[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[sundayseclipse]

......weird?

i think the new consel well let you put your music in the memory. you think so?

any way whats the biggest wtf character can you come up with

 

[majora_787]

......weird?

i think the new consel well let you put your music in the memory. you think so?

any way whats the biggest wtf character can you come up with

I don't know. Would it? It SOUNDS possible, seeing as how the next gen console is several years away...

And Minamimoto is deffinatly a WTF. Not a big one, but...he's something else, tis for sure.


Got some stuff. Music, and a video of Sho Minamimoto containing his mildly famous quote "So Zetta Slow".

GAME OVER http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjCXl9KdzOA
TWISTER http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0007Opolxs
3 MIN CLAPP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvcG6vEZCok
MINAMIMOTO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVTw0lTkqF0

 

[Fatmanonice]

I personally think it would be cool if you could customize movesets. From what I've been thinking about, the game could have a store where you could buy new special moves for characters. For example, maybe you could buy Ice Missles to replace Samus's regualr missles or change DK's standard B attack to the Coconut Gun. I think this would be good for competitive smash too because characters would have more options for matchups.

 

[Knyaguy]

I personally think it would be cool if you could customize movesets. From what I've been thinking about, the game could have a store where you could buy new special moves for characters. For example, maybe you could buy Ice Missles to replace Samus's regualr missles or change DK's standard B attack to the Coconut Gun. I think this would be good for competitive smash too because characters would have more options for matchups.

Agreed.

What of the pokemon trainer could change between the evolutions for each pokemon? Like instead of Squirtle, Ivysaur, Charizard you could change it to Wartortle, Venusaur, Charmander or Blastoise, Bulbasur, Charmelon.

 

[majora_787]

.......Forget I tried to make a subject. I guess. Oh wait, you already forgot.

Well, I guess exchangeable special moves would be cool...an ice missile or coconut gun sound amusing to use instead of the donkey paunch. Or the missiles.

I'd like to see the Crossbow replace Link's Bow. For a little change.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Customizable movesets could be fun, although i'm not completely sure if Nintendo makes it a good option. If there is a feature like that, here's something for PT: instead of making his Pokemon switch stage evolutions (that's just crazy, dude), how about customizable moves for the Pokemon or give him an option of six Pokemon, choosing up to three, and duking it out.

For Wario, you could have the option to replace his Chomp Special with a move that involves bringing his opponent's face right close to a certain body part of his that he sometimes shakes and then Wario would make a second-level Wario Waft on his opponent's face.

 

[franc0is]

Originally Posted by Fatmanonice
I personally think it would be cool if you could customize movesets. From what I've been thinking about, the game could have a store where you could buy new special moves for characters. For example, maybe you could buy Ice Missles to replace Samus's regualr missles or change DK's standard B attack to the Coconut Gun. I think this would be good for competitive smash too because characters would have more options for matchups.

Wow, that idea would be really cool, I would even like it to be a major change, something like:

Mario using some alternate moves from Mario Sunshine
Fox using his staff from star fox adventure
Samus changing suits (the classic set or the prime 2 ones)
Kirby starting with a certain power
Yoshi's colors giving different powers (like blue = float)
Ike using an axe (or even an other sword)

 

[majora_787]

Wow, that idea would be really cool, I would even like it to be a major change, something like:

Mario using some alternate moves from Mario Sunshine
Fox using his staff from star fox adventure
Samus changing suits (the classic set or the prime 2 ones)
Kirby starting with a certain power
Yoshi's colors giving different powers (like blue = float)
Ike using an axe (or even an other sword)

That sounds GREAT, but....does Yoshi need to float MORE? Honestly?

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Wow, that idea would be really cool, I would even like it to be a major change, something like:

Mario using some alternate moves from Mario Sunshine
Fox using his staff from star fox adventure
Samus changing suits (the classic set or the prime 2 ones)
Kirby starting with a certain power
Yoshi's colors giving different powers (like blue = float)
Ike using an axe (or even an other sword)

We could also have Snake (if he returns for Smash 4) use a variety of guns and possibly a close-range weapon (if he has one).

And what do we do for Meta-Knight about this feature?

 

[Katapultar]

It would be good if the game had more use for smash coins, becuase you don't get to use them much. You could buy items to use in a SSE kind of adventure mode, where you could use a taunt button and hold three items that can come down like in the Super Mario games.

Also, they could SSE like a RPG style game. The initial trophy stand sticker mechanic could be elavated to a new level. Allow me to explain:

The trophy stand thats in Brawl could be the smallest/ lowset level. Defeating enemies, doing great combos or reaching a certain location can earn you EXP. Or maybe for brawl, say it may sound silly but smash points. Getting a certain amount of points will level a certain characters trophy stand up and allow trophy stand to put more stickers on. And basically in SSE, say, a aura + sticker cannot overlap if you have 2, only the highest will work. In this RPG, that kind of stuff can overlap for max power!

Anyway, i think that they also need to put in more generic nintendo/sonic/MGS (Or other 3rd party characters) as regular enemies such as from melees adventure mode. They could have pokemon, re-deads, darknuts from Zelda. Space pirates (They should have been in the game instead of ROBs for enemies, so it can explain Meta Ridley more) they can also have kirby, sonic and many more nintendo enemies, subspace enemies and bosses like galleom and duon are not really cool. the game should advertise more powerful enemies, and make the bosses more epic, like in Kingdon Hearts II for those who know about the game. Smash is great for advertising certain games and stuff, so they can help that purpose by doing that. Where were the zelda and kirby bosses?

Also, take out masterpieces as well.

But the biggest thing should be to make the game futureproof by making it that you can download a character from the internet for say a special card from retail stores for some money. For a big game like smash, it could be a great way for nintendo to make some money. Otherwise it could cost like 1000 or 2000 wii points to download a character from wifi. So then people who say they wished that a character was in smash, their wish will come true and there can be a once a month vote on smash world forums to say which character is most wanted in the game so that nintendo and sakurai can do that.

These are my ideas for SSB4.

 

[sundayseclipse]

yah but when you get online it would be set to defualt, so dont get to attached . that might happen or it may not depening on how godo teh wifi is on the next consel

 

[Clownbot]

On the subject of custom movesets...

It sounds like an awesome idea, but a lot of people would probably be upset if it took away from the gameplay and such, like hitstun in Brawl. It might also cause a conundrum for tournament play-- could you customize your main's moveset, or would you have to use the set set (lol)?

Also, majora, you've made me interested in TWEWY. I might consider going out and buying it if I have enough money, maybe even making a MYM set or two.

 

[majora_787]

On the subject of custom movesets...

It sounds like an awesome idea, but a lot of people would probably be upset if it took away from the gameplay and such, like hitstun in Brawl. It might also cause a conundrum for tournament play-- could you customize your main's moveset, or would you have to use the set set (lol)?

Also, majora, you've made me interested in TWEWY. I might consider going out and buying it if I have enough money, maybe even making a MYM set or two.

Minamimoto is called by myself. Whenever I get around to it.

 

[Clownbot]

Minamimoto is called by myself. Whenever I get around to it.

lol.

Is there any possibility of a sequel that may ensure a TWEWY character's inclusion in SSB4?

 

[majora_787]

lol.

Is there any possibility of a sequel that may ensure a TWEWY character's inclusion in SSB4?

There MAY be, but I don't know. I mean, it's POSSIBLE, if they used different characters and a different city, but... I really can't tell from the ending.

 

[n88]

If I remember correctly, she gets the turquoise armour when you play certain characters, such as Yoshi will get another colour armour if he plays Luigi for example. Her actual armour is orange though.

I also don't think one piece of artwork showing Link without a sword means that Link will not have a sword. Maybe he put it down or something.

Ah. That'd be it. Thanks for clearing that up.

I believe the lack of a sword was stressed by NIntendo at E3, so it probably means something.

Customizable movesets - I wouldn't mind seeing some customization, but there would have to be balance to it. Maybe better moves could cost more points, and you would get a certain number of points for your moves?? Unsure.

 

[Pieman0920]

As far as my stance on customizable moves, I'd say that they should only really apply to specials, and that certain ideas thrown out by franc0is wouldn't fall under this, like the Yoshi color or Samus armor things. (Plus, Yoshi's colors are needed to be equal for obvious reasons)

Still, the idea is still viable in my mind. You could assign a character to a name that you pick out, and if you want Mario to have FLUDD for his down special you could have that, or you could make it his old spin attack. Additionally you could place any special to any specific direction, like say having Mario's fireball be his up special, and his jump punch be his neutral....though I'd have no idea why you would do that. In any case, it seems to me like one of the better ideas out there to push the special moves in a different direction, though I would be concerend that certain characters would probably have more alt-specials than others.

 

[Fatmanonice]

As far as my stance on customizable moves, I'd say that they should only really apply to specials, and that certain ideas thrown out by franc0is wouldn't fall under this, like the Yoshi color or Samus armor things. (Plus, Yoshi's colors are needed to be equal for obvious reasons)

Still, the idea is still viable in my mind. You could assign a character to a name that you pick out, and if you want Mario to have FLUDD for his down special you could have that, or you could make it his old spin attack. Additionally you could place any special to any specific direction, like say having Mario's fireball be his up special, and his jump punch be his neutral....though I'd have no idea why you would do that. In any case, it seems to me like one of the better ideas out there to push the special moves in a different direction, though I would be concerend that certain characters would probably have more alt-specials than others.

That's my thought too. Anything besides specials would make things too complicated. I was also thinking that every character would have at least two alternate specials.

Also, what do you guys think about an alternate texture mode? It's fairly simple so I imagine it would be an easy thing for the developers to add into the game so that way players wouldn't have to revert to hacking to do it. For those who don't know what I'm talking about, things like this:

 

[Clownbot]

Sounds alright. Perhaps something to that effect could be bought in a store, like Katapultar said, but not for the SSE, just fun.

I mean, now that you think about it, the possibilities with a store are endless-- music, textures, moves, items, maybe even a character or two.

 

[Fatmanonice]

It's funny, I remember how me and a lot of people used to toss around the "store" idea back on Nsider. I still like the idea. I remember another idea that we tossed around regarding this, being back to buy games. Brawl had masterpieces but, let's face it, it was one of the biggest disappointments of Brawl. The next console will no doubt have enough power to have enough memory for a good number of full games on a single disk and, if not, just include another disc they can be unlocked on. Seriously, Final Fantasy VII had three discs and that was 12 years ago (has it really been that long, God I feel old...) so I don't think it'd be that much of a problem.

 

[majora_787]

I always enjoyed the store idea, making coins in matches and then going to buy characters, stages, alt costumes, stickers, trophies--

Oh yes.

Hell, you could even buy the alternate special for each character. Ice missiles, 5000 coins.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

I always enjoyed the store idea, making coins in matches and then going to buy characters, stages, alt costumes, stickers, trophies--

Oh yes.

Hell, you could even buy the alternate special for each character. Ice missiles, 5000 coins.

Making ice missiles cost 500 coins would be a better idea.

 

[pacmansays]

I always enjoyed the store idea, making coins in matches and then going to buy characters, stages, alt costumes, stickers, trophies--

Oh yes.

Hell, you could even buy the alternate special for each character. Ice missiles, 5000 coins.

Perhaps not buying new characters as that might damage future installments of the game but I really like the idea of buying extra alt costumes and stages with coins...

 

[majora_787]

Perhaps not buying new characters as that might damage future installments of the game but I really like the idea of buying extra alt costumes and stages with coins...

Well, I guess characters would be in the heavy thousands...stages in the light thousands...and of course specials and alts in the heavy hundreds, with trophies stickers and items in the light hundreds.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

majora_787, the prices should be lower than that.

 

[n88]

majora_787, the prices should be lower than that.

The prices depend on how fast you earn coins. Imagine Coin Launcher whaen acquiring coins at the same rate you did in Melee. Instead of buying characters, you should be able to buy bonus characters. By bonus characters, I mean a bunch of Melee-esque clones. So you could buy charcaters like a Pichu, Dr. Mario, Young Link, Funky Kong.

 

[pacmansays]

Well, I guess characters would be in the heavy thousands...stages in the light thousands...and of course specials and alts in the heavy hundreds, with trophies stickers and items in the light hundreds.

See I don't want characters because I think for future installments we need to keep it limited

However, characters as assist trophies I think would be a great idea

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

We could also buy Pokeball Pokemon and stage builder parts. We could also buy alternate costumes for characters like Mario and Link.

 

[majora_787]

majora_787, the prices should be lower than that.

Even lower wouldn't be reasonable. Buying the characters for 7000 coins would be the EASY way, so why not make them cost a lot?

 

[Pieman0920]

I'm not sure where I stand on the whole store idea, but it shouldn't be used to unlock new Pokeballs or ATs. Those things are random as it is anyways. (Heck, even unlocking some, like in this game, is somewhat suspect in my own opinion, since it may take you forever to see what exactly you just unlocked)

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

If buying characters is a requirement for unlocking them, then make them low price. Or for an alternative, unlock characters by having them join your team in Adventure Mode (without the requirement of coins or defeating them first).

 

[n88]

Characters should be expensive if bought in a store. And the requirements in Brawls should be higher. 450 measly Brawls unlocked all characters in Brawl, compared to Melee's 1,000. I prefer Melee's system, as it actually makes you work for the characters. No, Jumpman, unlocking characters should be harder, not easier.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

How about this then: Making it so unlocking characters would be fair for both people who like difficult challenges and those who don't. You do realize little kids play these games, do you. And the best part of Smash is multi-player. With all stages, characters, and music unlocked, the real fun would be all set.

Do you want to move on to a different topic after you give your point?

 

[Starphoenix]

We have over 300 musical tracks in Brawl, how in the world are they gonna expand this in the next installment? The only tracks I know that would be guaranteed are Galaxy tracks, but how many songs would they cut if any? To be honest I think they dug themselves a ditch with My Music.

If they cut a bunch of tracks they will get tons of hatemail (as I will be one of them). If they keep all the tracks people will call them lazy. The more I think about it, the less likely a Smash Bros 4 truly seems, the better option would be a Brawl expansion in the future.

Think of it like this:

Nintendo stated that if Sakurai had not wanted to do Brawl, they had plans to remake Melee for the Wii with wifi. I say the same should be done with Brawl. Except add more characters, stages, music, better online structure, and maybe some sort of DLC in the future. The DLC could be trophies, stage builder sets, stickers, and original music (by that I mean non-remixed game tracks; ie Gerudo Desert - Twilight Princess).

IMO, this seems the more likely route. Brawl is almost perfect, the engine and character models are great as they are. There really isn't much more they can do to the formula short of making it a 3D fighter, which is a horrible idea. All a Smash 4 would be is an expansion in the end, more stuff same gameplay. Thats not a bad thing, but instead why don't we work off of a foundation and just build off it. I'll gladly pay for a Brawl expansion if it has more content.

The only Smash we are likely to see in the near future though is a Smash DS, which would more than likely be a remake of Smash 64 for the DS with some new content.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

If there's going to be a Smash DS, then it cannot be a remake, that's lazy. It should have most of its Brawl characters with a few characters being cut (and if you think I would want ICs cut, then just so you know, I've grown to tolerate the duo a bit), a few new characters (and I don't mean cut characters returning), no stickers, chronicles, or masterpieces, better wi-fi with variety, no random tripping, difficulty of that of Melee, more alternate costumes, removal of replay time limit, availability on DS Lite and the original DS, at least one new playable female fighter that is NOT a transformation (you know two who I want), cameo appearances for cut characters, Ganondorf with a new moveset that involves his sword, computer AI that is less cheap, make teams without color coded color schemes, the option to add friends to friend list without a friend code (like that of Metroid Prime: Hunters), Ridley playable, all fighters equally balanced, and whatever else I could think of later on.

 

[Tacel]

I really think that the chances of a Smash DS are very slim.
I mean, how can you do tilts?
And if they make a new Smash for the DS, it would have to be made fast (considering the DS being out for years and the popularity might go down a bit in the next couple of years), and that means that it wouldn't be a well made Smash game.
I think that the next Smash would be on the next console.

 

[Knyaguy]

I really think that the chances of a Smash DS are very slim.
I mean, how can you do tilts?
And if they make a new Smash for the DS, it would have to be made fast (considering the DS being out for years and the popularity might go down a bit in the next couple of years), and that means that it wouldn't be a well made Smash game. I think that the next Smash would be on the next console.

Agreed, With the next generation of completely new handhelds I predict a handheld Smash not these DS remakes.

What do you guys think about special abilities in the next smash? Like what they tried to do with flying.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

If characters in Smash 4 aren't balanced, then the least Nintendo could do is make Mario the strongest fighter in the game. And we all know why.

Also, gliding seems unbalanced, at least for Meta-Knight and Pit. Charizard could be fine with gliding, but is it okay for Charizard to keep its Rock Smash Special?

Also, character transformations should be executed by pressing the A, B, X, Y, R, and L buttons simultaneously, allowing for room for a down Special. Does that sound good?

 

[SymphonicSage12]

no mario, it doesnt. it how the hell do you press all those at the same time @_@ you must have big hands or weirdly shaped hands or something. @___@

 

[Clownbot]

no mario, it doesnt. it how the hell do you press all those at the same time @_@ you must have big hands or weirdly shaped hands or something. @___@

Funny comment that's not a joke is funny.

Unless, of course, you WERE joking, in which case, it isn't funny.>_>