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[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

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n88

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See? I didn't say he was THE NEXT PERSON IN. I don't think anybody here really is talking about how likely it is for somebody to get in. Nobody expects you to make them feel like they are being confronted by Sakurai to make the Roster themselves. But you don't have to act like they are making it exclusively for you to pick apart. Yeah, it is cool to talk about it, and maybe suggest other things.
But going down the list saying,
"No", "No", "No, they are not likely, if you ask me, anything else in the world that you did not say is more likely."

Is not what people come here to see. Like what you just did to the Waluigi idea.
I only said it to prove that you would go out of your way to make sure that you expressed that is was ridiculous. I am not questioning whether or not he is getting in, or not. I don't make these predictions that you do. I just suggest things, apparently so you can say they are wrong. Sorry I said something against you master Wizzerd, but this is a discussion thread, no? I don't think that people are coming here for your repetitive approvals. So seriously, can you tone it down just a bit? Or does everybody new to this have to just deal with you like you're the president? (By the way, that was a serious question. Not a dig to anger you, or anything to expect a sarcastic response to. Just a question that I am sure is valid)

You said that Waluigi's chances were on par with Tingle's. We told you why wedon't think they are. And then you freaked out. How is that the fault of anyone besides you?

If you want to nominate an unlikely character, you are expected to have a good argument. Which you lack.

EDIT: Where did you find all that stuff about Walugi? I'm just curious, not criticizing here.
 

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I am not trying to debate them getting in. I really am not. I just said that I see him getting in just as easily as others. All I am trying to say is that I think Waluigi would be cool to have in the next Smash. Is that horrible? But I that if I said
"Waluigi would be a cool character to have in the next Smash, huh guys"
I would get a response similar to
"If he was any more significant or had a background or had a game that was not sports related then yes, but other than that, no, he would be lame. Besides, he has no chance due to just stated things."

When I don't see that as a fit answer, and I did not ask if he had a chance, or what his chances were, or anything like that. It was just a simple question that could go in a completely different direction. But it never will obviously. So whatever. No point in arguing about it. Bye everyone. My sincerest apologies to you all that I have caused an issue with.
 

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I am not trying to debate them getting in. I really am not. I just said that I see him getting in just as easily as others. All I am trying to say is that I think Waluigi would be cool to have in the next Smash. Is that horrible? But I that if I said
"Waluigi would be a cool character to have in the next Smash, huh guys"
I would get a response similar to
"If he was any more significant or had a background or had a game that was not sports related then yes, but other than that, no, he would be lame. Besides, he has no chance due to just stated things."

When I don't see that as a fit answer, and I did not ask if he had a chance, or what his chances were, or anything like that. It was just a simple question that could go in a completely different direction. But it never will obviously. So whatever. No point in arguing about it. Bye everyone. My sincerest apologies to you all that I have caused an issue with.
I'm seriously not trying to offend you here, but I prefer the current, argue over everything-style SSB4 thread to you rfantasy version, which would look like this:

RickyPro: Wouldn't Waluigi be a fun character to play as in SSB4?

Wizzerd: Oh, yeah. Wouldn't Tingle be a fun character to play as in SSB4?

n88: Wouldn't Fawful be a fun character to play as in SSB4?

Wizzerd: Oh, yeah. Wouldn't Tingle be a fun character to play as in SSB4?

Arcadenik: Yes. Wouldn't the Duck Hunt Dog be a fun character to play as in SSB4?

Wizzerd: Oh, yeah. Wouldn't Tingle be a fun character to play as in SSB4?

Etc., etc., etc. Arguing is preferable to spouting random ideas, IMO.
 

Wizzerd

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Sure. The only thing I've changed my mind about is Isaac; I think the protagonist of GS3 is more likely now. I'm also less sure about Starfy's chances. Go ahead, I appreciate criticism.
 

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Actually I'll probably just do one series at a time, I'd rather get in depth on one subject than merely scratch the surface on a bunch. And I probably won't start until later tonight, didn't realize what time it was. What a tease.
 

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Well, whatever SSB4's roster will look like, I hope that one will get better representation in the trophy and sticker department.

I mean, honestly. Who in the world ignores the existence of the entire Wario Land series (it got a few stickers, but still)!? :mad:
 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2IC-mFnM34

this is a youtube video i just made its of characters I wish were in the next game that would be fun to play as please watch and if you have a youtube account please comment i just made it a few minutes ago and it is my first video!!!!
I would like to give my honest opinion, but your and RickyPro's defensiveness pretty much forbids me. :ohwell:

I just love shooting down peoples' opinions. It's so pro, isn't it?
 

Wizzerd

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Clownbot said:
I would like to give my honest opinion, but your and RickyPro's defensiveness pretty much forbids me.
I think he le... *stops as to not jinx it*

I just love shooting down peoples' opinions. It's so pro, isn't it?
I know, right?

On-topic: Tingle for SSB4!
 

drag0nscythe

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I think he le... *stops as to not jinx it*


I know, right?

On-topic: Tingle for SSB4!
NO!
Tingle for AT!

Anyway. What now. We have seen characters, stages, AT's, hell everything more than once.
Lets go back to an over done topic. Lets see....................................

DLC. Should they have DLC?

I personally hate the idea. I cannot stand it. Games are incomplete. Retro gaming gets crushed and it generally makes games worse.

That being said, I would accept it if companies would put all the #$@% content on a disc at the end of the games run like Gears of war has done. But no. Companies don't care to do that and fans are "You suck. If you want it, you have to do what we do. Who cares that systems do not last forever and that in 10 years we may be on the next one or the one after that. DLC rocks and I want my games butchered. going back to play games 10 years ago? who does that."

If Nintendo released SSB4. Then DLC. Then a completion game with all DLC on it, I would be all for it. That is my stance anyway.

Why bring this up? because I want alot of characters in the next one. I also want Roy, Dr. M, Pichu, and Mewtwo to return. If DLC is the only way to allow it, then I guess that is what it will have to be.

Also, fans could hack the crap out of the game and add their own in a way (like they are doing right now.)

I WANT GOEMON PLAYABLE!!!!!
the end.
 

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DLC. Should they have DLC?

I personally hate the idea. I cannot stand it. Games are incomplete. Retro gaming gets crushed and it generally makes games worse.

That being said, I would accept it if companies would put all the #$@% content on a disc at the end of the games run like Gears of war has done. But no. Companies don't care to do that and fans are "You suck. If you want it, you have to do what we do. Who cares that systems do not last forever and that in 10 years we may be on the next one or the one after that. DLC rocks and I want my games butchered. going back to play games 10 years ago? who does that."

If Nintendo released SSB4. Then DLC. Then a completion game with all DLC on it, I would be all for it. That is my stance anyway.

Why bring this up? because I want alot of characters in the next one. I also want Roy, Dr. M, Pichu, and Mewtwo to return. If DLC is the only way to allow it, then I guess that is what it will have to be.

Also, fans could hack the crap out of the game and add their own in a way (like they are doing right now.)

I WANT GOEMON PLAYABLE!!!!!
the end.
My mom doesn't allow me to have wi-fi. At all. So, it's a no go on the DLC concept for me.

That said, I'm not too fond of the concept itself, given that this is apparently the only way that one will ever play games like Sin & Punishment and Mega Man 9...(although S&P can be played on an emulator, somehow):(

Being teased by DLC...I find it cruel, rather. I prefer to have the game's entire content in physical media, you know? It's more gratifying that way.

For the record, I also want to see Goemon as well, but I'll be patient. VERY patient (besides, there are plenty of upcoming games to interest and keep me busy). ;)
 

drag0nscythe

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Being teased by DLC...I find it cruel, rather. I prefer to have the game's entire content in physical media, you know? It's more gratifying that way.

For the record, I also want to see Goemon as well, but I'll be patient. VERY patient (besides, there are plenty of upcoming games to interest and keep me busy). ;)
Truth. On both accounts.
I wish Konami would make a real Goemon game for the wii. The wii is perfect for the series. Not only could they VC all the old games, the wii is not a graphics monster (Goemon does not need uber graphics) and it is Gamecube controller compatible.

I am really hoping they take the graphics engine for the new arcade game and put it to use for the wii,

Until then, Cursed mountain, Muramasa blade and every other really interesting wii game will hold me over.
 

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Yes he has but he was nothing but a clone and many people have a disdain for him. Koopa Troopa is in the Big 8, and the Big 8 is from the original outdated Mario Kart game. Toad is now a generic race, and even in NSMB Wii it's just two random yellow and blue Toads. What about Bowser and Jr.? Besides, Fawful just doesn't have the significance besides many other Mario series characters.
Dr. Mario definitely has moveset potential.
The Big 8 Were the ones that constantly appeared in every non-mainstream game on the N64. Which were: Mario, Luigi, Yoshi, Toad, Bowser, Wario, DK, and Peach.
Being in three games including one that came out isn't significiant enough?
Don't you realize how awesome it is to hear "I HAVE FURY!"?

How is Yoshi underrepped? There haven't been many recent Yoshi games.
There still are more games featuring Yoshi then there are featuring DK.

*facepalm* Popo and Nana have similar significance and both are sort of parts of each other, in a way. Diddy and Dixie only teamed up in one game for the SNES, and both are now unique characters. However, Diddy is still significant whereas Dixie is a spinoff character, and he's more popular.
They didn't even team up in the game they were in >_> At least Diddy and Dixie did.

Diversity doesn't really matter when you realize that Waluigi is a filler for spinoffs. Yes Smash is a spinoff yet we don't see Birdo or Daisy. Captain Syrup is the best option as a character to represent the under-repped Wario Land, though she is by no means a perfect option.
If Captain Syrup appears in another game, proving Shake It! wasn't a "cameo", then I'll agree.

And how recent is he? All of the Kirby characters who are at all recognizable, significant and popular are already in. Don't be going by that one little Japanese poll to say Gooey is more popular, Meta Knight is far more recognizable.
I wasn't even aware of a Japanese Poll, and Rick hasn't appeared in a while because the Kirby games (as of recently) have been either remakes, racing, or coded from remakes.


So you're adding them solely based on moveset potential?
In a way, yes. If it makes them completely different from the other fighters that's good enough for a slot. (Although this won't apply to all characters, of course.)

Yes you did.
Thanks, knew I could count on you,


Bad logic, just being a main star means little when your game is obscure and forgotten whereas Mother 3 is not.
Mother (the series) is over, so they might as well represent Ninten or go back to only having Ness.


It's very popular in Japan but notsomuch outside of it.
They've had twice as many games as Metroid has in the past four-six years.

It all depends on how it sells, so it's hard to say yet. Besides, three games isn't very much...
Star Fox (during Melee) says hi.

B: Garbage Block
B>: Block Toss
B^: That thing Lip sat on in the menu
Bv: Counter causing flower-head
Final Smash: Block combo
Isn't that a little wierd? and why is B> a waste of a slot if B basically does the same thing?


*facepalm again* We are talking about SSB4. We are not talking about Mario and Sonic. Rules from completely seperate games do not apply.
No rule was instated that confirmed that only one character from any 3rd-party company may be playable in Smash Bros.

Geno is only recognizable on message boards. Most people outside of them would be far more likely to recognize Bowser Jr. or Paper Mario. Being unique doesn't mean anything as a suitable moveset can be crafted for any character.
He was popular enough to make a cameo in 2003.

:laugh: You're arguing against yourself here. If we get less characters than expected your roster is even less reasonable.
64 didn't have enough characters, so they made up that with Melee. Brawl didn't have enough characters . . . . .

No, I'm talking about the GS3 protagonist, Tom Nook, Ray MK III, Ray and possibly Starfy. Those are all retro characters who are not popular.
Those aren't retro if all of them (sans Ray)had first appeared in 2000 or after.

Vaati hasn't appeared since early 2005 and Agahnim is horribly outdated. If there's another Zelda rep it will be Tingle (deal with it).
*deals with it, groveling for a wasted slot*
 

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Drag0nscythe, as much as you may hate it, Tingle just might be the most likely new Zelda rep. Put your bias aside and think about it logically for a second.

DLC.... It depends on what the DLC is for. No DLC for characters, that takes away from the... feel of the roster, if you will. It makes it possible to add a bunch of unworthy characters (like say,

There still are more games featuring Yoshi then there are featuring DK.
Proof pl0x. And don't count the spinoff games, they really have no determination on the roster.

Mother (the series) is over, so they might as well represent Ninten or go back to only having Ness.
I don't see your logic here.

Isn't that a little wierd? and why is B> a waste of a slot if B basically does the same thing?
You think that's weird? Check out MYM. 97% of the movesets there have uniqueness and originality out the ***.

No rule was instated that confirmed that only one character from any 3rd-party company may be playable in Smash Bros.
Going through the trouble to add a second banana for a THIRD-PARTY SERIES doesn't seem too logical to me.

Those aren't retro if all of them (sans Ray)had first appeared in 2000 or after.
He was referring to your choices.
 

drag0nscythe

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Drag0nscythe, as much as you may hate it, Tingle just might be the most likely new Zelda rep. Put your bias aside and think about it logically for a second.

DLC.... It depends on what the DLC is for. No DLC for characters, that takes away from the... feel of the roster, if you will. It makes it possible to add a bunch of unworthy characters (like say,

and

).
I have thought logically. Tingle is perfect for AT.

As for DLC, Pichu and Roy are awesome. Heathen!!!
And you dish goemon! Unspeakable. I banish you to the puppet dimension.

Still, I want them to come back and I really want Goemon to be playable. If DLC is the only way. I have to live with it.

They better put it on a disc at the end of the game run though. Or I will just go the "Yarr harr" way on that one.

You think that's weird? Check out MYM. 97% of the movesets there have uniqueness and originality out the ***.
true. But about half of them are movesets that are not really viable. They are original and fit the moveset criteria, but they are also very unrealistic at times.
 

Wizzerd

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UberMario said:
Dr. Mario definitely has moveset potential.
The Big 8 Were the ones that constantly appeared in every non-mainstream game on the N64. Which were: Mario, Luigi, Yoshi, Toad, Bowser, Wario, DK, and Peach.
Being in three games including one that came out isn't significiant enough?
Don't you realize how awesome it is to hear "I HAVE FURY!"?
Would Sakurai realize it?
Stop using the Big 8 please. It's an outdated term that only has significance to spinoffs.
Two important ones, the Bean 'n' Badge doesn't really count for anything. He wasn't even the main antagonist in Superstar Saga (that was Cackletta). Two non-protagonist roles is quite honestly insignificant in SSB4 terms.
So we should add Fawful just so he can say that?

There still are more games featuring Yoshi then there are featuring DK
Unless you're counting the roles of generic Yoshis in spinoffs and mainstream platformers, no there aren't. DK also sells much better than Yoshi as a series.

They didn't even team up in the game they were in >_> At least Diddy and Dixie did.
That's because Nana was part of multiplayer, she couldn't be controlled with Popo for multiplayer to be multiplayer. And while they weren't directly together, they certainly could be said to be together. Diddy and Dixie teamed up only once, and for the SNES. (The Ice Climbers are retro, so they break rules of recentness)

I wasn't even aware of a Japanese Poll, and Rick hasn't appeared in a while because the Kirby games (as of recently) have been either remakes, racing, or coded from remakes.
Yeah, Gooey got more votes on the Japanese poll that measured a small portion of the Japanese fanbase which is a portion of the fanbase as a whole. I'd hardly say that means anything. Besides, does it matter why Gooey hasn't been in games recently? What matters is that he hasn't been in games recently and so he is not recent, not that he could have been in.

In a way, yes. If it makes them completely different from the other fighters that's good enough for a slot. (Although this won't apply to all characters, of course.)
Moveset potential is fine and dandy but it doesn't make completely obscure characters deserving. Smash is first to showcase Nintendo, and interesting characters aren't as important (otherwise we might have gotten Olimar, ICs and PT earlier). Also, read an MYM moveset and tell me that some characters don't have moveset potential. We had a moveset for a bagel once. The seventh-place winner of MYM4 was Mach Rider, a guy who rides around on a motorcycle. >_>

Mother (the series) is over, so they might as well represent Ninten or go back to only having Ness.
If it's over, what's the point in giving it another rep in the first place?

They've had twice as many games as Metroid has in the past four-six years.
And yet many of these games were Japan-only. Besides, number of games isn't as important as sales.

Star Fox (during Melee) says hi.
Falco was added as a last minute clone without a regard for a balanced roster.

Isn't that a little wierd? and why is B> a waste of a slot if B basically does the same thing?
Not as weird as ROB. The B would make a garbage block over the opponent, and the B> would launch a panel with unique effects depending on color.

No rule was instated that confirmed that only one character from any 3rd-party company may be playable in Smash
It's pretty simple logic: third parties take extra time to obtain legal rights to and so it's better to spread it out. Besides, Sonic and Snake are guests, they may not even return. Due to their popularity it's unlikely to happen, but more would really be pushing it. Remember that Smash is about Nintendo.

He was popular enough to make a cameo in 2003.
In 2003. If anything, his cameo shows how greedy SE is: he was never even named as Geno, and briefly showed up at all, and SE still demanded a mention in the credits.

64 didn't have enough characters, so they made up that with Melee. Brawl didn't have enough characters . . . .
Of course there were new characters. That's something you do with fighting games. I'm saying that because we have gotten less characters than expected, it's likely that we may not get 50, a number commonly agreed upon, much less 60.

Those aren't retro if all of them (sans Ray)had first appeared in 2000 or after.
I wasn't saying they were. I was saying that the characters you mentioned (Mach Rider and some other ones) were.

*deals with it, groveling for a wasted slot*
Tingle is not a wasted slot...

EDIT: Clownbot beat me to it. :laugh: Thanks.
 

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Well, whatever SSB4's roster will look like, I hope that one will get better representation in the trophy and sticker department.

I mean, honestly. Who in the world ignores the existence of the entire Wario Land series (it got a few stickers, but still)!? :mad:
I agree, great and horrifically underrated series. I wonder if the absence of Wario Land stuff has more to do with Yokoi no longer being alive more than anything else. I kind of get the feeling that's why all the Mario Land games are kind of neglected too. In a way, I think Nintendo kind of feels guilty for how Yokoi was viewed by his peers near the end of his life thanks to the Virtual Boy.
 

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As much as it wont happen (Because Megaman).
It would be neat to have Ryu in SSB4.
Tatsunoko vs. Capcom was a Wii title.
I just literally saw him do an Aura storm but horizontally like PT.
-sigh-


Link needs to use his shield more. I'm sure that thing weighs a ton.
 

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Would Sakurai realize it?
Stop using the Big 8 please. It's an outdated term that only has significance to spinoffs.
Two important ones, the Bean 'n' Badge doesn't really count for anything. He wasn't even the main antagonist in Superstar Saga (that was Cackletta). Two non-protagonist roles is quite honestly insignificant in SSB4 terms.
So we should add Fawful just so he can say that?
Fawful is the main villan of Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story.
 

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As much as it wont happen (Because Megaman).
It would be neat to have Ryu in SSB4.
Tatsunoko vs. Capcom was a Wii title.
I just literally saw him do an Aura storm but horizontally like PT.
-sigh-


Link needs to use his shield more. I'm sure that thing weighs a ton.
I doubt Ryu would get in since our unofficial rule states that there can only be one character per comany and Megaman would be the first choice. However, I'll be as giddy as a schoolgirl if Nintendo vs. Capcom is ever announced.
 

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Have you tried using projectiles against him? (Especially when he ducks). They're blocked by his shield. Unless you mean you want him to cover his head . . . . .
Honestly, that shield is more KO efficient than the Master Sword.
I would die from instant head trama and internal bleeding if he hit me with that whilst me wearing a iron helmet.

..I cant say the same for the sword.
 

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I doubt Ryu would get in since our unofficial rule states that there can only be one character per comany and Megaman would be the first choice. However, I'll be as giddy as a schoolgirl if Nintendo vs. Capcom is ever announced.
omg yes.
BUT -Nintendo are big douchebags and wont sign up to a smaller company's fighting game.
But if they did, i would forgive them for making the plastic failure in human entertainment technology known as 'The Wii'.
 

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Since when is being the main villan in one game, a boss in a second, and an antagonist not deemed "important"?
When Sakurai doesn't even know who he is...

Unless Fawful appears in New Super Mario Bros. Wii or Super Mario Galaxy 2 he is not going to be anything more than some random, obscure character.
 

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When Sakurai doesn't even know who he is...

Unless Fawful appears in New Super Mario Bros. Wii or Super Mario Galaxy 2 he is not going to be anything more than some random, obscure character with a short lived 15 minutes of fame.
Fifteen minutes? Since when is 3 games "15 minutes"? Especially for a series that's getting a new game this year.
 

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UberMario said:
Since when is being the main villan in one game, a boss in a second, and an antagonist not deemed "important"?
When we already have a character who has been a more significant antagonist for three games and will be soon be getting another role and a character with his own, three-game spinoff series.
 

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When we already have a character who has been a more significant antagonist for three games and will be soon be getting another role and a character with his own, three-game spinoff series.
If you're referring to Tingle, fine I see no reason not for him to be included.
 

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I'll choose Waluigi over Wario Ware/Wario Land characters anyday

Waluigi's Moveset
A=Left Punch
AA=Right Punch
AAA=Kick
↔T=Roundhouse Kick
↑T=Upwards Punch
↓T=Sweep Kick
↔S=Power Stomp
↑S=Fist Smash
↓S=Breakdance
DashA=Skid Stop
Nair=Flip Kick
Fair=High Kick
Bair=Back Kick
Uair=Scissor Kick
Dair=Drill
B=Quintuple Stomp
↔B=Bullet Bill Ride
↑B=Air Swim
↓B=Pirahna Plant
FS=Bob-Omb Balloon
Grab Hit=Slap
FThrow=Tennis Racket Smack
BThrow=Back Kick
↑Throw=Waluigi Tornado
↓Throw=Eggplant Slam
 

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Dang it, because of Wizzerd's Lip moveset, I started to think of some ideas...

Neutral B – Garbage Block: Lip raises her wand, and a shining light appears over her head, in the shape of three blocks. If the B button is held down, the three blocks eventually start to increase, until they eventually hit six. Like DK and Samus, if the move is fully charged, it won’t automatically work, and pressing the shield button will cancel Lip out of it, while still maintaining the charge. Once used though, Lip waves her wand forward, and the block lights fly off a distance, much like Yoshi’s Up Special, though if a opponent touches them in this state, they won’t take any damage. Instead, at the peak of their arc, the block lights will materialize into garbage blocks, and fall straight down, more like Kirby’s down B. The increase in charge not only increases the damage and knock back that the garbage blocks would do, but also their range, with six blocks being twice the size of the three block attack. (And four/five blocks would be pretty much one block added, obviously) Three blocks would be around the size of Kirby’s garbage block transformation, though technically shorter to make it three equal blocks.

Side Special – Potted Piranha Plant: Yes, the Mario type of piranha plant. Its technically her pet from Captain Rainbow though, and has a blue bow tied to its head to signify that. For the opening animation, Lip pulls out a garden pot, holds it at a slant upwards angle in front of her, and the piranha plant’s head emerges from it after a split second. The piranha plant has a mind of its own per say, and will simply lunge and attack at any opponent that gets within its range (about the length of ZSS’s forward B). If a opponent does get in front of it, it will lunge out fairly quickly, and then bite. The lunge doesn’t cause much damage or knockback, but the bite does, though nothing spectacular. After a initial lunge, whether it hits or misses, the piranha plant will take a second or so to get its bearings to attack again. Incidentally if the piranha plant is attacked while it isn’t making its lunge, it will whimper, and shoot back inside the pot, taking a few seconds to come back out again. (If Lip withdraws it on her own, it can go back out again right away, though there is some lag in the withdrawal of the plant back into its pot, and Lip putting the pot back into hammer space) Additionally, while it can only take one hit before going back into the pot, the piranha plant can be used as a guard or sorts, because of its position in front of Lip. If the plant is hit by, say a projectile attack, it will simply absorb the attack, hide back in its pot for a few seconds, and Lip will not take the damage. The drawback of this though is that Lip is open in the back, because the pot is positioned in front of her, and the piranha plant can not turn around to attack. Additionally, Lip is stationary while holding out the pot, and can not change directions, without withdrawing the flower pot.

Up Special – Rainbow Walk: This move is essentially the same as Pit’s as when activated, Lip will be able to walk on air, as a glowing rainbow materializes under her feet. Like this, Lip can move in any direction, with the rainbow trail following her wherever she goes. The move shares all the downsides of Pit’s Up B though, as if Lip attacks while using it, she will pop out of it, and won’t be able to use it again until she lands. Similarly, if she is attacked while using it, she won’t be able to reactivate it until she lands. The move is in reference to both the intermissions in Panel De Pon where Lip walks from island to island on a rainbow bridge, as well as Captain Rainbow, where she also walks on a solid rainbow into the sky.

Down Special – Flower Field: Lip raises her wand into the air again, spins it around in a circular motion, and then waves it straight down, and a grove of flowers appears directly under her, around the size of a fully charged six-block (aka two Kirby garbage blocks). She can make two of these flower patches show up on the screen at any given time, and they will stay on the field for about 20 or so seconds. (If she already has two out, and performs the move again, the a new flower patch will still form under her, and the first of the two flower patches will automatically disappear as soon as the new patch forms.) If a opponent walks into one of these patches, they will immediately start to take damage as they would from a Lip’s Stick, though somewhat faster. If they move out of the patch though, they will automatically stop taking damage, as the effects are only in effect when inside the patch. The move is a double reference to both the Lip’s Stick item (though only some of its effect) as well as Captain Rainbow (again...) where Lip causes several flower patches to grow over the island.

Final Smash – Combo Garbage Block: When Lip activates the Smash Ball, she will basically perform a much more powerful version of her standard special move. The initial start up is the same as said move, with Lip sending lights up into the air, forming three to six blocks in the air, but then it turns into a single large block with the number 2 on it. Said number quickly goes up all the way to 8. Once 8 is reached, a little chime will play (Straight out of PdP) and one to three giant garbage blocks (depending on how many opponents are there) will show up over the enemies head’s and after a split second (where they can possibly roll out of the way) the blocks will come crashing straight down, causing high damage and knock back. The length of the blocks in question are about three times the length of the Kirby garbage block, though much much higher. After the initial contact with the ground, the blocks will remain there for a second, after which, they will poof out of existence.


Boy its been awhile since I've made a moveset. Takes a lot of time and effort though, and kind of pointless in the end though. :urg:
 

Clownbot

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Pieman: 0_o

Dude.... Awesome.

Zario, USG, Uber, Ricky, everyone who thinks Waluigi has a chance: He doesn't. You can still WANT him in SSB4, though. I WANT Ryu Hayabusa and Mewtwo in SSB4, but I still doubt them being in.

Fans can dream, but there's a difference between wanting and expecting a character.
 

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unless Waluigi gets his own game, or at least appear in an actual Mario game,he will never be above AT status. this is truth.
 

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I'll choose Waluigi over Wario Ware/Wario Land characters anyday

Waluigi's Moveset
A=Left Punch
AA=Right Punch
AAA=Kick
?T=Roundhouse Kick
?T=Upwards Punch
?T=Sweep Kick
?S=Power Stomp
?S=Fist Smash
?S=Breakdance
DashA=Skid Stop
Nair=Flip Kick
Fair=High Kick
Bair=Back Kick
Uair=Scissor Kick
Dair=Drill
B=Quintuple Stomp
?B=Bullet Bill Ride
?B=Air Swim
?B=Pirahna Plant
FS=Bob-Omb Balloon
Grab Hit=Slap
FThrow=Tennis Racket Smack
BThrow=Back Kick
?Throw=Waluigi Tornado
?Throw=Eggplant Slam
Sakurai said regardless of how popular Waluigi is, he doesn't have much of a role besides being a party game character. So he made him into an AT
 

Zario777

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Show me where Sakurai states that Waluigi needs his own game to get in.

Plus, Tingle is an Assist Trophy, and now he has his own game. So who says that there isn't a game for Waluigi in the near future?
 
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