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[BKupa666]

What does this have to do with anything? There's been a K.Rool and Dixie Trophy in each game that had trophies. And while Dixie may not have been conisdered for Melee, she was for Brawl, which does point to her having priority over K.Rool who had none.



I wouldn't label the ATs like that at all. As Sakurai said, they were just characters who couldn't quite make it in, for whatever reason. (And the DK series probably didn't get one, for the same reason the Yoshi series didn't get one. They were both taken by the Mario series that got three)

And K. Rool clearly wasn't considered in any real sense, otherwise he would have had data like Dixie did. And your excuse for him not being a boss is pretty pathetic too. He's twice the size of DK normally, and it really wouldn't matter if he's small or not. Tabuu's pretty tiny at times, especially compared to Galleon.



A new game was released already, and it was Marth as the lord. Micaiah is different from the other two FE reps, and she has a high chance of making it in as long as there's no one who really replaces her. (And right now you can only speculate) And Micaiah would make a heck of a lot more sense than Lyn. (She's not another sword user, and is from the most recent games, isntead of one that was released awhile ago)



How did it hurt my credibility? You can't deny that K.Rool is basically a copy. And while Bowser was generic, he had character growth beyond that. Your examples of what K.Rool did are just the standard villain flair. And how is he considered a serious threat when he is beaten by gawking at a lady-ape, and then getting a hit by a boot? At there lows, Bowser steals a princess, and K.rool steals Bananas. At their high, Bowser destroys the universe, and K.Rool steals cosmic bananas. You really seem to be out of touch here.



DKC3 Was Dixie's Double Trouble.

Weren't you the one who advocated Black Shadow instead of Goroh, even though you knew he would be a clone? Dixie can easy be not a clone of Diddy just as easy as K.Rool may be a clone of Bowser. (K.Rool actually has used fire breath, and the side B and down B work for Rool. Just change the up B a bit and we are in business.) And as you should notice by Diddy's moveset, threre's no way he was meant to be a tag team...heck, the real planned new tag team was Plusle and Minnum. If Dixie was going to be in a tag team, the data would have shown it for her like it did those two. Dixie was considered before K.Rool, has been playable in nearly every game she's been in (and while you might want to argue that she only starred in one, you can't deny she didn't co-star in DKC2)

If DK and Yoshi didn't get one, why did Wario? DK is not part of the Mario Universe just because he appears in spin-offs with his series' characters.

Being considered as a character doesn't mean programmed. Ridley, Krystal, Bowser Jr., Isaac and all the other favorites might've been "considered" but not necessarily programmed.

So he's not a boss because that would be awkward. That's a perfect excuse. Ridley is one thing cause he's canonically big. So is K.Rool (bigger than DK), but seeing characters like Bowser (who's supposed to be huge) fighting a jumbo sized K.Rool would be completely awkward. The only way he would ever be even considered as a boss was if he grew like in Jungle Climber, or he was in a robot, like KAOS.

K.Rool is not a copy at all. Bowser is way more physical and humorous, while K.Rool fights with items and has never even considered helping the Kongs. Bowser's examples of character development include having a crush on Peach and joining Mario to save his reputation. K.Rool steals the bananas to take over the universe as well. K.Rool also kidnaps DK and Diddy.

So what if Diddy doesn't act like a team member. For all we know, they could've swapped via Down B. The banana move seems kind of slapped on as well. If one was out at the same time, they could have seperate data. She was added in DKC2 for the point of the story (a placeholder for DK while he was kidnapped by K.Rool). Why would they add a third monkey instead of the main villain? That's like adding Toad without Bowser.

 

[MasterWarlord]

In all honesty? Nothing. I wasn't the one who brought it up. It was pieman, claiming K. Rool was too generic. I was pointing out that his character is actually decently fleshed out for the few games he's been in, feeling rather insulted by the comparison to the mediocre Mario cartoon.

 

[Pieman0920]

Name a single one of moves Diddy has that Dixie couldn't use. No, really, a single one.

Neutral A combo where Diddy uses his tail. If you want to get into the specifics of abilities not normally used, then it increases, with the FS, Up B, Neutral B, ect. Think this type of thing through.

K. Rool hasn't had as many games to develop, that's why he's not on the level of depth that Bowser's in. Not his fault he hasn't been as many games as the main villlian of the most successful series of all time. Bowser is considered a joke, but K. Rool is indeed considered a serious threat. In the example you provided in DK64, all kongs were required to fight him, and they had to use trickey to finish him off with Candy Kong. Sorry, K. Rool actually is attracted to women too, and seeing how much Bowser kidnaps Peach I'd hardly say Bowser isn't either.

It is his fault, because if he was a better character, there'd be more demand for him. He destroyed the universe, and you conisder that a joke because Mario took him down by himself? The amount of people needed doesn't detract that K.Rool was acting like Apollo Creed, gawking at Candy in a comedic fashion (Even Bowser dosen't get destracted like that by Peach) and then getting shot with a boot by a ape in uniform. Now how in the world is that serious at all?

The Mario cartoon hurt you credibility because of it's terribly quality, that's like using Zelda CDI to say only Link can slay Ganon in a canon debate.

No, saying K.Rool was like the Bowser from the CDI games would be like that. And despite you thinking that it has terrible quality, it doesn't change the fact that K.Rool is just like Bowser in that.

So what if a FE game was released with Marth already? That's not stopping a FE12 or even a FE13 from coming out before SSB4.

We need FE11 first, GP.

And while that doesn't particularly stop a new FE game, who's to say it doesn't just use Tellius all over again?

Please direct me to anybody who was an assist trophy who really deserved to be in Brawl besides Isaac.

Ray, Little Mac, Goroh, Saki, Stafy, and even Tingle are all valid characters for the next game. And of course, Isaac.

If K. Rool were playable, he'd be Bowser's size. Wouldn't it be awkward seeing him as a gigantic boss in Brawl then later show up as a playable character in SSB4/5? Yes, he's going to show up -eventually-, you can't say that's not inevitable. Bowser is usually seen much, much larger then Mario, but when people think of him they think of his size in smash. The same goes for K. Rool for the most part. DK is hunched over in Donkey Kong Country which is why he appears so small. In reality, in the DKC games, K. Rool is about 1.5X as big as DK.

It wouldn't matter at all, sicne K.Rool wasn't considered to be playable in Brawl, let alone the next game. Tabuu is about the size of Bowser anyways, so again it doesn't matter at all. And DK is hunched down in the Smash games, to that's a invalid point. K.Rool is about as big to DK as Samus is to Ridley, and both since both are so close in size, it doesn't matter if they get scalled down somewhat.

 

[Pieman0920]

While I will respond to you right now Kupa, I probably won't reply again to you in order to not have to many fronts to keep up. Also, sorry for the double post. :O

If DK and Yoshi didn't get one, why did Wario? DK is not part of the Mario Universe just because he appears in spin-offs with his series' characters.

I don't know why the DK and Yoshi series had their ATs transfered to the Mario series, while the Wario series didn't have this treatment. And I wasn't arguing that the DK series wasn't its own, since its clear it is with that DK symbol.

Being considered as a character doesn't mean programmed. Ridley, Krystal, Bowser Jr., Isaac and all the other favorites might've been "considered" but not necessarily programmed.

Programmed though speaks louder than considered. I can speculate that Sakurai was thinking of how implement his cat into Brawl, and I'd have as much proof as any of the unprogrammed characters. The programming though means that they really were planned at some point and time, even if they didn't fan out.

[qupte]So he's not a boss because that would be awkward. That's a perfect excuse. Ridley is one thing cause he's canonically big. So is K.Rool (bigger than DK), but seeing characters like Bowser (who's supposed to be huge) fighting a jumbo sized K.Rool would be completely awkward. The only way he would ever be even considered as a boss was if he grew like in Jungle Climber, or he was in a robot, like KAOS.[/quote]

Bowser is larger than Ridley in most cases, and it didn't seem any different. Olimar is the size of a quarter and he's clearly not that size in Brawl. Sizes don't matter in the sligtest.

K.Rool is not a copy at all. Bowser is way more physical and humorous, while K.Rool fights with items and has never even considered helping the Kongs. Bowser's examples of character development include having a crush on Peach and joining Mario to save his reputation. K.Rool steals the bananas to take over the universe as well. K.Rool also kidnaps DK and Diddy.

K.Rool actually did get into Mario Sluggers, so he is helping out the Kongs now. Bowser steals princesses and tries to take over the unvierse. He also kidnapped Mario and Luigi, along with the things you said. Not counting anything else about his character, he's already beaten out K.Rool and then some.

So what if Diddy doesn't act like a team member. For all we know, they could've swapped via Down B. The banana move seems kind of slapped on as well. If one was out at the same time, they could have seperate data. She was added in DKC2 for the point of the story (a placeholder for DK while he was kidnapped by K.Rool). Why would they add a third monkey instead of the main villain? That's like adding Toad without Bowser.

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If they did swap via Down B, then there really would be a nearly complete working moveset in development for Dixie which would give her a much larger edge over K.Rool. And its more like adding Peach without Bowser. Still, even if you don't like the idea of having three heroes before the villain, its clearly what Sakurai was planning to do at one point, and never considered it any other way.

 

[MasterWarlord]

Neutral A combo where Diddy uses his tail. If you want to get into the specifics of abilities not normally used, then it increases, with the FS, Up B, Neutral B, ect. Think this type of thing through.

Dixie -could- use those attacks except maybe the AAA, it just wouldn't be in her character. Is it in Falco/Wolf's character to use landmasters? No, but it's not physically impossible for them to use them.

It is his fault, because if he was a better character, there'd be more demand for him. He destroyed the universe, and you conisder that a joke because Mario took him down by himself? The amount of people needed doesn't detract that K.Rool was acting like Apollo Creed, gawking at Candy in a comedic fashion (Even Bowser dosen't get destracted like that by Peach) and then getting shot with a boot by a ape in uniform. Now how in the world is that serious at all?

It isn't, it's a comedic scene. We're not talking about the scene, we're talking about K. Rool. Here you are, you've just defeated all your mortal enemies in a boxing match. World domination is yours! Now your arch rival's girlfriend is coming up to you, a great final blow to DK's pride. Of course you're going to take her up on the offer.

Speaking of DK64, if Dixie was so popular, why was a generic character with her abilities in the game to replace her in the form of Tiny Kong?

No, saying K.Rool was like the Bowser from the CDI games would be like that. And despite you thinking that it has terrible quality, it doesn't change the fact that K.Rool is just like Bowser in that.

In appearance, for the most part yes. But it's far more goofy and makes the Mario universe in the games actually seem believable with how crazy it is.

We need FE11 first, GP.

And while that doesn't particularly stop a new FE game, who's to say it doesn't just use Tellius all over again?

The story for tellius seems pretty much finished to me. FE is like final fantasy in that they don't stick with one of their worlds from their series for long. It's possible, but unlikely.

Ray, Little Mac, Goroh, Saki, Stafy, and even Tingle are all valid characters for the next game. And of course, Isaac.

Black Shadow being a clone is a good thing ONLY because he would inherit Ganondorf's moveset, allowing him to get his own moveset. Anyway, you know how I feel about Black Shadow vs Goroh.

Stafy games are Kirby games without the copy ability, and have far less games and are only in japan. The only reason anybody in America knows about him is because of the Wario cameo in it and his appearance as an assist trophy.

What makes you think Saki is likely.

I don't see Zelda getting a fifth rep due to lack of characters, so no Tingle.

Takamaru has priority over Little Mac, because he's popular in japan while LIttle Mac is popular in America. We all know that Japan > America to Nintendo.

Ray has a decent chance for SSB4, not so much Brawl IMO.

It wouldn't matter at all, sicne K.Rool wasn't considered to be playable in Brawl, let alone the next game. Tabuu is about the size of Bowser anyways, so again it doesn't matter at all. And DK is hunched down in the Smash games, to that's a invalid point. K.Rool is about as big to DK as Samus is to Ridley, and both since both are so close in size, it doesn't matter if they get scalled down somewhat.

 

[flyinfilipino]

Speaking of DK64, if Dixie was so popular, why was a generic character with her abilities in the game to replace her in the form of Tiny Kong?

You'd probably have to ask Rare about that.

 

[holysnap]

Umm shy guy needs to be in SBB4

He has to.

 

[SirKibble]

Lol, but he's already in Brawl.

Mario vs. Wario. vs. Fly Guy Trio vs. Support Ghost

See? Three-in-one Fly Guy character. Pure pwnage.

 

[Pieman0920]

Dixie -could- use those attacks except maybe the AAA, it just wouldn't be in her character. Is it in Falco/Wolf's character to use landmasters? No, but it's not physically impossible for them to use them.

Both Wolf and Falco can use Landmasters in Assault. It's not the same thing.

It isn't, it's a comedic scene. We're not talking about the scene, we're talking about K. Rool. Here you are, you've just defeated all your mortal enemies in a boxing match. World domination is yours! Now your arch rival's girlfriend is coming up to you, a great final blow to DK's pride. Of course you're going to take her up on the offer.

He was being beaten when that happened though, and he clearly wasn't thinking of it being a blow to DK's pride, since at the time he was about to attack Chunky. The scene was just there to make a fool of him, because that's what he is.

Speaking of DK64, if Dixie was so popular, why was a generic character with her abilities in the game to replace her in the form of Tiny Kong?

Don't know, but it didn't really last. Why was DK replaced for two of the DKC games? Why wasn't K.Rool in Jungle Beat, ect ect.

In appearance, for the most part yes. But it's far more goofy and makes the Mario universe in the games actually seem believable with how crazy it is.

Huh? This doesn't make sense. The Mario universe is the DK universe. Also in what capacity is K.Rool not like that cartoon Bowser?

Black Shadow being a clone is a good thing ONLY because he would inherit Ganondorf's moveset, allowing him to get his own moveset. Anyway, you know how I feel about Black Shadow vs Goroh.

I actually don't know your opinion. And Ganondorf can just get his own moveset you know wihtout needing to give it to someone else you know. (Also, you could just end up with three simmilar characters, like what happened wtih SF)

Stafy games are Kirby games without the copy ability, and have far less games and are only in japan. The only reason anybody in America knows about him is because of the Wario cameo in it and his appearance as an assist trophy.

You say Japan is what matters below. Also you've never played a Stafy game, have you....

What makes you think Saki is likely.

A good deal of newfound demand, though I admit he's probably the least likely of the group I picked out.

I don't see Zelda getting a fifth rep due to lack of characters, so no Tingle.

What you see doesn't mean anything. Tingle's got his own game now, and has appeared in nearly every Zelda game since he first showed up. While a good deal of people don't like him, Nintendo seems to love him a lot.

Takamaru has priority over Little Mac, because he's popular in japan while LIttle Mac is popular in America. We all know that Japan > America to Nintendo.

....Where did you even get that from? Takamaru isn't popular. Punch Out is remembered to this day, but not Takamaru's game. Heck, Punch out should have more priority because its international, and both Japanese and American players have played the game.

Ray has a decent chance for SSB4, not so much Brawl IMO.

Why not be in Brawl? It's not like any games have come out between now and then.

 

[MasterWarlord]

Both Wolf and Falco can use Landmasters in Assault. It's not the same thing..

They don't canonically use them, it's just a generic option to add onto them in multiplayer. In Mario Kart Double Dash, Bowser can use Wario's and DK's cars. Does that mean he would canonically use them? No.

He was being beaten when that happened though, and he clearly wasn't thinking of it being a blow to DK's pride, since at the time he was about to attack Chunky. The scene was just there to make a fool of him, because that's what he is. .

In any case, the scene isn't that important. Bowser is outright stupid if you play the various RPG games, while K. Rool is more busy sitting on his throne being appalled at the stupidity of others.

Don't know, but it didn't really last. Why was DK replaced for two of the DKC games? Why wasn't K.Rool in Jungle Beat, ect ect. .

K. Rool actually was in jungle beat more then any other DK character. He made a cameo in a mini-game, and no other DK character besides DK himself appeared outside of that cameo, IIRC.

Huh? This doesn't make sense. The Mario universe is the DK universe. Also in what capacity is K.Rool not like that cartoon Bowser?.

This isn't even really that important, so let's just drop the subject. I just consider it a large insult to the character.

I actually don't know your opinion. And Ganondorf can just get his own moveset you know wihtout needing to give it to someone else you know. (Also, you could just end up with three simmilar characters, like what happened wtih SF).

Black Shadow should be in so he can inherit Ganondorf's old moveset, as F-Zero isn't worth the time to pour an original moveset into, in a nut shell.

You say Japan is what matters below. Also you've never played a Stafy game, have you.....

No I haven't played one, have you? Sorry that I don't ilegally pirate games with ROMs.

What you see doesn't mean anything. Tingle's got his own game now, and has appeared in nearly every Zelda game since he first showed up. While a good deal of people don't like him, Nintendo seems to love him a lot..

Tingle is hated in America and europe, enough so that he was excluded from Twilight Princess. There's a reason his game didn't/almost didn't make it outside of japan.

....Where did you even get that from? Takamaru isn't popular. Punch Out is remembered to this day, but not Takamaru's game. Heck, Punch out should have more priority because its international, and both Japanese and American players have played the game. .

Takamaru is popular in Japan, not in America, but that's because it's a japan only game. In any case, let's just say Little Mac is likely in the vein of Pit, being a popular retro character, but could just be replaced by a random out of nowhere retro character like the Ice Climbers were.

Why not be in Brawl? It's not like any games have come out between now and then.

Because there were too many characters with more importance/popularity then him who had to make it in Brawl before him. SSB4, not nearly as bad of a case.

 

[Chief Mendez]

I don't want to be part of this uh, "debate", but I just wanted to say that arguing which villain is more "serious" is really quite silly.

They're both idiots. That has nothing to do with their positions in the Smash Bros. hierarchy.

 

[Pieman0920]

They don't canonically use them, it's just a generic option to add onto them in multiplayer. In Mario Kart Double Dash, Bowser can use Wario's and DK's cars. Does that mean he would canonically use them? No.

It's not the same thing though. You're saying Dixie would use equipment which she's never used in any way. Wolf and Falco have used them though, end of story. Its not a normal thing for them to do, but they have.

In any case, the scene isn't that important. Bowser is outright stupid if you play the various RPG games, while K. Rool is more busy sitting on his throne being appalled at the stupidity of others.

As Mendez said, they are both idiots. K.Rool isn't any different from Bowser. He puts up a front of being serious, but in the end isn't. Same goes for Bowser. (Even though Bowser has gone through whole games without being made a joke of, unlike K.Rool)

K. Rool actually was in jungle beat more then any other DK character. He made a cameo in a mini-game, and no other DK character besides DK himself appeared outside of that cameo, IIRC.

He didn't.

This isn't even really that important, so let's just drop the subject. I just consider it a large insult to the character.

How? They are virtually the same character. How can you like one, and hate the other? Really come up with something that proves they aren't just basically clones of each other but in different forms and settings.

Black Shadow should be in so he can inherit Ganondorf's old moveset, as F-Zero isn't worth the time to pour an original moveset into, in a nut shell.

Goroh has samurai and sumo moves that are fairly easy to make. Heck, they gave him moves already in Brawl. (Even if they were spazzy)

Also, hate to break it to ya, but Ganondorf is keeping that moveset, with like one or two moves changed.

No I haven't played one, have you? Sorry that I don't ilegally pirate games with ROMs.

Portable game sytems do not have region lock. Don't jump to conclusions. And even if you can't import it or anything like that, just watch a video of the game in motion.

Tingle is hated in America and europe, enough so that he was excluded from Twilight Princess. There's a reason his game didn't/almost didn't make it outside of japan.

He's not hated in Europe. They actually got his game. Also~

Takamaru is popular in Japan, not in America, but that's because it's a japan only game. In any case, let's just say Little Mac is likely in the vein of Pit, being a popular retro character, but could just be replaced by a random out of nowhere retro character like the Ice Climbers were.

Being a Japan only ame doesn't mean you'e popular in Japan. And as both Pit and the ICs are in.....what?

 

[SirKibble]

which villain is more "serious"

I think this is something we can all agree on...

Remember this?

C'mon, guys... YOU CANNOT GRASP THE TRUE FORM OF GIYGAS' SERIOUSNESS!

Oh, wait, scratch all that. I forgot, no jokes. This thread is sirius bizness...

 

[MasterWarlord]

I'm pretty sure K. Rool was the target in a whack a mole minigame in Jungle Beat, but I can't find you any proof, and there are hardly any screenshots of the game, much less a obscure mini-game. In any case, it's very obscure and none of the other kongs are in it, so let's move on.

Purlo was put in twilight princess to avoid putting in Tingle.

Anyway, let's look at how many games the characters were in:

Donkey Kong Country: DK, Diddy, K. Rool
DKC2: Diddy, Dixie, K. Rool
DKC3: Dixie, Kiddy, K. Rool
DK64: DK, Diddy, K. Rool
Diddy Kong Racing: Diddy
DK: King of Swing: Dk, Diddy, Dixie, K. Rool
DK Jungle Climber: DK, Diddy, K. Rool
Donkey Kong Jungle Beat: DK
Donkey Kong Barrel Blast: DK, Diddy, Dixie, K. Rool

The only DK games I omitted with any nobility at all were the Donkey Kongas, and I believe we can all agree those shouldn't be counted. In any case, out of all the characters, K. Rool is the only one with a perfect attendance record, ignoring jungle beat, and even then he has a cameo. Diddy Kong Racing isn't really a DK game, as no mentions of the titular character of the series are made at all, it's basically a generic racing game with Diddy and Banjo slapped on it to make it sell more (Conker at the time hadn't been in any games).

 

[Pieman0920]

He simply wasn't. If I recall what you're thinking of is either a mini game in one of the DKC GBA ports, or something to that effect.

It doesn't matter if you don't want to count the Donkey Kongas, they exist. Even so, he doesn't have perfect attendance records, even if you go by your list. Dixie was in the Diddy Kong remake, along with several other games that crossed over with Mario. (And as I've said, has been playable in every game she's ever showed up in, barring Smash) And do your research more. Banjo's first game came out in 98. Diddy Kong Racing came out in 97.

And if they wanted to avoid putting in Tingle, then they wouldn't have put in a character who looks just like him either.

EDIT: I'm wrong about him not being in Donkey Konga, but that was still a very minor role.

 

[ChronoBound]

And if they wanted to avoid putting in Tingle, then they wouldn't have put in a character who looks just like him either.

Tingle wasn't in at all in Phantom Hourglass either save for a picture of his head in the background to the bar on the island you start on in Phantom Hourglass.

However, Tingle has gotten two games of his own, if he continues to get games of his own, he can very well get in as being a part of his own series.

 

[MasterWarlord]

The only games that truly matter are the donkey kong countries and DK64. You strip those games away from Donkey Kong and nobody would give the franchise a second look. If you look at those four games, and you only count actually important roles, K. Rool's the only one with a perfect attendance record, which was my point, but I had to go afk.

I wasn't considered the Mario spin offs Donkey Kong games, hence why they wern't listed. K. Rool only recently showed up because he might overshadow Bowser as the main villian. Can you picture K. Rool being playable in Mario party while Bowser was still the villian? I know DK's been removed from playable status in the series (Idiotically) and no DK chars are in it, but that'll change soon with how much the kongs are showing up in Mario Spin Offs. It just kind of takes away Bowser's antagonistic glory when there's another final boss king alongside him.

 

[SmashChu]

Off topic but........
You guys should really support Starmen.net's newest cause. This may bring Mother 3 to the states.

Earthbound Siege

 

[Pieman0920]

Well that applies really towards my statement that he got into nearly every Zelda game since MM. (Though I wasn't really thinking of PH as the exception, but rather Link's Cross Bow Training, and his technical lack of a apperance in TP.)

I also wouldn't really count that Balloon Fight thing as really a game of his own, but I guess if there is a sequel to that rupee lang thing, he may indeed get his own symbol, since it seems you have to have at least over two games if you're a spin off.

EDIT: Oh man are you over inflating K.Rool. There will never EVER be a game with Bowser and K.Rool where the later will overshadow the former, nor will Rool ever be the final boss while Bowser is around. No even in a sports game.

Also, even if you don't like the DK games outside of DKC 1-3 and 64, it doesn't mean the series moves on. You're living in the past at this point.

 

[MasterWarlord]

It's not so much that Rool would "Overshadow" Bowser, but it's awkward for him to be playable when another villian at his status and more important/well known/popular (Bowser) is unplayable and in a boss like status. Can you really picture playing as K. Rool in a Mario Party game and landing on a Bowser space? That'd be. . .Awkward. Because Bowser's going to stay in his boss status, K. Rool can only be implemented as a boss for one board or something. Either that, or Bowser would have to become playable while K. Rool were the boss, just so the more important of the two were playable.

Appearances in Mario Spin offs really shouldn't mean anything, as Goombas are now playable in super sluggers.

 

[Chief Mendez]

I take serious offense to this:

The only games that truly matter are the donkey kong countries and DK64. You strip those games away from Donkey Kong and nobody would give the franchise a second look.

Personally, I really don't like any of those games.

Jungle Beat's my absolute favorite DK game of all time, and my third-favorite Gamecube game of all time. I'm also a huge fan of the physics-based King of Swing games. I may be in the minority here, but if I had my way, I'd love to see Sumo Kong or Cactus King in SSB4, rather than K. Rool.

Anyway...

The Earthbound siege isn't going to amount to anything. They've tried similar things several different times over the years, with zilch to show for it. I think I might have called in about that a few times, but...well, I've got better things to do.

 

[Pieman0920]

It's not so much that Rool would "Overshadow" Bowser, but it's awkward for him to be playable when another villian at his status and more important/well known/popular (Bowser) is unplayable and in a boss like status. Can you really picture playing as K. Rool in a Mario Party game and landing on a Bowser space? That'd be. . .Awkward. Because Bowser's going to stay in his boss status, K. Rool can only be implemented as a boss for one board or something. Either that, or Bowser would have to become playable while K. Rool were the boss, just so the more important of the two were playable.

Appearances in Mario Spin offs really shouldn't mean anything, as Goombas are now playable in super sluggers.

Well K.Rool is a team player at this point. Not a captain, but just someone you can put on the team. It seems tha this status has been moved down from big bad, to a level closer to Petey Pirahna or King Boo.... At least in Sluggers. I doubt he's going to come back in a spin off any time soon, but its likely that he will retain this status.


And what are you trying to say by "mean anything" exactly? Like its something important? Because those goombas got in before K.Rool in Superstar Baseball.

 

[Roihu]

What makes you think Saki is likely.

Takamaru has priority over Little Mac, because he's popular in japan while LIttle Mac is popular in America. We all know that Japan > America to Nintendo.

Ray has a decent chance for SSB4, not so much Brawl IMO.

Not really sure it counts for anything, but Sakurai said Saki fits in perfectly with all the Brawlers. Don't know if it means something or not.

Sonic was pretty much put in because of America, wasn't he?

And no other character has a chance to be in Brawl because IT'S ALREADY OUT.

 

[MasterWarlord]

K. Rool was never going to appear most likely in a Mario Spin off due to wanting to keep the worlds seperate, but when you have goombas playable there's only so many Mario characters left to add. DK is a part of the Mario universe, so it wasn't as much of a stretch to add other kongs. K. Rool is another story.

 

[flyinfilipino]

K. Rool was never going to appear most likely in a Mario Spin off due to wanting to keep the worlds seperate, but when you have goombas playable there's only so many Mario characters left to add. DK is a part of the Mario universe, so it wasn't as much of a stretch to add other kongs. K. Rool is another story.

Hm? Isn't K. Rool part of the DK universe too?

 

[Pieman0920]

The worlds were never seperate. As you said DK is part of the Mario universe, and thus, K.Rool, and since they were running out of characters, they ha to resort to him. =/

 

[Big-Cat]

If Megaman gets in, I hope that this song gets in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yppyMbdgydI
Urutoraman! Urotoraman Sebun!

 

[Finding Waldo]

I wish Lyn would be a playable. I played her game to death, but never got into the later Fire Emblems. The Soul Calibur 4 Tag Team style could be good, where there is a button to switch out.

I also am very much in agreement (I could not find the post) of the idea of having various gameplay styles in the midst of the Adventure Mode. I have been thinking on this since Melee's Adventure, and and concur that having a platform level, strategy, and possibly even puzzle, could make for a much greater adventure. Also, (because some characters simply could not perform the obstacles with their attributes), they could be character specific, such as a scene with Mario doing a platformer, while Marth does strategy. Hopefully SSB4 will come up with such a thing.

 

[Chief Mendez]

If Megaman gets in, I hope that this song gets in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yppyMbdgydI
Urutoraman! Urotoraman Sebun!

I agree, though the best Megaman song ever should probably be considered, first, amirite?

 

[ness4life]

Thank god for the change of subject! I was gonna die here with all of this K Rool debate!

Really, it doesn't matter what we yell about on this thread. Nothing we say is going to change what happens in SSB4 (unless someone gets put on the dev team), and everyone here already has a solid opinion about who they want in smash. So stop butting heads and stop using this thread as your own personal battleground!

Some of us actually want to bounce ideas off of each other in positive speculation!

 

[M-WUZ-H3R3]

i just hope they dont take away edge hogging by letting your opponent hold your feet as they dangle off the edge

 

[Roihu]

Before I was completely against Megaman being in SSB4. Now I'm sorta leaning toward him being in SSB4...
Now if only Bomberman could be in it, too.

 

[Big-Cat]

I agree, though the best Megaman song ever should probably be considered, first, amirite?

Does Hydain have some sort of thing for homosexuality? There's Crashman and then Barbaraccia being a lesbian for no apparent reason.

 

[MasterWarlord]

Anybody else is welcome to join in my "personnal battleground", it's not prohibited. Sorry that we're forced to only have one measly topic. With the amount of discussion this thread gets, it deserves it's own board. Why don't we have one? Being forced to one topic is ridiculous.

That said, I'm ready to drop the subject. I don't feel arguing with anybody who thinks Miciah more likely then K. Rool worth my time. Dixie was arguable, but we wern't really able to get anywhere. Mario spin offs mean nothing, or any similiar ones, mean nothing. The vast majority of people stopped caring about the series after DK64, and it's from those people that K. Rool gets his popularity.

I'm positive Dixie Kong alone wasn't listed on the poll, so believe what you want about Dixie still being in the coding. They started them out together probably and made a model for Dixie most likely, but then they realized putting Diddy as a tag team was an injustice to him. Seeing they didn't want to waste the Dixie model, they kept her there are a possible character to work on eventually, since some of the work was already done anyway, but never got around to it. To avoid fan speculation, they deleted her model before release, which is why the hackers were unable to find one. This is just all my speculation, but it's decently possible.

Although I still don't see how K. Rool can be generic when you have a character like Ice Climbers on the roster that you aren't against.

 

[flyinfilipino]

Being forced to one topic is ridiculous.

That said, I'm ready to drop the subject. I don't feel arguing with anybody who thinks Miciah more likely then K. Rool worth my time.

Although I still don't see how K. Rool can be generic when you have a character like Ice Climbers on the roster that you aren't against.

Well, it is an unconfirmed game (and it hasn't even been a year since Brawl was released)...you weren't around for pre-Brawl; there was an entire board for character speculation then (fun times).

Well excuuuuuuuse me, sorry that our speculation isn't good enough for you here.

I think that K. Rool is generic as a villain, not overall compared to other characters. Bowser has icon status, so he's got a little advantage there.

 

[GreenKirby]

K.Rool deserves to be in Brawl as much as Dedede, Ridley, and the rest of the villains.

He has a gun, he can use a copter to recover, he can use his crown weapon, he has a tail like most Smash characters, he can use boxing moves, shockwaves.

And unlike other Nintendo villains, K.Rool is insane. He has a multiple personality disorder (they are NOT his brothers)

 

[MasterWarlord]

You were around for my first post, actually, filipino, so, no, I wasn't around Smashboards. I come from gamefaqs, a land far, FAR worse then this. My post wasn't really directed at you, but mainly pieman. Sorry for any offense, but on the topic there's bound to be a lot of disagreement and debate. When someone goes too far, I just don't care, they're just simply lost.

 

[flyinfilipino]

You were around for my first post, actually, filipino, so, no, I wasn't around Smashboards. I come from gamefaqs, a land far, FAR worse then this. My post wasn't really directed at you, but mainly pieman. Sorry for any offense, but on the topic there's bound to be a lot of disagreement and debate. When someone goes too far, I just don't care, they're just simply lost.

Don't worry, you're relatively safe here.

I know that was directed as Pieman, but I see where he's coming from.

There's no reason to go too far on here; after all, none of our speculation really matters in the end (and it might even be harmful). It's just for fun and possibly to learn some things, so butting heads srsly over personal opinions is a little unnecessary. It's always good to point out mistakes though!

 

[ness4life]

Well, it is an unconfirmed game (and it hasn't even been a year since Brawl was released)...you weren't around for pre-Brawl; there was an entire board for character speculation then (fun times).

Well excuuuuuuuse me, sorry that our speculation isn't good enough for you here.

I think that K. Rool is generic as a villain, not overall compared to other characters. Bowser has icon status, so he's got a little advantage there.

Thanks for the backup.

Anyways, Warlord? If you want to argue about characters, then go to the character discussion board. Play nice, please.

 

[C.Olimar788]

You can't argue about characters not in Bralw in the character discussion board anymore, remember?

...I miss NSider. *sniff*