whole new way to fight to the game.

Which would you prefer: Sheeda? Nephenee? Or Cainehis?

 

[Wizzerd]

Well since there won't be a new FE in time for the picking of the roster we just have to make do with what we have, which is RD and SD.

Uhm... with all likelihood FE12 or maybe even FE13 will exist by SSB4. If SSB4 comes out it'll be anywhere from 2012-2015, probably later because Sakurai's busy with Project Sora. That's plenty of time for a new game, and this game will have a new lord, all current arcs being complete.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Uhm... with all likelihood FE12 or maybe even FE13 will exist by SSB4. If SSB4 comes out it'll be anywhere from 2012-2015, probably later because Sakurai's busy with Project Sora. That's plenty of time for a new game, and this game will have a new lord, all current arcs being complete.

Actually aren't the characters picked pretty close to after the release of the prequel? Like isn't that's why Ike looked like he was from PoR not RD in Brawl?
That's why we didn't get a lot of newer characters because they came out after they picked the roster not after it was programed but after Sakurai chose who to be in right...?

 

[ShinoandtheBallonFighter]

Well since there won't be a new FE in time for the picking of the roster we just have to make do with what we have, which is RD and SD.

Now we have Marth and Ike, SD and PoR, but now that PoR is done we have RD who's mains were Micaiah and Ike so now we have Marth Ike and Micaiah, SD and RD, now I don't know about everyone else but I would like at least one more rep.

This could be filled by someone from either game, so it comes down to who else is important/brings something new to the table, that would leave anything that hasn't been done such as a sword user or now a mage. That could be fixed with a lance user or a Laguz.
So now I would pick Caeda/Sheeda(importance) Nephenee(popularity and awesomeness) or Caineghis(importance and awesomeness). Now Caeda (SD) and Nephenee(RD) are both lance users and the only difference is (originally) one is a flying unit and one is on foot. Nephenee would be better thanks to being on foot imo. Caineghis (RD) would also be a good choice due to being the first beast and bringing a whole new way to fight to the game.

Which would you prefer: Sheeda? Nephenee? Or Cainehis?

Why was Sothe not included? Knives and the assassain/Rogue/Thief class are different than Sword users. But out of those three i would prefer Nephenee.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Why was Sothe not included, knives and the assassain/Rogue/Thief class are different than Sword users. but out of those three i would prefer Nephenee

I don't know about Sothe being in...it could work. I don't know I've always liked the idea of Nephenee 1. Lance user 2. Female 3. Awesome popularity and RD coolness 4. Impale 'nuf said.

 

[kirbywizard]

Well since there won't be a new FE in time for the picking of the roster we just have to make do with what we have, which is RD and SD.

Now we have Marth and Ike, SD and PoR, but now that PoR is done we have RD who's mains were Micaiah and Ike so now we have Marth Ike and Micaiah, SD and RD, now I don't know about everyone else but I would like at least one more rep.

This could be filled by someone from either game, so it comes down to who else is important/brings something new to the table, that would leave anything that hasn't been done such as a sword user or now a mage. That could be fixed with a lance user or a Laguz.
So now I would pick Caeda/Sheeda(importance) Nephenee(popularity and awesomeness) or Caineghis(importance and awesomeness). Now Caeda (SD) and Nephenee(RD) are both lance users and the only difference is (originally) one is a flying unit and one is on foot. Nephenee would be better thanks to being on foot imo. Caineghis (RD) would also be a good choice due to being the first beast and bringing a whole new way to fight to the game.

Which would you prefer: Sheeda? Nephenee? Or Cainehis?

No offense all of them did not even have a large impact on any of the games they appeared, and are your typical allies. Saying you want them because they are a laguz or lance user or because they have boobs is being ******** >_>.

 

[ShinoandtheBallonFighter]

Fair enough, but
1. Lance user vs. Knife user is equal in uniquities
2. Not sure if it matters, but if it does, then yes she has that on Sothe
3. She is more popular, but Sothe played a more decisive role within his game
4. Lethality, nuff' said

 

[Paper Mario Master]

No offense all of them did not even have a large impact on any of the games they appeared, and are your typical allies. Saying you want them because they are a laguz or lance user or because they have boobs is being ******** >_>.

Anyone I know that has played RD maybe PoR can tell you that Nephenee is an awesome character and gets the job done pretty easily.

to ShinoandtheBallonFighter:

The problem is that Sothe doesn't use Lethality he has Bane but the way that could work is ONE enemy hit gets their damage percent REALLY high like when he reduces enemy HP to 1 in RD either way his or Neph's Fs would be AWESOME.

 

[Lord Viper]

☆ Arle for SSB4.... if Sega get's another rep. =P ☆

 

[Neckbeard Torterra]

What kind of tether would he have tho, like energy....
I cant see him with a tether, but agreed on the pressure thing

All in all, they shouldn't have taken him out in the first place

He has ESP, he doesn't need an actual tether. Just as long as he can pull people inwards from a distance as a grab.

 

[SmashChu]

Holy god, that was bad. Please, for the love of God, stop now. You lost 2 pages back.

1)Royy IS the second most importaint Fire Emblem character because it's the second one everyone knows.

2)Roy was planned to be in Brawl. We know he was sure as heck going to be in there but was removed because of time. If your using this argument, YOU'VE got nothing left.
3)Melee is the biggest thing that happened to Fire Emblem. It is the only reason you can play it.
4)Was Leaf in Smash Bros. All Smash Bros fans know Roy. Do they know Leaf.

I could go though the rest of it, but it's just flat out awful. You have no good points and you act like a ***. Stop arguing. You've lost.

Used for the post ahead

You seem to be confusing popularity (with non-fans) with importance.

No, you don't know what important means.

marked by or indicative of significant worth or consequence from here

So, the character must have some indicated kind of worth. We can't use story because Fire Emblem, like Final Fantasy, is not continuous. While some games move into one another, most are independent. Since all the lords are the main character, they are all important to the story.

How else may they be important then. Why, they may be important to the franchise. Guess what, Melee is what made FE possible here. People wanted FE because people like Marth and Roy. Since Roy helped to popularize Fire Emblem by being playable in Melee, he has worth, thus, he is important. When a new FE game comes out the question always is "Is Marth or Roy in this game." People thought Elwood was Roy when they say the box for FE7. People were very upset when Roy was taken out of Brawl.

By definition, he is important. To deny his importance is to not understand the definition of importance.

If he was the second most important FE character, he would have made it in though infront of Ike. He wasn't important enough, and thus was cut in the end. Thus by the end of the development, he was intended to be cut, even if at a time before that he wasn't.

Marth was behind Ike since Ike is the only starter FE character. Does this mean that Ike is more important then Marth?

Bold makes no sense. At the "end" of development, he would be decided, not intended.

expected to be such in the future

Intend means you are looking into the future. Intended means, in the past the action was meant to happen (I intended to get my car washed, but it was raining out side. It means I meant to do it. Doesn't mean I did or didn't). character was planned to be removed from the game. Since we know now he was meant to be in, he was intended to be in the game.

Yes, but that doesn't mean Roy has to be automatically associated with it. We do have Marth after all.

Roy was in Melee. He was one of two characters in Melee from Fire Emblem. Thus, he is associated with it.

1)to join as a partner, friend, or companion
4)to bring together or into relationship in any of various intangible ways (as in memory or imagination)
1 is true because most people consider them partners. They are both from the same franchise in a cross over game. It is the same as how we put characters like Lucas and Ness and Fox and Wolf. 4 is true since, as a lot of people have said, Melee made FE in the west. People associate Marth with FE because of that. They also associate Roy. He was the one FE characters people knew besides Marth. Thus, he is associated with Fire Emblem.

Of course not, but in the series itself, Leaf and Roy have about the same amount of importance.

Again, see the definition of importance. Leaf, Marth, Roy and Ike as just as important to their story as they are the main characters. Roy is important because he made FE. Marth is important for the same reason.

Teehee. Its funny because you're the one being ***-like. Toise and I may be arguing, but we're not really trying to make it personal like you're trying here. I could say that you have no good points either, since your main one about Roy being so important due to being in Melee is flawed by the fact that he wasn't important enough to get into Brawl.

No, here is where you're an ***. You claim that "Only fans of the series should get the characters they want." So, now I have to be a part of some stupid "camp" to have characters I want. I can't have Roy because Fire Emblem people declare that they don't support them. It's being an elites is what it is. So if Mario fans all want Goomba, we have to have it for it is what the glorious fanbase declared? We can't have Roy because the fanbase said we have to have a character we don't like.

Did you forget? This is Super Smash Brothers, not Fire Emblem. We can have Roy if we like Roy. We don't need to consult the fanbase first to see if it's OK. We can have the characters we want. You have been declaring characters "unworthy" because some people who happen to associate themselves with a different game (if you can even do that) get to call all the shots of my game. How is that sane?

Also, you arguments are bad. You can't call mine bad because I used very basic logic. Really, I was stating arguments that Toise has already used and proven. Your arguments are bad because you can't even use the words right. All of those arguments you gave me are false because of the incorrect word usage. Your statements are false because of definition (hopefully I don't have to spell it out for you). Your arguments are just poor.

Your right on one thing: Toise was a lot more cool then I.

 

[kirbywizard]

Anyone I know that has played RD maybe PoR can tell you that Nephenee is an awesome character and gets the job done pretty easily..

What does that have to do with her being in the next SSB?
Nothing that's what >_>


I only used her three times out of all my playthroughs because she made some of the levels way to easy

 

[Jerome]

This is what should be done...

Put all characters that was cut in brawl (except young link) in SSb4 just declone them. Also, put in the forbidden 7 characters like Dixie, Plusle and Minun, and Toon Zelda/Toon Sheik. Nintendo can make Toon Zelda/Toon Sheik a non-clone character. In fact they could declone every character even Toon Link, Falco, and Wolf if they wanted to. Give every character there own stage and victory music.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

What does that have to do with her being in the next SSB?
Nothing that's what >_>


I only used her three times out of all my playthroughs because she made some of the levels way to easy

you said that she didn't have an impact on the game I was just saying that to me she did...and a bunch of other people too.

 

[ShinoandtheBallonFighter]

Anyone I know that has played RD maybe PoR can tell you that Nephenee is an awesome character and gets the job done pretty easily.

to ShinoandtheBallonFighter:

The problem is that Sothe doesn't use Lethality he has Bane but the way that could work is ONE enemy hit gets their damage percent REALLY high like when he reduces enemy HP to 1 in RD either way his or Neph's Fs would be AWESOME.

I know he never technically used Lethality, but Smash seems to like to bend the rules when it comes to what FE characters can do. LEthaliy is the "Secret move" for the assassain class in all games they are in. Sothe would just be the epitome of the class due to his story involvement and use Lethality

 

[Arcadenik]

Here's a hypothetical situation: Cindy has a dog named Spike. Cindy loves Spike, and he means the world to her. One day, Spike runs away. Cindy is devastated. Her parents ask her if she wants a new dog. But Cindy doesn't want a new dog, she wants Spike back. Her friend says that Spike sucked! This new dog is way better than Spike! But Cindy doesn't care, she only wants Spike.

For those of you who don't get analogies: Cindy has a character named Roy. Cindy loves Roy, and he means the world to her. One day, Roy goes away. Cindy is devastated. Nintendo asks her if she wants a new character. But Cindy doesn't want a new character, she wants Roy back. Her friend says that Roy sucked! This new character is way better than Roy! But Cindy doesn't care, she only wants Roy.

Yes, it's possible for Cindy to become interested in the new, but she won't stop pining for the old. And if you play the "what does one person matter?" card, that just shows that you're completely out of touch with the average fan. The majority of them want Roy and the evidence is all over the place.

This analogy can be applied to anyone. Watch how this works.

Cindy has a character named Mewtwo. Cindy loves Mewtwo, and he means the world to her. One day, Mewtwo goes away. Cindy is devastated. Nintendo asks her if she wants Lucario. But Cindy doesn't want Lucario, she wants Mewtwo back. Her friend says that Mewtwo sucked! Lucario is way better than Mewtwo! But Cindy doesn't care, she only wants Mewtwo.

Cindy has a character named Ridley. Cindy loves Ridley, and he means the world to her. One day, Ridley does not show up. Cindy is devastated. Nintendo asks her if she wants Zero Suit Samus. But Cindy doesn't want Zero Suit Samus, she wants Ridley. Her friend says that Ridley is too big! Zero Suit Samus works better than Ridley! But Cindy doesn't care, she only wants Ridley.

Cindy has a character named Krystal. Cindy loves Krystal, and she means the world to her. One day, Krystal does not show up. Cindy is devastated. Nintendo asks her if she wants Wolf. But Cindy doesn't want Wolf, she wants Krystal. Her friend says that Krystal sucked! Wolf is way better than Krystal! But Cindy doesn't care, she only wants Krystal.

Cindy has a character named Ayra. Cindy loves Ayra, and she means the world to her. One day, Ayra does not show up. Cindy is devastated. Nintendo asks her if she wants Lip. But Cindy doesn't want Lip, she wants Ayra. Her friend says that Ayra sucked! Lip is way better than Ayra! But Cindy doesn't care, she only wants Ayra.

 

[Starphoenix]

So gang, what have I missed over the past couple of days? Looks like I missed out on the "Roy" war.

Let me steer direction a little. With the release of HeartGold/SoulSilver and with the next Pokémon movie coming out (Pichu is already being reintroduced in the next movie with the Notch-Eared Pichu), would you support Pichu included in Smash 4 again? I know many people loathed Pichu for it's cloned moveset and horrible fighting ability, but if some of that were to change (namely his moveset) would it make Pichu's inclusion more comfortable for you?

There is this sneaking feeling I am having we will see Pichu in a future Smash similarly to how Pokémon Trainer represents FireRed/LeafGreen.

 

[n88]

Yeah, currently, Pichu would occupy the "Next-Gen Pokemon Slot" that most people put on their rosters. I hated him, and will continue to hate him if he gets in, but it has a decent chance of happening.

 

[Volkner582]

Yeah, currently, Pichu would occupy the "Next-Gen Pokemon Slot" that most people put on their rosters. I hated him, and will continue to hate him if he gets in, but it has a decent chance of happening.

What about the female protagonist of HeartGold/SoulSilver with Chikorita, Quilava, and Feraligatr?