[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[Heartz♥]

I would predict a 2012-2013 release for SSB4

Awww, I would be dead from old age by then.

 

[n88]

Awww, I would be dead from old age by then.

Bad luck. Maybe there's Smash in the arterlife (If you're atheist hope for an earlier release).

On the Subject of Items/ATs:

- Roc's Feather/Cape - Gives the person who picks it up the ability to float and extends Peach's float.

- Penguin Suit - Dresses your character in a penguin suit, giving them superior traction and the ability to throw snowballs.

This is going back to character's/stages again, but what do people think about having a Paper Mario stage (maybe Flipside) on which all characters look like their paper counterparts. Well, the vast majority of characters would have to have paper versions made of them. II think this has more charm than adding Paper Mario, while still giving the Paper series some rep.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

There should be a stage in Smash 4 that involves fighting on top of a train for the majority of the battle (like Slash Beast's stage from Megaman X4,

Spoiler

there's also supposed to be a train battle (or at least a battle against a train) on Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story

).

 

[Clownbot]

Assist Trophies

The main partner of the next GS game, considering the protagonist gets in.
Proto Man if Mega Man gets in.
Give Sonic a new AT, or make Shadow do something more useful.
Depending on her role in the new game, the girl in the Zelda Wii concept art could be one.
Perhaps a new helper from the Kirby series.
Kamek.
Koopalings.
Rosalina.

That's all I got right now. I just woke up, so I may have forgotten some possibilities.

There should be a stage in Smash 4 that involves fighting on top of a train for the majority if the battle (like Slash Beast's stage from Megaman X4,

Spoiler

there's also supposed to be a train battle (or at least a battle against a train) on Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story

).

That would be EPIC.

 

[n88]

Unfortunately, Rosalina may become playable in the next Smash, depending on her role in Galaxy 2. It's still unlikely, but a 2nd game puts her in the running, still behind Bowser Jr., but ahead of characters like Waluigi and Birdo. Either way, Mario already has 3 ATs, while no other series has more than one. It needs no more.

I think that Sonic should get Knuckles or Tails as a new AT, as Shadow is an inferior version of an item.

Plus I want Nayru to take Shadow's effect, although she should also be able to speed up time and should last longer.

 

[Heartz♥]

(If you're atheist hope for an earlier release).

lmao. Hell hath no fury.

 

[n88]

What do people think about Trophies (not of the Assist variety)? Who should get a trophy that didn't have one in Brawl? Should the trophies have some practical application?

This is extremely ulikely, and would take forever to program, but I like the idea:

Working in a similar way to stickers, you could associate two trophies with a character before the battle. All trophies would have an AT effect (they wouldn't all necessarily have a different one. I could tolerate clones here). During the match, you could activate each trophy once. When activated, the trophy would perform its assist trophy effect, and would not be able to be activated again.

Again, highly improbable, but it would present a new spin on ATs and motivate you to collect trophies.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

What do people think about Trophies (not of the Assist variety)? Who should get a trophy that didn't have one in Brawl? Should the trophies have some practical application?

This is extremely ulikely, and would take forever to program, but I like the idea:

Working in a similar way to stickers, you could associate two trophies with a character before the battle. All trophies would have an AT effect (they wouldn't all necessarily have a different one. I could tolerate clones here). During the match, you could activate each trophy once. When activated, the trophy would perform its assist trophy effect, and would not be able to be activated again.

Again, highly improbable, but it would present a new spin on ATs and motivate you to collect trophies.

Great idea!

 

[lordvaati]

Tails can be an AT(he can save you from falling or give you an extra jump.)

 

[§leepy God]

What do people think about Trophies (not of the Assist variety)? Who should get a trophy that didn't have one in Brawl? Should the trophies have some practical application?

This is extremely ulikely, and would take forever to program, but I like the idea:

Working in a similar way to stickers, you could associate two trophies with a character before the battle. All trophies would have an AT effect (they wouldn't all necessarily have a different one. I could tolerate clones here). During the match, you could activate each trophy once. When activated, the trophy would perform its assist trophy effect, and would not be able to be activated again.

Again, highly improbable, but it would present a new spin on ATs and motivate you to collect trophies.

♪ That would be a gimmick that may break the game's balance and won't be played too often. This is a nice idea though, but as you said, it's highly improbable since most fighting games, (or Smash related games), don't really use ideas like this, maybe Jump SuperStar, I haven't really played that game. XD †

 

[n88]

There could be some balance issues but ideally, you would be able to turn it off like items, or even change the number of trophies you can assign. There are 544 trophies in Brawl. Even with that number, could you find a definitive best helper? It seems unlikely. With that many possibilities, there should be enough to prevent balance issues. I would use it frequently, if only to see what all the trophies did.

 

[Big-Cat]

What do people think about Trophies (not of the Assist variety)? Who should get a trophy that didn't have one in Brawl? Should the trophies have some practical application?

One thing that annoyed me in Brawl was that the trophies were predominantly ripped from GCN games. When you look at Brawl and Melee's list of trophies, you see that Melee had a more diverse selection. There were trophies from different time periods in Nintendo's history and some Japanese exclusives and obscurities.

For SSB4, I want to see a trophy list with the same diversity as Melee. However, there should be a limit on what trophies can and can't get in. Obviously, it was absurd that were so many trophies of Kirby's powerups, but there were barely any trophies for the retro games, MOTHER, and Wario at least.

Above all else, the trophies should at least cover the main characters from each series and the most prominent recurring characters and items. After that, it's pure judgment. Here's a sample of what I'd like to see.

Mario:
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Bowser Jr.
Waluigi
Daisy
Rosalina
Boo
Goomba
Birdo
Koopa
Koopa Paratroopa


Wario:
Wario
Captain Syrup
Wario-Man
Kat & Ana
Mona
Jimmy T.
Ashley & Red
Mike
Cryorg
Penny
Orbulon
9-Volt & 18-Volt

Zelda:
Link (Possibly every incarnation)
Zelda (see above)
Ganondorf (see above)
Toon Link
Vaati
Tingle
Each of the Six Sages

MOTHER:
Ninten
Anna
Lloyd
Teddy
EVE
Ness
Paula
Jeff
Poo
Lucas
Duster
Kumatora
Boney
Claus
Hinawa
Flint
Porky
Starman
Giygas

@The Sleepy One:
I love your Luka avy and sig.

 

[DekuBoy]

Good list Kuma, But I think 20 per series is enough.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Smash 4 should have one of the opponents from the Punch-Out!! games as one of the bosses. The best one I can think of is Aran Ryan (most of you might not know who he is, so you should go to Google Video and type in "Punch-Out!! Wii" and type in "Aran Ryan" in addition, that way you can see how he fights), due to him always bouncing around the battlefield. If anybody can come up with a better boss for repping Punch-Out!!, please let me know. Thank you!

 

[DekuBoy]

King Hippo. He has the size and strength to be a good boss. Also he's one of the most famous partially because of his role in Captain N. Also Aran Ryan is a disgrace to Ireland. He's sober.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

King Hippo. He has the size and strength to be a good boss. Also he's one of the most famous partially because of his role in Captain N. Also Aran Ryan is a disgrace to Ireland. He's sober.

I gotta hand it to you, DekuBoy; you came up with a better Punch-Out!! boss than I did. But you were calling Aran Ryan a disgrace to Ireland. I'm guessing you know about his character and personality, which might be why you called him a disgrace.

You know what would be funny? Putting in Glass Joe as a Smash 4 boss and making him difficult to beat.

By the way, not all bosses have to be gigantic in order to be good. Just look at Mingy Jongo from Banjo-Tooie. Gruntilda from Banjo-Kazooie (not Banjo-Tooie, since she just pilots the Hag-1 instead of fighting on her own).

 

[Big-Cat]

You know what would be funny? Putting in Glass Joe as a Smash 4 boss and making him difficult to beat.

That's like making Dan Hibiki god tier.

 

[Clownbot]

Maybe Glass Joe could be the Goldeen of Assist Trophies.

 

[Roy-Kun]

We got the Goldeen of the Assist Trophies already, right? Tingle, anyone?

Wait, sometimes he does something useful, right?

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

To Clownbot: Great idea!

To KumaOso: You said "That's like making Dan Hibiki god tier." Can you please explain and clarify? Thank you!

 

[Clownbot]

We got the Goldeen of the Assist Trophies already, right? Tingle, anyone?

Wait, sometimes he does something useful, right?

Well, sometimes he makes a ****load of powerful weapons appear, but other than that, yeah, he's pretty useless.

 

[§leepy God]

I love your Luka avy and sig.

♪ Thank you, I did needed to show the Vocaloid characters more love. Also still want Miku to sing in the next Smash Bros. Xp †

 

[Big-Cat]

To Clownbot: Great idea!

To KumaOso: You said "That's like making Dan Hibiki god tier." Can you please explain and clarify? Thank you!

This should explain everything:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Hibiki

His role in Street Fighter is essentially the same as Pichu's in Melee.

♪ Thank you, I did needed to show the Vocaloid characters more love. Also still want Miku to sing in the next Smash Bros. Xp †

Should her final smash be Miku Miku ni Shi te Ageru or Yukkuri Shi tteite Ne?

 

[DekuBoy]

As for bosses I want:

Mario: Petey Pirahna
King Boo

Zelda: King Bulbin
Bellum

Pokemon: Rayquaza
Giratina

Kirby: Dynablade
02

And then I got bored of making my list like that.

Also, Andross, Porky, King Hippo, Mother Brain, Kraid, Giygas, Metal Gear's REX and Ray, Dr Robotnik, the Condor from Ice Climber and the Game and Watch octopus. I had more but I've forgotten them.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Do you guys know who would both make a good Japan-Only and WTF character? Ouendan!

And The Sleepy One, who is Miku?

 

[sundayseclipse]

um reply to sakurai not knowing mike johnes.
sakurai douse reasearch, and star tropics is on wii ware(japan too)

now recent events

deku i higly doubt they'll use tthe same bosses over =/

 

[DekuBoy]

Why? They've already got the models and moves so it's always possible.

 

[sundayseclipse]

yah but.......just not wise to reuse them again in the same way

and oh yah to who ever said darkrai be a boss he could be like when lucario joined. u beat him up and have him join you.

and smash wont be ready till 2013-2016 assuming if sakurai directs and his curent project and how long he waits till he begins on it. all these are dependent vairables though, so anything can change

 

[Jimnymebob]

This should explain everything:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Hibiki

His role in Street Fighter is essentially the same as Pichu's in Melee.

Wait, wasn't Dan fairly high in the tier list for Street Fighter IV?

Do you guys know who would both make a good Japan-Only and WTF character? Ouendan!

I have said this numerous times, and heck- I'll say it again.
Ryūta Ippongi for SSB4!

 

[§leepy God]

Should her final smash be Miku Miku ni Shi te Ageru or Yukkuri Shi tteite Ne?

♪ Miku Miku ni Shi te Ageru for sure, it's both powerful and adorable. But then again, I love the look of her Yukkuri Shi tteite Ne and I love that song more as well. †

♪ A link for those who don't know what I'm we are talking about. †

♪ Miku Miku ni Shi te Ageru †

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wcNUlvR6fU

♪ Yukkuri Shi tteite Ne †

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k7ERlE96PA

Do you guys know who would both make a good Japan-Only and WTF character? Ouendan!

And The Sleepy One, who is Miku?

♪ Since Stafy has now moved to other countries I don't really know. But a WFT might be Captain Rainbow... wait, he's Japan only and he's a WTF, two birds with one stone. :D †

♪ And Miku is an godlike being with a godly voice that's in the Vocaloid series. †

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocaloid

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

I just googled vocaloids and saw their song on Google Video. I probably won't need an explaination other than about that Miku character.

 

[n88]

One thing that annoyed me in Brawl was that the trophies were predominantly ripped from GCN games. When you look at Brawl and Melee's list of trophies, you see that Melee had a more diverse selection. There were trophies from different time periods in Nintendo's history and some Japanese exclusives and obscurities.

For SSB4, I want to see a trophy list with the same diversity as Melee. However, there should be a limit on what trophies can and can't get in. Obviously, it was absurd that were so many trophies of Kirby's powerups, but there were barely any trophies for the retro games, MOTHER, and Wario at least.

Above all else, the trophies should at least cover the main characters from each series and the most prominent recurring characters and items. After that, it's pure judgment. Here's a sample of what I'd like to see.

Mario:
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Bowser Jr.
Waluigi
Daisy
Rosalina
Boo
Goomba
Birdo
Koopa
Koopa Paratroopa


Wario:
Wario
Captain Syrup
Wario-Man
Kat & Ana
Mona
Jimmy T.
Ashley & Red
Mike
Cryorg
Penny
Orbulon
9-Volt & 18-Volt

Zelda:
Link (Possibly every incarnation)
Zelda (see above)
Ganondorf (see above)
Toon Link
Vaati
Tingle
Each of the Six Sages

MOTHER:
Ninten
Anna
Lloyd
Teddy
EVE
Ness
Paula
Jeff
Poo
Lucas
Duster
Kumatora
Boney
Claus
Hinawa
Flint
Porky
Starman
Giygas

@The Sleepy One:
I love your Luka avy and sig.

Mother gatting more trophies than Mario isn't right. Admittedly, Mario has a smaller cast of characters, but Mario is Nintendo's main franchise and deserves recognition as such. Remember that trophies don't necessarily all have to be of characters. Also, I noticed you didn't list the ever-popular Dry Bones, or Petey Pirahna.

I don't know about Japanese reps, just because I don't. As for WTFs, I support Fawful. He probably doesn't deserve to get in, but he's better than that accursed naked puppet.

 

[DekuBoy]

I want Professor Layton.

 

[n88]

This thread is labeled SSB4 Discussion, not randomly spout ideas. Try discussing more.

That probably sounds ruder than I intended it, I just get tired of seeing people just post "I want ____" in the middle of an actual discussion/argument.

 

[sundayseclipse]

I want Professor Layton.

and i want professor vector from gyromite nes
-_- lol jk

You know what really grinds my gears, there were 20+ stages used in adventure mode, none of which were playable. -_- I would love the beggingn level stage. No interuptions and no curve to mess you up unlike final destination

 

[Big-Cat]

Wait, wasn't Dan fairly high in the tier list for Street Fighter IV?

Actually, Dan is bottom tier like always, but the game is very balanced such that a Dan can potentially beat top tier Sagat.

um reply to sakurai not knowing mike johnes.
sakurai douse reasearch, and star tropics is on wii ware(japan too)

now recent events

deku i higly doubt they'll use tthe same bosses over =/

I doubt Sakurai does research considering the blatant inaccuracies in Smash, and I'm not talking just about movesets, but music titles and trophy info.

Mother gatting more trophies than Mario isn't right. Admittedly, Mario has a smaller cast of characters, but Mario is Nintendo's main franchise and deserves recognition as such. Remember that trophies don't necessarily all have to be of characters. Also, I noticed you didn't list the ever-popular Dry Bones, or Petey Pirahna.

I don't know about Japanese reps, just because I don't. As for WTFs, I support Fawful. He probably doesn't deserve to get in, but he's better than that accursed naked puppet.

As I said in that post, it was only a sample of an ideal list. Naturally, Mario would get the most. I was just simply listing some right off of my head. Some other Mario ones would include power ups and a trophy for each of the spin-off sports games. Most Mario characters did not come to my head at the time of the post.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

DekuBoy, since you likely wanted Professor Layton as a playable character, do you have any ideas for his Specials and Final Smash?

 

[Clownbot]

Is Professor Layton a 2nd or 3rd Party character? I'm fairly certain he's not a full-fledged Nintendo character.

 

[SmashChu]

Is Professor Layton a 2nd or 3rd Party character? I'm fairly certain he's not a full-fledged Nintendo character.

Second party games and characters are still owned by Nintendo. Kirby is a second party game. Golden Sun is too. Layton is third party.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I would predict a 2012-2013 release for SSB4, so Darkrai might be long gone by then.

SSB4 probably won't even be announced until then because Sakurai said that the project that him and SORA are currently working on is scheduled to be released sometime in 2011. With that being said, 2014-2015 sounds about right.

Regarding Pokemon, the next generation will probably be announced at next year's E3 or "Space World" (AKA Nintendo's fall conference). This generation has had its three canon game (a pattern tracing back to the first generation) and the last major legandary pokemon (Arcesus) is getting a movie in Japan in about a month (yet another pattern tracing back to the first generation). With this being said, the 5th generation will easily be out by the next Smash game.