[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[Mario the Jumpman]

Well since there won't be a new FE in time for the picking of the roster we just have to make do with what we have, which is RD and SD.

Now we have Marth and Ike, SD and PoR, but now that PoR is done we have RD who's mains were Micaiah and Ike so now we have Marth Ike and Micaiah, SD and RD, now I don't know about everyone else but I would like at least one more rep.

This could be filled by someone from either game, so it comes down to who else is important/brings something new to the table, that would leave anything that hasn't been done such as a sword user or now a mage. That could be fixed with a lance user or a Laguz.
So now I would pick Caeda/Sheeda(importance) Nephenee(popularity and awesomeness) or Caineghis(importance and awesomeness). Now Caeda (SD) and Nephenee(RD) are both lance users and the only difference is (originally) one is a flying unit and one is on foot. Nephenee would be better thanks to being on foot imo. Caineghis (RD) would also be a good choice due to being the first beast and bringing a whole new way to fight to the game.

Which would you prefer: Sheeda? Nephenee? Or Cainehis?

I would prefer Micaiah and Lyn as new reps if there is no new lord, making it four FE reps.

And Sakurai would still love to weaken Sonic.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

C-c-can't we all just get along !?

Or at least talk about something else

I'll talk about something else, I was just explaining myself

and Jumpman why do you insist on Lyn

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

I'll talk about something else, I was just explaining myself

and Jumpman why do you insist on Lyn

Lyndis is a feminist-favorite (and I AM a feminist in case you didn't know), and once I found out that her outift isn't too sexual and read about her in Fire Emblem Wiki, she became one of my favorite video game characters. And she has a bow and arrows along with a sword, giving her less chances of being a clone.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Lyndis is a feminist-favorite, and once I found out that her outift isn't too sexual and read about her in Fire Emblem Wiki, she became one of my favorite video game characters.

It's about as sexual as Nephenee's and Sheeda's

and most people throw Lyn on their rosters because they don't know about any FE characters that aren't in SSB

 

[Tacel]

To TheAceLucario:

You're not a jerk for defending, it's the way you're defending him hence being a jerk about it

Ok. Fine. If you'll stop quoting me then yes, I am a jerk.
Now let's get to discussing.

 

[Pieman0920]

No one said anything about changing hitboxes. The whole point of alt costumes is that they play the exact same. Same stats, same hitboxes, same frame data, same everything except voice and appearance. Pichu's model can fit into Pikachu's hitboxes easily for every move except the ones with his tail (dtilt, utilt, usmash, uair). And there are ways to get around the tail issue without making it grow 10 times its normal size.

As far as "a lot more effort," it'd take like two guys an extra day to play around with the model to make the animations match up to the hitboxes. It's far FAR less effort than making him part of your Female Trainer.

Wait, don't you admit that Pichu would need to have its own model, instead of just being a costume there? In such a case, shouldn't he just be his own character? Seems like if there's all that effort of creating this brand new model, that it doesnt make all too much sense to screw around with its hitboxes, and assign it to another character, when its perfectly valid to just give it a spot on its own.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

It's about as sexual as Nephenee's and Sheeda's

and most people throw Lyn on their rosters because they don't know about any FE characters that aren't in SSB

And Neckbeard Torterra (sorry for dragging you into this, pal) told me that liking Lyn has nothing to do with clothes.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

And Neckbeard Torterra (sorry for dragging you into this, pal) told me that liking Lyn has nothing to do with clothes.

But you just said that when you read about her and found out that her outfit wasn't too bad you liked her.

And once again I'll say that given past experiences Sakurai will probably make her similar to Marth and even w/o the potential clones in the past, she has a pretty good chance of ending up close to Marth.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

But you just said that when you read about her and found out that her outfit wasn't too bad you liked her.

And once again I'll say that given past experiences Sakurai will probably make her similar to Marth and even w/o the potential clones in the past, she has a pretty good chance of ending up close to Marth.

But she has a bow.

 

[Tacel]

Who knows... maybe the Smash makers are done with their cloning phase.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

But she has a bow.

OK but given the past she could be too close, but w/o that how would she use it Link has a bow too.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

OK but given the past she could be too close, but w/o that how would she use it Link has a bow too.

I saw a Lyn moveset on MYM that gave her a bow mode and a sword mode.

 

[Ninja Kirby Nick!]

That would affect her greatly if she had a bow. But it might be a half-link, half marth kind of thing going on for her. And that could be either very good or very bad >_>.

 

[Tacel]

Someone could have said the same thing with Ganondorf. He has a sword but he doesn't use it in Smash.
Lyn has a bow but that doesn't stop her from being a clone and only using her sword.

But it might be a half-link, half marth kind of thing going on for her.

It's very possible that that could happen.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Someone could have said the same thing with Ganondorf. He has a sword but he doesn't use it in Smash.
Lyn has a bow but that doesn't stop her from being a clone and only using her sword.

Hey! We agree on something *high five*

I don't want Ganon to have a sword but magic but he didn't have the sword in that many games did he? You're still right they could have said it but it didn't happen.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Can you guys please stop bashing Lyn like that? She doesn't deserve that!

 

[Tacel]

I like to agree. *High fives*
And just so this isn't spam, here's something that's on topic: http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Lyn

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

I like to agree. *High fives*
And just so this isn't spam. Here's something on topic: http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Lyn

I saw that before, but the main reason is because my computer has problems every time I go on that website.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Can you guys please stop bashing Lyn like that? She doesn't deserve that!

We're not "bashing" her, we're just saying that even though something can happen doesn't mean it will.

Heck, I've started to kinda support Sothe but the more I think about it the more it seams he could be a Shiek clone even though he has something that could make him different.

And also I would lose one of my Favorite ATs

 

[Ninja Kirby Nick!]

Can you guys please stop bashing Lyn like that? She doesn't deserve that!

I neither like nor dislike Lyn in anyway, since I've only played two fire emblem games >.>...

I think Lyn would be one of the top tier characters if she had Link's projectiles and Marth's insane speed and aerial work.

It doesn't have to be the exact same though >_<.

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

Wait, don't you admit that Pichu would need to have its own model, instead of just being a costume there? In such a case, shouldn't he just be his own character? Seems like if there's all that effort of creating this brand new model, that it doesnt make all too much sense to screw around with its hitboxes, and assign it to another character, when its perfectly valid to just give it a spot on its own.

I'm rereading my posts and noticing I've been saying "alt costume" when I meant "alt character" or "alt model." A Wario instead of a Daisy, etc. Sorry about that.

Anyway, making an alt model for Pichu isn't an issue. You take the complete model from Melee, touch it up to fit the design of the current game, copy over all of Pikachu's technical data, and adjust the animations on a couple moves so the model matches the hitboxes. The tail is the only trouble here since Pichu's tail is considerably smaller than Pikachu's, but there's plenty of ways to get around that. This whole process is very easy and very short.

The problem with adding another full character is that Sakurai has to make it functionally different from existing characters (in this case Pikachu) and has to be balanced with all of the other characters. The first one isn't too bad, but the second takes forever, especially with a possible roster of around 50. Why spend so much time trying to work Pichu -- of all characters -- into the game as a fully fledged character when there's so many others that absolutely require balancing?

The only other argument would be "why bother with even the model?" I personally don't care about Pichu, but considering how amazingly simple it is to pull off and how some fans would be excited to see Pichu again, it becomes a question of "why not?"

 

[Paper Mario Master]

I REEEEEEALY don't want to get into the Pichu/Pokemon argument again.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

I REEEEEEALY don't want to get into the Pichu/Pokemon argument again.

That's okay; we also have our Lyn discussion (unless it already ended).

 

[Tacel]

Now, does the chance of Roy coming back and the fact that Lyn is an Assist Trophy lower the chances of her being playable in Smash 4?

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Now, does the chance of Roy coming back and the fact that Lyn is an Assist Trophy lower the chances of her being playable in Smash 4?

Does Lyn deserve to be playable in Smash 4? I personally believe so.

 

[drag0nscythe]

No, thats not what I'm saying, I'm saying that moving Jiggs to a PT is kinda like taking her out and that is just like taking any of the O 12. changing any of the 12's status is not right.

And the mad genius thing, That's also what Izuka said in Radiant Dawn.

To TheAceLucario:

You're not a jerk for defending, it's the way you're defending him hence being a jerk about it

IT is not changing their status.
The original 12 have been modified anyway. Mario got his Down B move changed for example.
The O12 thing is just sentiment that people are using. It really means nothing.

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And to the people complaining about all gen thing. I better not hear any of the "We need to rep as many FE islands as possible", "Paper Mario will rep the RPG series, "Ninten will rep Mother 1", or anything of the like then.

 

[kirbywizard]

I really don't see why we would have Lyn in SSB4 what so ever.
I mean she was a lord, but Elliwood was basically the start in that game. Also just because she has a bow means nothing, it really doesn't matter if a character has a great potential moveset or not. Really the only new possible Lords would be Roy ( Let's just avoid this discussion again) Sirgud ( The great Lord, from what is considered the best fire emblem game ever), and possibly a FE 12 lord ( if it's popular, or heck it could just be a remake of another game)


Also wtf is with the Miciah support? Also what is some of the Sothe support?

 

[Tacel]

I'd like Lyn to be in Smash 4 as long as Knuckle Joe and Samurai Goroh are in Smash 4 as well .

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

I really don't see why we would have Lyn in SSB4 what so ever.
I mean she was a lord, but Elliwood was basically the start in that game. Also just because she has a bow means nothing, it really doesn't matter if a character has a great potential moveset or not. Really the only new possible Lords would be Roy ( Let's just avoid this discussion again) Sirgud ( The great Lord, from what is considered the best fire emblem game ever), and possibly a FE 12 lord ( if it's popular, or heck it could just be a remake of another game)


Also wtf is with the Miciah support? Also what is some of the Sothe support?

You didn't have to kill my excitement...

And Micaiah has a second "a" in her name, or did you mispell her name on purpose?

And Sigurd is just a bad candidate (I kinda hate FE villains, but Sigurd's villain status isn't the only factor in me hating him).

 

[Mowrt620]

Does Lyn deserve to be playable in Smash 4? I personally believe so.

Definite yes, dude
need more females
plus she's cool
nuff said

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Definite yes, dude
need more females
plus she's cool
nuff said

She deserves Smash 4 playability because of her popularity with feminists.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Now, does the chance of Roy coming back and the fact that Lyn is an Assist Trophy lower the chances of her being playable in Smash 4?

Roy isn't much of a problem but I like her as an AT, but if she were in I'm not concerned about Movesets but her FS. Anyone got an idea for her Final Smash?

And kirbywizard: Why do you insist on older characters? Get over Roy (I agree avoid as much as possible for now) and quoting you w/ changes"wtf is with the Sigurd (sword user) and Eliwood (another sword user) support?"

I'll tell you wat's w/ the Micaiah and Sothe support (if there is even that much), they could bring something new to the game. Maybe Sothe wouldn't be as "new" as Micaiah but better than over done stuff.

Micaiah is not only a mage she was the main "lord" of the latest FE besides SD, we have Marth for that.

 

[Tacel]

She deserves Smash 4 because she'd be easy to make a moveset for and because she's perfect for Smash 4.
Let's make this into a game! It's called: Why Lyn Deserves to be in Smash 4.

Anyone got an idea for her Final Smash?

Lyn's Final Smash could just be what she does as an Assist Trophy in Brawl.

 

[kirbywizard]

Roy isn't much of a problem but I like her as an AT, but if she were in I'm not concerned about Movesets but her FS. Anyone got an idea for her Final Smash?

And kirbywizard: Why do you insist on older characters? Get over Roy (I agree avoid as much as possible for now) and quoting you w/ changes"wtf is with the Sigurd (sword user) and Eliwood (another sword user) support?"

I'm not against Roy, or support him alot >_>, he still has a good chance, more then Lyn or Michiah. Sirguds game was considered one of the best in the entire series, and it's a darn crime he hasn't made an appearance.

I'll tell you wat's w/ the Micaiah and Sothe support (if there is even that much), they could bring something new to the game. Maybe Sothe wouldn't be as "new" as Micaiah but better than over done stuff.

It doesn't matter if they can bring anything new to the game =__=

Micaiah is not only a mage she was the main "lord" of the latest FE besides SD, we have Marth for that.

Bull**** Ike already takes her spot, he represents both RD and PoR.

It doesn't matter if they can use magic or bows or crap.


I don't support Eliwood when he would just get overshadowed by Roy.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

She deserves Smash 4 because she'd be easy to make a moveset for and because she's perfect for Smash 4.
Let's make this into a game! It's called: Why Lyn Deserves to be in Smash 4.


Lyn's Final Smash could just be what she does as an Assist Trophy in Brawl.

I like that FS idea, but let's have her do it 3-5 times per FS use.

Also, Sigurd is a Marth/Ike look-alike/do-alike or whatever, and he hasn't gotten any evidence in Brawl that shows his existence, so hardly anyone cares about or remembers him. And it's EXTREMELY acceptable for him to be left out from both Smash 4 and FE 12.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

She deserves Smash 4 because she'd be easy to make a moveset for and because she's perfect for Smash 4.
Let's make this into a game! It's called: Why Lyn Deserves to be in Smash 4.

Lyn's Final Smash could just be what she does as an Assist Trophy in Brawl.

She doesn't deserve it that much 1. she could go horribly wrong 2. she's pretty old

Why she deserves to be in 1. FEMALE REP! 2. could go awesomely right 3. she was an AT (Meh fav AT)

Why I don't want her in 1. the space could be better used 2. I don't wanna give up her AT

and that would be MK's FS

 

[Tacel]

I like that FS idea, but let's have her do it 3-5 times per FS use.

Oh yes! Once for each person and another one for anyone that dodges it. Also, the players shouldn't know when it's going to happen (the waiting time varies), or you should be able to control it.

 

[kirbywizard]

I like that FS idea, but let's have her do it 3-5 times per FS use.

Also, Sigurd is a Marth/Ike look-alike/do-alike or whatever, and he hasn't gotten any evidence in Brawl that shows his existence, so hardly anyone cares about or remembers him.

What an outrage, Sigurd is the main lord from what is considered by many fans one of the best Fire Emblem games made. He is rememberd by many Fire Emblem fans, what hurts him the most is not the age, but him only being in Japan.

 

[Tacel]

that would be MK's FS

Not really. Lyn doesn't need to be right next to the the other player for the Final Smash to work.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

She doesn't deserve it that much 1. she could go horribly wrong 2. she's pretty old

Why she deserves to be in 1. FEMALE REP! 2. could go awesomely right 3. she was an AT (Meh fav AT)

Why I don't want her in 1. the space could be better used 2. I don't wanna give up her AT

and that would be MK's FS

If Sigurd's game was that great, then why is there no evidence of his existence in Brawl? And he's likely not the main lord; Marth likely is.

And Meta can keep his Brawl FS.

Lyn deserves playability because feminists like her (at least she's not a b**bo like Peach).