[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[sundayseclipse]

the 12th movie is advertising tie remake of gold and silver with the johto starters(i hope you can go to the kanto reigon like the origonal game)

 

[Clownbot]

the 12th movie is advertising tie remake of gold and silver with the johto starters(i hope you can go to the kanto reigon like the origonal game)

I'd imagine you can.

Change from 1st to 2nd gen pokemon for Pokemon Trainer, anyone?

 

[GamenerdAdvance]

I doubt Sakurai does research considering the blatant inaccuracies in Smash, and I'm not talking just about movesets, but music titles and trophy info.

Because Sakurai made absolutely everything in the game, including programming the music names and trophy descriptions? Those 200+ other people who worked on Brawl couldn't have made any of those errors?

Oh, that clears up alot.

No, but in all seriousness, Sakurai does a whole lot more research than you or I or anybody else on this forum. You can bet that any inaccuracies in Smash are either made by worker monkeys lower down in the development chain (trophy description writers, trophy translators, etc.), or they're inaccurate for gameplay purposes (for example, Ness and Lucas have inaccurate movesets, for gameplay purposes as opposed to simple stupidity).

On another note, and I've brought this up before, does anybody think it'd be good if they allowed us to apply our own textures and music to custom stages? I know it's a relatively minor feature, but for me it'd expand replayability immensely. Look below:

It's not a perfect likeness in any way, but simply allowing us to texture stages ourselves would expand creativity in the Stage Builder tenfold - it's nice that I can just about recreate the SSB64 stage layouts in SSBB with the Stage Builder, but the atmosphere is missing. If there was a few more blocks available, and I could just port my own texures and music (but only for custom stages since people whine about custom music normally), I could create everything I want in the Stage Builder. Goldenrod City, Sky Sanctuary, Mushroom Kingdom III - they might be blurry and blocky but that's better than just looking like a bunch of old rocky platforms in front of a mountain range.

EDIT: Youtube Link - A better example of what a splash of textures and a new BGM can do for a custom stage

 

[n88]

Yes it would be cool to have more customizable stages. And I agree with your point that Sakurai is not the cause of every error in the entire game. Everything gets blamed on Sakurai, especially the Dark Samus trophy.

On customizable textures, who would like to see a custom re-colorer? They could keep it fairly simple by just labeling parts of the character 1, 2, or 3, then you would be able to set 1 areas to 1 color, 2 to another color, etc. It would provide for a little more variety in Textures without hacks.

 

[GamenerdAdvance]

Yes it would be cool to have more customizable stages. And I agree with your point that Sakurai is not the cause of every error in the entire game. Everything gets blamed on Sakurai, especially the Dark Samus trophy.

On customizable textures, who would like to see a custom re-colorer? They could keep it fairly simple by just labeling parts of the character 1, 2, or 3, then you would be able to set 1 areas to 1 color, 2 to another color, etc. It would provide for a little more variety in Textures without hacks.

I also had a similar character costume idea.

Basically, you'd have two main options - Main Colour, Secondary Colour, which can be customised. For example, changing Mario's main colour would change his shirt and hat, and his secondary colour would be dungarees. You could customise them using three colour sliders for Red, Green and Blue, meaning you can choose pretty much any colour in the spectrum rather than just choosing from a predefined set of colours. Aside from these two values, you can also change character specific features, like Sonic's Shoes and gloves. So if you want to have a green Sonic with orange shoes, black gloves/socks, and red stomach, you can go for it, although that'd look pretty hideous.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

To Clownbot: Changing the Pokemon Trainer's gen would be acceptable, since Red, Gold, and Lucas (Pokemon) look so similar. Though I would personally like to see Silver playable as a Pokemon Trainer.

 

[GamenerdAdvance]

Alternatively, they could just bring back Pichu, declone him and leave Pokemon Trainer the way he is.

Rep for both generations.

 

[n88]

Pichu returning takes a back seat to Mewtwo returning. Mewtwo is moer popular than the Pokemon series, while everybody hated Pichu.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Pichu is a character that I would like to see absent from future Smash games, whether or not he's decloned. We already have Pikachu, so I doubt we need Pichu.

And why do a lot of people hate Lucario so much?

 

[n88]

Nobody really should hate Lucario. Some people hate him because they think he replaced Mewtwo. Really, Mewtwo was slated to appear in Brawl alongside Lucario, but there wasn't enough time to put him in. Sakurai had to choose between Jigglypuff and Mewtwo, and he took Jiggly.

 

[GamenerdAdvance]

I'm not a particular fan on Pichu either, but given the announcement of HGSS, it seems more likely than you might think.

 

[Jimnymebob]

Nobody really should hate Lucario. Some people hate him because they think he replaced Mewtwo. Really, Mewtwo was slated to appear in Brawl alongside Lucario, but there wasn't enough time to put him in. Sakurai had to choose between Jigglypuff and Mewtwo, and he took Jiggly.

I dislike Lucario for the same reason I dislike Lumineon.

I do not like the Pokemon's design.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Does anybody think the Wario series needs more than one rep for Smash 4? If anybody is wondering who I would want as the Wario series second rep, then the answer is Kat & Ana.

 

[Big-Cat]

Does anybody think the Wario series needs more than one rep for Smash 4? If anybody is wondering who I would want as the Wario series second rep, then the answer is Kat & Ana.

I would say that the next Wario character should either be Mona or Captain Syrup.

 

[Pieman0920]

Wait, what was wrong with the Dark Samus trophy? I just read it, and there didn't seem to be anything majorly wrong about it (I remind you that Japan had only gotten MP2 at the time, and most of her attacks were derived from Samus' own, even ones she didn't technically have in that game, like that laser spread.)

Also as far as the Wario series goes, it seems that the big characters, at least if you go by that new Wario DIY game, are Mona, Jimmy T, Ashley, nd 9-Volt. Out of them, I'd say Mona is the most likely, but that's not really saying that much. Captain Syrup could be a possibililty, but given her role in her last game, I kind of doubt it.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Other than Wario, Kat & Ana are pretty much of the few Wario Ware characters who can fight. I would prefer the ninja kindergardeners as Wario series reps along with Wario (who, by the way is so cool, that I could square-dance with him). And what's wrong with Kat & Ana, anyway? Are they too young for your tastes?

 

[Big-Cat]

Wait, what was wrong with the Dark Samus trophy? I just read it, and there didn't seem to be anything majorly wrong about it (I remind you that Japan had only gotten MP2 at the time, and most of her attacks were derived from Samus' own, even ones she didn't technically have in that game, like that laser spread.)

If I recall correctly, the trophy stated that Dark Samus was identical to Samus in every way and that her origins were unknown. Both of these have been proven false even before Brawl came out.

I shouldn't have placed all the blame on Sakurai, but how can a Nintendo game featuring famous Nintendo characters mess up something like this? It's not like DS is the only one with a messed up description. Wolf is also said to have known Fox McCloud's father, but this has never been proven. Of course, this could be a storyline detail leaked for the next Starfox game.

 

[Pieman0920]

Neither I nor KumaOso said anything against Kat and Ana. While I can't speak for him, I just don't think they are as likely due to not being as important as others in the series. As far as being able to fight, it doesn't really matter that much for a WW character, as movesets could easily be derivied for them from their minigames, and in my opinion should. Even if Kat and Ana were in, it'd be dissapointing if all they used were sword moves, because that's not really what their games are about.

If I recall correctly, the trophy stated that Dark Samus was identical to Samus in every way and that her origins were unknown. Both of these have been proven false even before Brawl came out.

While identical in every way is hyperbole, they do share simmilar attacks and looks. The unknown origin is almost certainly there as spoiler warnings though, as the transformation from Metroid Prime to DS is only shown in the secret 100% ending, and I'm not sure if its explicitly implied anywhere else before the ending of Prime 2 that she's MP either.

 

[Big-Cat]

Other than Wario, Kat & Ana are pretty much of the few Wario Ware characters who can fight. I would prefer the ninja kindergardeners as Wario series reps along with Wario (who, by the way is so cool, that I could square-dance with him). And what's wrong with Kat & Ana, anyway? Are they too young for your tastes?

Nothing is wrong with Kat & Ana, but I feel Mona or Captain Syrup should get in before them.

Mona is the closest character in the Wario series to being a love interest. There was also a lot of support for her before Brawl came out. Captain Syrup is the only recurring villain/character in the Wario Land games. Also, Captain Syrup is the first Nintendo villainess to appear in more than one game.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

To Pieman0920: If it's disappointing for Kat & Ana to use just sword moves, can you come up with their Specials and Final Smash (cause all I could pretty much come up with is swords, ninja stars, and teleportation)?

And by the way, Captain Syrup was pretty much absent for like ten years until Wario Land: Shake It!. I don't really care too much for her, to be honest. If we're talking about video game villainesses and not just Nintendo ones, we have Gruntilda, she isn't like because of looks, she liked because of her power and her rhymes.

And I believe Kat & Ana have greater chances than Mona or Captain Syrup for getting in Smash 4's playable roster because they were Assist Trophies in Brawl, and they will most likely be promoted to playable characters.

 

[Clownbot]

Urgh.

Captain Syrup isn't just liked for her looks. She has significance in the Wario Land games. Retro characters didn't even reappear before being brought into Smash, but Captain Syrup has at least been in a newer game.
Also, this was brought up in an earlier argument a long time ago (before I even signed up, I think the person who said it was MasterWarlord)-- most of the Assist Trophies were probably decided early on in development to be Assist Trophies, which means most of them weren't considered as playable characters. Both Mona and Capt. Syrup are more significant than Kat & Ana, so they are more likely to get in.

 

[Jimnymebob]

Wait a minute, wasn't Ashley one of the most wanted characters before Brawl's release/leak?

Or at least, the most wanted Wario rep.

 

[Big-Cat]

Wait a minute, wasn't Ashley one of the most wanted characters before Brawl's release/leak?

Or at least, the most wanted Wario rep.

I don't think she was the most wanted. I think that honor went to Mona. Anyway, despite me supporting her in the past, I doubt she'll get in anytime soon.

 

[Pieman0920]

While I do agree that Mona (and maybe even Syrup) are more likely to get in than K&A, I don't think that Brawl's AT can be proof that someone won't be considered as a PC in the next game. Saki, Isaac, Mac, and Goroh all have their chances. If its true that all the characters save Sonic (and probably Toon Link, Wolf, and Jiggs) were decided in a day, then I'd think that the ATs just fell short at the time, and were probably decided afterwards.

Also for Jumpman, it'd be better if their normals were sword attacks, and their specials were Micro-game refferences, not the other way around. Seriously though, there are better characters to give a pottential katana based moveset.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Do these forums have any influence on the next Smash game?

 

[Big-Cat]

Do these forums have any influence on the next Smash game?

It it did, Ridley would've gotten in.

 

[majora_787]

Do these forums have any influence on the next Smash game?

Nope. Find one that's mostly Japanese smashers and they'd probably have more influence.

EDIT: Hell, even Dark Samus could have gotten in by now if we mattered.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

It it did, Ridley would've gotten in.

Ridley should definitely be in SSB4. drag0nscythe made a moveset and a size compatibility for the ferocious pteradactyl (thank you, drag0nscythe), so it's pointless to argue about his size. Sakurai should be reading this forum to perfect Smash 4, even if we have to make him do so, without him having any choice but to listen to America as well, not just Japan.

And which eleven characters would Japanese players want to debut for SSB4?

 

[majora_787]

Ridley should definitely be in SSB4. drag0nscythe made a moveset and a size compatibility for the ferocious pteradactyl (thank you, drag0nscythe), so it's pointless to argue about his size. Sakurai should be reading this forum to perfect Smash 4, even if we have to make him do so, without him having any choice but to listen to America as well, not just Japan.

And which eleven characters would Japanese players want for SSB4?

Don't ask that question, I don't want it answered. Please. o_o

But yeah anyway, we're not the ONLY country with ridiculous demands. He should listen to us too. We buy and play the game like everybody else. -_-

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

If the question you don't want answered is the one involving what Japanese players want, then I guess people shouldn't answer it.

By the way, why don't you want that question answered?

 

[n88]

Don't ask that question, I don't want it answered. Please. o_o

But yeah anyway, we're not the ONLY country with ridiculous demands. He should listen to us too. We buy and play the game more than everybody else. -_-

Fixed.


This is a little late, but on the trophy errors, Daisy's striker armor is the wrong color.


If we mattered, the roster would be twice the size of the current roster. Wario always bothered me, so I've only played a Wario game once. Can't say much for a new rep except that I don't think that there will be one. WarioWare/WarioLand characters aren't known very well, and Brawl certainly didn't help them.

 

[Jimnymebob]

This is a little late, but on the trophy errors, Daisy's striker armor is the wrong color.

Wait, isn't Daisy's armour orange on the trophy?
Isn't that right?

 

[n88]

In Strikers Charged, Daisy had Blue Armor, not Orange. At least, it was in my cousin's copy of the game. Although it seems that the armor was supposed to be Orange/Brown.... Either my memory is seriously ****ing up or something's wrong with my cousin's game.

 

[Pieman0920]

Just checked, and Daisy's sticker color is right. In both Strikers and Charged, she has organge armor in both official artworks.

 

[n88]

I'll assume I screwed up, but I'm gonna check next time I'm at my cousin's house. Anyway...

What do people think about this new, swordless Link, and what effect this would have on Smash? I wouldn't be surprised to see Link lose his sword after his Final Smash, making Link/Swordless Link a Samus/ZSS type character.

 

[Big-Cat]

I'll assume I screwed up, but I'm gonna check next time I'm at my cousin's house. Anyway...

What do people think about this new, swordless Link, and what effect this would have on Smash? I wouldn't be surprised to see Link lose his sword after his Final Smash, making Link/Swordless Link a Samus/ZSS type character.

There's been much speculation that the woman in the artwork is quite possibly an avatar for the Master Sword, so his Smash counterpart may not be greatly affected.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Here's a series that could have a rep for Smash 4 and it is both Japan-only and WTF: Famicom Tantei Club! I don't know much about it myself, though.

 

[n88]

Why do we want Japan-only characters? We've already got Ness and Lucas.

Maybe the woman on the poster is an avatar, but Link is using his left hand for the shield, meaning he doesn't plan on using a sword any time soon.

 

[Clownbot]

Why do we want Japan-only characters? We've already got Ness and Lucas.

Ness' game was released in America also, thank you very much.

One reason Japan-only characters get in is because Japan has more influence on the roster. If they stir up enough discussion by making into Smash, their game(s) might get an American release.

 

[Scott!]

Why do we want Japan-only characters? We've already got Ness and Lucas.

Maybe the woman on the poster is an avatar, but Link is using his left hand for the shield, meaning he doesn't plan on using a sword any time soon.

Not necessarily. In the Wii version of TP, Link was right-handed (oh the blasphemy, but that's how it was). In a Wii Zelda, where Motion+ is probably going to play a big part in gameplay, Link will probably be right-handed again to accommodate the majority of people. Thus, his empty hand is probably his sword hand. We'll see, though.