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da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
or a hyphen smash for that matter.
ZTD | TECHnology
Developing New TECHnology
Okay so I am a Snake main that has always had an interest in Sonic. He was my favorite video game icon growing up, and in Brawl I've always thought he had a lot of untapped potential. I think he may be beneficial because of the lack of Sonic knowledge but I think he'd be a lot of fun. I need to know from you guys whether you think it's worth it and what kind of road blocks I would face from attempting to use Sonic in a competitive scene?
Kinzer
Mammy
You are much better off using other characters that already have their metagame reached. Sonic is a difficult character use in competitive play simply because the players behind him still have much to learn; about themselves and learning how to control Sonic, and if you fall under that criteria you will have many problems using him until you can get rid of every fault in your gameplay. By then though, you'd be putting a better investment into a better character. Only reason I could see you using Sonic is if you really are serious when you say that he was/still is your favorite video game character, and/or you are interested in helping develop Sonic's metagame.
Kinzer
Mammy
Of course you're asking about legal stages, right?
Well, I don't see why Smashville can't be a good "time-out" stage.
Well, I don't see why Smashville can't be a good "time-out" stage.
WedginatorX
Smash Champion
Picto and YI. Just gain a lead, charge up iSDR, and wait for the ***** to approach you. If they don't know sonic they won't know what to do about iSDR. Thus they're ****ed 
I've only timed someone out intentionally once on smashville by just rolling under the stage all game. Whats good about it for timing people out? Its not really that special if you aren't Pit or Metaknight I'd think.
I thought even RC might be good (its pretty easy to camp the entire boat portion anyway) if I can play a good keep away game. You can hide offscreen at alot of odd times.
I thought even RC might be good (its pretty easy to camp the entire boat portion anyway) if I can play a good keep away game. You can hide offscreen at alot of odd times.
B.A.M.
Smash Lord
tipper dtilt>bdacus is a true combo if not close framewise at mid percents. ppl spaced at between sh and fh get owned by hyphen smash due to its weird hurtbox. it isnt the greatest move, but its not useless thats for sure. As KID said ftilt>bdacus good mid percents heck even full jab>bdacus mid-late is good because of the hitstun they are in.
So quick question; KID told me the other day we can ASC>footstool>ff any aerial. I was trying it out myself and it was working quite a bit however i wanted to get a conformation regarding if it works. Because i was also able to ASC>footstool>ff ASC> uair. It worked when i ff and started asc right as i would make contact with the opponent and release. I mean it makes sense to me that u should be able ff ASC if u can ff an aerial (granted the timing is tighter becuz the ASC has to be release at a strict timing otherwise its too slow). Can anyone verify this?
EDIT: I dont know why ppl are saying bdacus doesnt start up faster. 1) its buffered 2) this means usmash is being activated as we move toward our opponent, whereas hyphen smash we are running before the move is started up. Those two factors alone make it faster. Unless im missing something that seems pretty blatant to me...
So quick question; KID told me the other day we can ASC>footstool>ff any aerial. I was trying it out myself and it was working quite a bit however i wanted to get a conformation regarding if it works. Because i was also able to ASC>footstool>ff ASC> uair. It worked when i ff and started asc right as i would make contact with the opponent and release. I mean it makes sense to me that u should be able ff ASC if u can ff an aerial (granted the timing is tighter becuz the ASC has to be release at a strict timing otherwise its too slow). Can anyone verify this?
EDIT: I dont know why ppl are saying bdacus doesnt start up faster. 1) its buffered 2) this means usmash is being activated as we move toward our opponent, whereas hyphen smash we are running before the move is started up. Those two factors alone make it faster. Unless im missing something that seems pretty blatant to me...
SoupaSonic
Smash Journeyman
Ok I was wondering if anyone tries to do an ASC shield cancel on a downed opponent in order to bait them into standing up or doing a get up attack then grabbing them. If anyone does this, can you tell me how well it works on a competitive level? (I know a jab lock is another option, but I suck at jab locks )
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Kinzer
Mammy
Shouldn't work if they time it right. Get-up attacks have invincibility frames.
SoupaSonic
Smash Journeyman
oh, ok man thanks
Kinzer
Mammy
Of course though, you can take advantage of predicting their get-up attack, ASCSC just outside of attack range, and go from there. It all depends on what your opponent does in a given situation.
It all depends on what your opponent does in a given situation.ViCTORiOUSViC
Smash Apprentice
Can anyone tell me what's an effective strategy aganist Snake?
Life
Smash Hero
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=5753487#post5753487
Get him offstage and you win... if he uses the missile, it's your chance to approach... watch out for mines and grenades (try to use the latter against him, if you think you can)... grab release on cypher... maybe some other things.
Get him offstage and you win... if he uses the missile, it's your chance to approach... watch out for mines and grenades (try to use the latter against him, if you think you can)... grab release on cypher... maybe some other things.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
lawl.
More like get him offstage and you can juggle him to 150. at which point, he'll get back on stage and up tilt you at 100...
ViCTORiOUSViC
Smash Apprentice
I mean like, I got the offstage thing down, I just want to know how to get inside to do so
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
roll behind him or spotdodge the second f tilt. dont get jabbed. glide toss nades. ASC.
ViCTORiOUSViC
Smash Apprentice
Sounds like a challenge in a way
Thanks tho
Thanks tho
B.A.M.
Smash Lord
what snake are u playing where they do the second ftilt for no reason? get that ishh outta here. punish them when they pull a nade with fair ( doesnt explode the nade) or grab. then profit. they make it back. rinse and repeat. learn to space uair in this matchup. landing shff uair and punishing ADs resulting from it win this matchup. We can follow snake ANYWHERE. dont ever leave him alone. we should combo the legendary mercenary like a play toy.
This matchup is seriously even in my eyes. snake has no forward aerial to utilize and no dair to scare us with. in the air we outspeed him frontally and underneath we outrange. We can always land camp him with our speed. Uair stupid b-reversals. its a wrap. If ur not hitting snake at least 3 times after u land an initial attack. ur doing it wrong.
AND WE HAVE A FREAKIN KILL. Its called offstage> bair. u play this match like a campy *******; space urself mid range to punish anything he does. combo. reset. u win.
This matchup is seriously even in my eyes. snake has no forward aerial to utilize and no dair to scare us with. in the air we outspeed him frontally and underneath we outrange. We can always land camp him with our speed. Uair stupid b-reversals. its a wrap. If ur not hitting snake at least 3 times after u land an initial attack. ur doing it wrong.
AND WE HAVE A FREAKIN KILL. Its called offstage> bair. u play this match like a campy *******; space urself mid range to punish anything he does. combo. reset. u win.
ViCTORiOUSViC
Smash Apprentice
Ok got it, i will practice that when i get the chance
Jim Morrison
Smash Authority
Man your snakes must suck if you think you can just hit Snake and he just won't pull a Grenade to hit you both and then B-air you with a trollface.
Snake is Sonic's hardest matchup IMO.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
I mean, its wrong, but not SO wrong that you would need to laugh in his face... hes not that far off.
Trent
Smash Champion
MK, Wario, and Lucario are all worse than Snake.
Trent
Smash Champion
I forgot about Falco.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
First of all, based on definition, Metaknight is the easiest matchup in the top tier. since hes THE ONLY character in the top tier.HIGH
A
B
but ill ignore your blatent ignorance =P
just A tier in descending order from easiest to hardest for sonic to fight
Diddy
Marth
Falco
Snake
Wario
ICs
Including b tier
Game and Watch
Pikachu
Diddy
Marth
DDD
Olimar/Lucario/Falco
Snake
Wario
ICs
Needless to say, I disagree with your synopsis.
Trent
Smash Champion
I see it more as, from easiest to hardest:
Pikachu
Diddy
Game&Watch
Dedede
Olimar
ICs
Snake
Lucario
Falco
Wario
The only ones giving me trouble, being Lucario, Falco, Wario, and Diddy (Only because I still suck with nanners..)
Pikachu
Diddy
Game&Watch
Dedede
Olimar
ICs
Snake
Lucario
Falco
Wario
The only ones giving me trouble, being Lucario, Falco, Wario, and Diddy (Only because I still suck with nanners..)
Wow. And you say I'm ignorant.
ICs are definitely not our hardest matchup in A-tier.
We can throw incorrect lists (mine below included) around all day, but hell, I'll do it just for the sake of doing it. Same format as your silly list:
ICs
Wario
Snake
Diddy/Marth
Falco
Including B-Tier:
Mr. Game & Watch
Pikachu
King Dedede
ICs/Olimar
Wario
Snake
Diddy/Marth
Falco/Lucario.
Disagree, because you're going to, but I find it delicious that you think Wario is that hard.
ICs are definitely not our hardest matchup in A-tier.
We can throw incorrect lists (mine below included) around all day, but hell, I'll do it just for the sake of doing it. Same format as your silly list:
ICs
Wario
Snake
Diddy/Marth
Falco
Including B-Tier:
Mr. Game & Watch
Pikachu
King Dedede
ICs/Olimar
Wario
Snake
Diddy/Marth
Falco/Lucario.
Disagree, because you're going to, but I find it delicious that you think Wario is that hard.
Trent
Smash Champion
The only good Wario I've really fought is Malcom, and he makes the match up hell.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
lol. malcolm is a legit auto lose for any sonic in tourney.
maybe when a sonic even comes close to beating him in a tourney ill rethink the idea of wario not being that hard.
falco and marth really arent that hard, you just have to be patient.
maybe when a sonic even comes close to beating him in a tourney ill rethink the idea of wario not being that hard.
falco and marth really arent that hard, you just have to be patient.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
also, I only called you ignorant based on the fact that you used the term top tier while refering to a character not named MK, while being in the back room.
lol @ patience against wario.
play it slow and give him a chance to charge up his invincible move that can kill you at 80
i mean, you have to be patient at some points, but still the strategy hurts you as much as it helps you.
lol @ patience against wario.
play it slow and give him a chance to charge up his invincible move that can kill you at 80
i mean, you have to be patient at some points, but still the strategy hurts you as much as it helps you.
Trent
Smash Champion
Everyone really isn't that hard. Just have to be patient.
~TBS~
Smash Champion
Aww man, i missed it.
Oh well, you guys already know what i think of Sonic's MUs anyway. Or you should.
I have a question. Why is Malcolm auto-death? I know its somewhat obvious, but why? And other people too. Like X can never win vs Tearbear. Everytime they play, Tearbear always gets the upper hand. When you lose, it just means you were outplayed, right? Maybe you were too aggro? Predictable? I just dont understand it. Patience...i have patience but it has to be something else.
Oh well, you guys already know what i think of Sonic's MUs anyway. Or you should.
I have a question. Why is Malcolm auto-death? I know its somewhat obvious, but why? And other people too. Like X can never win vs Tearbear. Everytime they play, Tearbear always gets the upper hand. When you lose, it just means you were outplayed, right? Maybe you were too aggro? Predictable? I just dont understand it. Patience...i have patience but it has to be something else.