[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[Mario the Jumpman]

Fine. For transformations, press the L and R buttons simultaneously. Pressing A, B, X, and Y will not be required. And I was not joking about my previous post. Does that sound good now, or does it need some reworking? And need I remind you that characters can have room for a Down Special if transformations go by my idea?

 

[SymphonicSage12]

clownbot, i wasn't joking. how the hell would you press a,b,x,y at the same time with one hand? btw i know you only would need to press l and r now. and yeah having room for a down special would be nice.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Yeah, and it could work for Samus as well!

 

[sundayseclipse]

sorry to be the barrer of bad news but, smash ds aint gonna happen. you gata wait for the crappy homebrew shet like rumble and clash =/

sakurai even said he didnt wanna get involved with touch generation.

 

[WolfCypher]

Why would a Smash DS game have to have Touch functionality? Mario Kart DS barely used the touch features.

 

[sundayseclipse]

Why would a Smash DS game have to have Touch functionality? Mario Kart DS barely used the touch features.

he ment touch generation system its an infamouse nickname in u.s.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

It doesn't have to be on DS. If Sakurai doesn't want to do Smash anymore, Nintendo should make him do Smash 4 against his own will.

 

[Clownbot]

sundayseclipse, could you give me a link to a legitimate source where Sakurai said that? Not that I don't trust you or anything, I'm just a little skeptic.

 

[n88]

I believe Sakurai has expressed interest in Smash on DS, not the other way around, and I think there's a better chance of it than most think there is. Doing Tilts and Smashes wouldn't be hard. They did it with the Wiimote sideways, there's no reason they couldn't do it with the DS.

The DS could easily handle a remake of the original. I believe the original woll be remade for DS because it hasn't been released for Virtual Console yet (In Amerca, at least) despite being one of the most requested games. I beleve this might be because they don't want to detract from a re-release on DS.

Of course, that could be very wrong, but I've got my figners crossed.

 

[Pieman0920]

Smash DS seems possble. It'd probably have around the same amount of characters as Melee, but with a few Brawl/new characters thrown in there, probably meaning some characters would have to be cut. Still as n88 said, if they can get the Wiimote to work with Brawl, they should be able to do the same with the DS. Of course I don't think the second screen would be implamented for much....maybe storing items or something.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

What release date do you guys think Smash DS would likely get?

Also, do any of you think Smash DS would get any third-party characters like Snake, Sonic, and Megaman?

 

[sundayseclipse]

It doesn't have to be on DS. If Sakurai doesn't want to do Smash anymore, Nintendo should make him do Smash 4 against his own will.

..... sakurai dousnt work for nintnendo dude thats why kirbys 2nd party now. sorta how bioware made sonic chronicles and team ninja made or making metroid other m

dont have link sorry =(

also how would we know the relese date of somthing that hasnt been done before or been announced........

eh theyll prbly get ds only 3rd party characters maby lol. mega man would be easer to be programmed for ds too. yah defenetly.

 

[Clownbot]

..... sakurai dousnt work for nintnendo dude thats why kirbys 2nd party now. sorta how bioware made sonic chronicles and team ninja made or making metroid other m

dont have link sorry =(

also how would we know the relese date of somthing that hasnt been done before or been announced........

eh theyll prbly get ds only 3rd party characters maby lol. mega man would be easer to be programmed for ds too. yah defenetly.

Kirby's always been 2nd party, if I'm not mistaken. His games are developed in part by Nintendo and HAL Laboratories.

If they made a DS Smash game, how many characters should we expect?

 

[sundayseclipse]

um at least 40 just fixing most of the madjor mistakes add a couple of new stuff have it interact with brawl a bit and stuff. just have it acceptable by fans so it can keep them busy till ssb4 comes out and when nintendo stops procastinating the start of it.

 

[Isidro25]

Every name on Brawl's credits is Japanese, except for some VAs and the people involved with localization. Darn. With a game that has worldwide appeal, I think having a worldwide variety on its staff could help a lot.

 

[sundayseclipse]

Every name on Brawl's credits is Japanese, except for some VAs and the people involved with localization. Darn. With a game that has worldwide appeal, I think having a worldwide variety on its staff could help a lot.

....thats how it is with most games made in japan dude.

 

[Isidro25]

....thats how it is with most games made in japan dude.

Oh, I realize that.
I'm just saying that, Smash being the ultimate Nintendo crossover, it wouldn't be bad to have some input from America/Europe into the game.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

For the amount of characters in Smash DS, I'm going to have to agree with Pieman0920. I believe Ike would be cut from Smash DS because a roster of about 25 characters (not counting transformations) needs only one Fire Emblem rep, and that is Marth (and the Smash series needs some feminine guys). I'm hoping one of the three Starfox characters from Brawl would be cut for the addition of a certain someone (and I hope that character doesn't end up as a clone, and you probably know who I'm talking about). It will have to be either Wolf or Falco. I'm hoping that Wario gets in, but I'm worried that he might not get into Smash DS. King Dedede might be cut as well, and probably so would Toon Link, Diddy Kong, Lucario, and possibly Lucas. I'm also hoping that neither Roy nor Pichu would return for Smash DS. If it requires cutting any of the "original twelve," so be it (and saying that a character should stay just because they appeared on the original Smash is plain lazy and uncreative, by the way).

 

[Isidro25]

^I would find it odd that they would cut Lucas, Wario or Toon Link, with them having more adventures on portable systems.

 

[Tacel]

For the amount of characters in Smash DS, I'm going to have to agree with Pieman0920. I believe Ike would be cut from Smash DS because a roster of about 25 characters (not counting transformations) needs only one Fire Emblem rep, and that is Marth (and the Smash series needs some feminine guys). I'm hoping one of the three Starfox characters from Brawl would be cut for the addition of a certain someone (and I hope that character doesn't end up as a clone, and you probably know who I'm talking about). It will have to be either Wolf or Falco. I'm hoping that Wario gets in, but I'm worried that he might not get into Smash DS. King Dedede might be cut as well, and probably so would Toon Link, Diddy Kong, Lucario, and possibly Lucas. I'm also hoping that neither Roy nor Pichu would return for Smash DS. If it requires cutting any of the "original twelve," so be it (and saying that a character should stay just because they appeared on the original Smash is plain lazy and uncreative, by the way).

^This is why they shouldn't make Smash 4 for the DS^

 

[Clownbot]

For the amount of characters in Smash DS, I'm going to have to agree with Pieman0920. I believe Ike would be cut from Smash DS because a roster of about 25 characters (not counting transformations) needs only one Fire Emblem rep, and that is Marth (and the Smash series needs some feminine guys). I'm hoping one of the three Starfox characters from Brawl would be cut for the addition of a certain someone (and I hope that character doesn't end up as a clone, and you probably know who I'm talking about). It will have to be either Wolf or Falco. I'm hoping that Wario gets in, but I'm worried that he might not get into Smash DS. King Dedede might be cut as well, and probably so would Toon Link, Diddy Kong, Lucario, and possibly Lucas. I'm also hoping that neither Roy nor Pichu would return for Smash DS. If it requires cutting any of the "original twelve," so be it (and saying that a character should stay just because they appeared on the original Smash is plain lazy and uncreative, by the way).

Going in order with what you said...

I don't mind if Ike is cut for a Smash DS, so long as he remains in the console-based Smashes.
If we're trying to cut back on characters, Star Fox shouldn't cut one of the older reps just to add Krystal in the DS game.
I don't understand why you question Wario's inclusion. Explain?
Meta Knight should get cut before Dedede, as he has less importance in the Kirby series.
I understand cutting TL, Diddy and Lucario, but I'm kind of iffy on Lucas.
Neither Roy nor Pichu will return for Smash DS, or the console-based Smashes either, probably.
I could see Ness or Jigglypuff not being included in Smash DS. If Ness were to get cut, Lucas should get in, or vice versa.

 

[Fatmanonice]

..... sakurai dousnt work for nintnendo dude thats why kirbys 2nd party now. sorta how bioware made sonic chronicles and team ninja made or making metroid other m

dont have link sorry =(

also how would we know the relese date of somthing that hasnt been done before or been announced........

eh theyll prbly get ds only 3rd party characters maby lol. mega man would be easer to be programmed for ds too. yah defenetly.

Kirby's always been second party because it's always been developed by Halken/Hal Laboratories. Also, Sakurai technically does work for Nintendo again because, as of March, SORA is a second party to Nintendo.

 

[Kholdstare]

A wild POKéMON appears!

/\/\/\ Ground Man /\/\/\​

Ground Man is a Robot Master from Mega Man and Bass. He was built by King to excavate ruins, but sometimes hoards treasure that he finds for his own personal collection without consulting his leader. He likes excavating with passion and only stops when ordered to do so. He's said to be the most powerful robot from King's army. Ground Man is a deep thinker, but hardly ever speaks and is very unsociable. His main weapon is Spread Drill, a drill-like missile that can separate into smaller drills.

/\/\/\ Stats /\/\/\​

Special Attacks

Neutral Special ▲ Bow
First Appearance: The Legend of Zelda

The bow is almost as synonymous with Link as the Master Sword itself. Appearing in almost every Zelda game, the bow functions as a standard long-ranged attack for Link, allowing him to hit enemies far away.

Link pulls out the bow, which is this time the Hero's Bow from Twilight Princess. The bow functions exactly like it does in Brawl, with one distinction: it now does double the knockback.​

Up Special ▲ Farore's Wind
First Appearance: The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time

Farore's Wind is a spell in Ocarina of Time that would return Link to a location in a dungeon whenever he wanted. You would first have to use the spell at the desired location, setting it up, and then use it again when you wanted to go back to the location. It was basically a teleport.

While Zelda uses an attack named Farore's Wind for her Up Special, Link's functions differently. Pressing the Up Special the first time will result in Link standing still as a green aura surrounds him. He will shout and hold his hands up in the air above him as a green orb of light appears there, floating indefinitely (meaning it will stay there until it is removed). This must be done on the ground. Doing this takes one whole second, and Link has super-armor during this move.

Using this move again, anywhere, will result in Link glowing bright green again and him teleporting to the orb. This takes half a second and Link has super-armor while he is green. While this is much better than his old recovery, it is obvious where Link will have to recover to, meaning the opponent can just wait at the orb and get a free Forward Smash in when Link comes out of the teleportation. Link uses up Farore's Wind every time he recovers, so he must summon another orb if he wants to recover again.​

Down Special ▲ Iron Boots
First Appearance: The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time

Iron Boots are an item found in three of the four 3D Zelda games. Although they do not seem like a very intuitive item, they have a variety of uses throughout the games. They can be equipped to make Link extremely heavy, enabling Link to walk along lake bottoms, force his way through tough wind currents, hurt enemies, and exclusively in Twilight Princess, walk along walls and ceilings using magnetic forces.

In Smash they function similarly. Pressing the Down Special will make Link pull out the Boots from hammerspace and put them on, taking half a second. Once Link has the boots on, he will weigh as much as Metal Brawl Link, meaning he takes next to no knockback except at absurd percentages. There is a terrible downside: his walk speed is slower than Ganondorf's, and he cannot jump. At all.​

Standard Attacks

Neutral Special ▲ Bow
First Appearance: The Legend of Zelda

Forward Special ▲ Hookshot
First Appearance: The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past

Up Special ▲ Hover Boots
First Appearance: The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time

Down Special ▲ Iron Boots
First Appearance: The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time



Standard Attack ▲ Sword Beam
First Appearance: The Legend of Zelda

Dash Attack ▲ Dash Attack
First Appearance: The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past



Forward Tilt ▲ Boomerang
First Appearance: The Legend of Zelda

Up Tilt ▲ Fire Rod
First Appearance: The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past

Down Tilt ▲ Bomb
First Appearance: The Legend of Zelda



Forward Smash ▲ Dual Strike
First Appearance: Super Smash Bros. Brawl

Up Smash ▲ Ball and Chain
First Appearance: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess

Down Smash ▲ Spin Attack
First Appearance: The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past

Neutral Aerial ▲ Jump Attack
First Appearance: The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time

Forward Aerial ▲ Ice Rod
First Appearance: The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past

Backward Aerial ▲ Switch Hook
First Appearance: The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages

Up Aerial ▲ Up Thrust
First Appearance: Zelda II: The Adventure of Link

Down Aerial ▲ Down Thrust
First Appearance: Zelda II: The Adventure of Link





Zelda: Twilight Princess Music - Opening Title
Ocarina Of Time - Music - Hyrule Field
Ocarina Of Time - Music - Ganon Battle
Legend Of Zelda 'Soul Calibur 2 Version'
Forest Temple
Stone Tower Temple

Neutral Special --- Hero's Bow
Forward Special --- Gale Boomerang
Down Special --- Bomb
Forward Tilt --- Fire Rod
Up Tilt --- Magnetic Gloves
Down Tilt --- Spin Attack
Forward Smash --- Cane of Somaria
Up Smash --- Ball and Chain
Forward Aerial --- Ice Rod
Backward Aerial --- Switch Hook
Grab --- Clawshot


Up Special --- Farore's Wind
Neutral Attack --- Sword Attack
Dash Attack --- Dash Attack
Down Smash --- Megaton Hammer
Neutral Aerial --- Jump Attack
Up Aerial --- Up Thrust
Down Aerial --- Down Thrust
Pummel --- Hilt Pummel
Forward Throw --- Ending Blow
Up Throw --- Cane of Pacci
Down Throw --- Deku Nut
Backward Throw --- Back Slice

 

[Johnknight1]

It doesn't have to be on DS. If Sakurai doesn't want to do Smash anymore, Nintendo should make him do Smash 4 against his own will.

Honestly I think the next smash should be headed by both Shigeru Miyamoto & Masahiro Sakurai. That'd just be epic.

Let's be honest. Shigeru Miyamoto is the greatest and most influential video game developer of all-time, and has no rival (other than his former mentor-the late, great Gunpei Yokoi). Not even Sakurai or Kojima can come close to his influence & inovation.

Spoiler

Donkey Kong. Super Mario Bros. Legend of Zelda. Mother. Super Mario Bros 3. F-Zero. Super Mario World. A Link to the Past. Super Mario 64. Star Fox 64. Ocarina of Time. Pikmin. Twilight Princess. Super Mario Galaxy. Errection.

Miyamoto contributed almost as much as Sakurai in smash 64. In Melee he contributed less, but his moveset contributions was still HUGE. In Brawl he virtually contributed nothing, which is why I think it lacked the "originality" of Melee & smash 64.

Still, Sakurai needs to have back, but he needs to completely reinvent the series. After 3 movies a series tends to get boring. Hell, look at Rocky. Rocky I was one of the greatest films ever made. Rocky II was an amazing film. Rocky III felt repetitive, but was still fairly good. Rocky IV...was boring. It felt old.

Spoiler

[I still to this day deny Rocky V's existance, although Rocky Balboa is an exellent film]

Still though, no Phantom Menace. Go more for Empire Strikes Back. Everyone loves that movie... >_>

 

[Clownbot]

What about Kecleon?

Why on earth has no one suggested this? Goodness, people, it was right under our noses the whole time! In fact, why wasn't Kecleon playable in Brawl? He had a ****load of credentials! He'd be the best character ever!

 

[Kholdstare]

Why on earth has no one suggested this? Goodness, people, it was right under our noses the whole time! In fact, why wasn't Kecleon playable in Brawl? He had a ****load of credentials! He'd be the best character ever!

 

[§leepy God]

♪ I thought Mudkip was more popular than Kecleon. Who knew. O_o †

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

The reason most people didn't choose Kecleon is that it isn't one of the over-used Pokemon of Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum. No offense, but I don't think Kecleon is strong enough. Try Gengar or Weavile or something.

About cuttig Wario, I would not want him cut, because he's so cool, that I could square-dance with him. The reason why I thought Wario would be cut from Smash DS is because I didn't think he was as important as Mario, Luigi, and Bowser. Just so we're clear, I want Wario!

And Wolf and Falco are clones of Fox. Krystal could use her staff (and I know she hasn't used it since Adventures, and I don't care). They should merge Falco and Wolf's moveset and give it to one of those two and cut the other to make room for Krystal, and just because a character has been around longer doesn't mean they're more important than most modern characters.

 

[Tacel]

Try Gengar or Weavile or something.

Or Gengar.

And Wolf and Falco are clones of Fox.

Ehem...

Run! Fly! Move boldly! For such moves are the essence of Fox!

Falco has the best initial jump of all the characters, and he likes shooting his Blaster as he leaps about.

Among the playable characters from the Star Fox universe featured in Brawl, Wolf weighs in as the biggest and heaviest

> Fox <
> Falco <
> Wolf <

Click them and read them Mario the Jumpman.
Compare them... contrast them...
Realize that they're different!

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Fox and Wolf have same Reflector, only they look different, Fox and Falco have same UP Special, Falco has best Landmaster, Fox's can't fly much (weak), Wolf's has only slightly more power but lasts too short, they play the same, there isn't enough stuff to make them completely different from each other. Krystal has her staff, which her moveset should revolve around. And no, TheAceLucario, I did not read those three links you posted, it's a waste of time, and most people say that the three Space Animals are too similar.

Do you want to stop talking about Starfox before this gets out of hand?

 

[Isidro25]

The Starfox trio is similar enough to be thought of as clones at first glance, but after further inspection you realize they have many, many subtle differences. And not so subtle as well. Specially when it comes to A moves, which make more than 70% of a character's moveset.

I'm all for making them more different, though.

Also, I wouldn't like any character to get cut in SSB4. No one. I think everyone in Brawl's roster deserves to be in.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

We're talking about Smash DS, not Smash 4. And it's plain lazy and uncreative to say that everyone on Brawl's roster should be in Smash 4/DS. There are characters who should be cut.

 

[Tacel]

And no, TheAceLucario, I did not read those three links you posted, it's a waste of time

You not reading my proof is like me not reading yours.
And saying it's waste of time is like me saying that reading what you type is a waste of time (and I'm not saying that it is. I usually read your posts).
It's very rude of you to say that my full explanation and proof is a waste of time.

We're talking about Smash DS, not Smash 4.

If there would be any Smash DS, it would be Smash 4.
Smash 5 wouldn't be on the DS, because if it's around 6 years until Smash 5, there would be a new hand-held for Nintendo, and the DS wouldn't be popular.
Also, you can't just make a Smash game in less than 2 years (which would probably be the length of time before a Smash DS, since the popularity of the DS would go down a bit in 3 years), because you have to make a well thought out storyline and new characters with unique movesets.

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I would bet you $500 dollars that a Smash DS wouldn't be made.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

To TheAceLucario: Well, I'm sorry, but I have a Player's Guide for Brawl, and a lot of people are saying that Falco and Wolf are Fox clones, at least in terms of fighting style, and I've already seen info about the three Starfox characters several months ago, so I'm sorry, but I've already seen that before.

 

[Isidro25]

And it's plain lazy and uncreative to say that everyone on Brawl's roster should be in Smash 4/DS. There are characters who should be cut.

That's an opinion, my friend.
I honestly don't see any character in Brawl whose inclusion wasn't justified.
The closest I can see to getting cut are Ike, Lucario, and maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe Toon Link if another incarnation of a younger Link appears before SSB4, which seems very unlikely as of now. And even in those cases, it would be because they MAY feel like substituting them with fresher faces, not because they actually deserve to be cut.
Hell, even some of Melee's cut characters could come back as alternate costumes.
Just my two cents.

 

[Kholdstare]

but what about Kecleon

 

[Tacel]

The closest I can see to getting cut are Ike, Lucario, and maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe Toon Link if another incarnation of a younger Link appears before SSB4, which seems very unlikely as of now.

I couldn't see Ike or Lucario being cut, because they aren't clones.

Ike is just an additional Fire Emblem character and Lucario...

I'm sorry, but Lucario is not a clone, people.

Just because Mewtwo got cut and Lucario was added doesn't mean that Lucario is a clone.
There are only 2 (I think) things that make them similar:
1. They are both Pokémon.
2. They both have a chargeable ball as their B attack.

Lucario was just added at the wrong place at the wrong time.
They could bring back Mewtwo and keep Lucario.

However, I can see Toon Link getting cut, but I think that if a Toon Link came back, he should have the Goron, Zora, and Deku Scrub masks, and should be like the Pokémon trainer, switching from mask to mask. His Final smash could be the Fierce Diety mask.

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I think Toon Link had the biggest chance of being cut,
Lucario the second biggest chance,
and Ike the rarest chance.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Isn't that what Young Link can do? If Toon Link gets in, that's fine with me if he has the four masks, even though he never did that in the games involving Toon Link.

 

[Isidro25]

I couldn't see Ike or Lucario being cut, because they aren't clones.

Ike is just an additional Fire Emblem character and Lucario...

I'm sorry, but Lucario is not a clone, people.

Just because Mewtwo got cut and Lucario was added doesn't mean that Lucario is a clone.
There are only 2 (I think) things that make them similar:
1. They are both Pokémon.
2. They both have a chargeable ball as their B attack.

Lucario was just added at the wrong place at the wrong time.
They could bring back Mewtwo and keep Lucario.

However, I can see Toon Link getting cut, but I think that if a Toon Link came back, he should have the Goron, Zora, and Deku Scrub masks, and should be like the Pokémon trainer, switching from mask to mask. His Final smash could be the Fierce Diety mask.

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I think Toon Link had the biggest change of being cut,
Lucario the second biggest chance,
and Ike the rarest chance.

Oh, TheAceLucario, I did state that, for me, Lucario and Ike were the most likely to be cut, but that's not because I consider them clones. It's because, by the time SSB4 comes, they MAY choose to take Lucario out in favor of a Gen 5 rep, or Ike out in favor of a new FE lord. Not because I consider them clones. Keep in mind that I wouldn't like either to get cut, and darn, if I was the one in charge, Mewtwo would still be in the game along with Lucario.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Kholdstare, if you checked one of my previous posts I posted on this page, then you know what I think about Kecleon.