Official Smashboards Combo Video Competition

[Amorasaki]

It had to be limited to Melee and Brawl because we'd like to use the most compelling and exciting video to promote Smash (and get more people to play it competitively). Clips of the original aren't going to really inspire most gamers out there. It looks visually unappealing to anyone unfamiliar with the game, and might give the impression that hardcore smash is all about a game that few people outside the community play anymore. While Melee itself is fairly old, it's visually very similar to Brawl - it's more plausible as a game with a strong community.

It's harder to draw people in with the promise of playing such an obviously dated game that has a small competitive community. For example, there are people that still play Street Fighter 2 seriously, but that doesn't draw interest like Street Fighter 4 does these days. That's just how these things work.

As far as Brawl+ goes, I will try to have an answer by Wednesday. I wouldn't rule it out quite yet.

 

[Skrlx]

It had to be limited to Melee and Brawl because we'd like to use the most compelling and exciting video to promote Smash (and get more people to play it competitively). Clips of the original aren't going to really inspire most gamers out there. It looks visually unappealing to anyone unfamiliar with the game, and might give the impression that hardcore smash is all about a game that few people outside the community play anymore. While Melee itself is fairly old, it's visually very similar to Brawl - it's more plausible as a game with a strong community.

It's harder to draw people in with the promise of playing such an obviously dated game that has a small competitive community. For example, there are people that still play Street Fighter 2 seriously, but that doesn't draw interest like Street Fighter 4 does these days. That's just how these things work.

As far as Brawl+ goes, I will try to have an answer by Wednesday. I wouldn't rule it out quite yet.

I suggest you look at the forum you guys have that is only viewable by admins.
I have a thread detailing every step on helping the smash 64 community GROW.

 

[XquiZiTX8X]

If youtube mutes your video, just file a dispute saying you're protected under the "fair use law", and shazaam, your video will be put back with it's original audio. Works everytime.

 

[altairian]

sure ssb64 is the less played of the 3 games, but it's definitely not dead
god im tired of noobs like this guy who talk crap about classic smash

I actually love SSB64, it's the reason that I came back to smash years later. You are right that I haven't seen it's competitive scene. Why is that? Oh right, because it's extremely limited and not growing. Also, please learn the meaning of "essentially". I think Amorasaki pretty well summed up why SSB64 is no longer relevant to the current gaming world, no matter how much those that play it want it to be.

 

[MattNF]

I actually love SSB64, it's the reason that I came back to smash years later. You are right that I haven't seen it's competitive scene. Why is that? Oh right, because it's extremely limited and not growing. Also, please learn the meaning of "essentially". I think Amorasaki pretty well summed up why SSB64 is no longer relevant to the current gaming world, no matter how much those that play it want it to be.

Not growing? Uh... the online scene is larger now than it has ever been.

Really, you should stop trying to argue against things you clearly know nothing about.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

Any of you realize that without smash 64, melee and brawl wouldn't have been invented, *gasp* Smashboards wouldn't have been made?

You are right that I haven't seen it's competitive scene.

How do you judge something that you don't know about?

Oh right, because it's extremely limited and not growing.

We have more people playing n64 smash than we have ever had. Seriously, I have no clue what you are talking about. Also, how do you know this if you never have seen the competitive scene. I seriously doubt that you have ever even posted or looked at the n64 forum. Also, the word "limited" makes me laugh. It takes more tech skill in smash 64 than anything in brawl. We still have new techniques discovered every day. We even changed our tier list just a few weeks ago. If you really think smash 64 is limited, play smash 64 and try to drop cancel, teleport, Parry, or DJC.

I think Amorasaki pretty well summed up why SSB64 is no longer relevant to the current gaming world, no matter how much those that play it want it to be.

If games from long ago weren't relevant, then melee would not be played today (you know, the game is from 2001, way before barlw) and speedruns and walkthroughs of old games even before the n64 wouldn't be made. You sound like one of those people that only plays brawl since it is the new version of smash. Also, don't take this as brawl trolling, since I play brawl and melee competitive as well.

 

[MattNF]

I find it funny the tournament organizers aren't allowing SSB because it's not as large as Melee and Brawl. What the hell do you expect when you pretend it doesn't exist? I bet SSB would be much more popular if more people actually knew about it.

It's got elements of both Melee and Brawl: Epic combos and more offensively-oriented like Melee, but it has a more medium-paced gameplay like Brawl and character balance is also pretty similar to Brawl too (as in, there's one very good character, but the rest are fairly balanced).

KoRoBeNiKi also made a good point: Without SSB64, Melee/Brawl and consequently Smashboards would not even exist.

 

[Blue Yoshi]

I host tournaments for Vancouver Island that contain 64, melee, brawl, and brawl+. 64 is usually the most popular event, if not one of the most popular. And the more attendees that see smash 64 and try it out, the more that like it, and the more that continue to play it and go competitive in it. 64 is not dead by any means.

I find it funny how melee players say brawl has no combos... then say only melee and brawl combo vids are allowed in this competition. 64 has by far the most combos, but a game that apparently has no combos in it gets a spot in the combo competition while 64 does not.

And seeing as how most of the posts so far have been complaints as to why 64 is not in the competition... and you still say that the 64 scene is dead...

Wow... you guys contradict yourselves alot.

The 64 community has been asking for a long time to have it's own section in smashboards than just thrown under 'gaming'. Maybe if we had MORE EXPOSURE we might get more people. The smash 64 link is so small, in the same spot as a bunch of random games not even smash related. Maybe that could have a slight impact on why no one posts in the smash 64 forums... THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS.

 

[Nybb]

if you can host a smash 64 tourney and have more then 10 serious entrants in a populated area, it's not dead, alright?

it'd be like if nobody hosted brawl tournaments anymore but people said it was still alive because of wifi. lol.

Except that Brawl wi-fi is garbage. Lag and technical issues aside, the complete lack of any kind of player identification and having to enter huge friend codes to ensure you aren't playing against CPU's is pretty fail. 64 online is more playable and you can actually get some of the social aspect. And if you set up P2P, which is about the same amount of work as playing "With Friends" on Brawl, it's pretty much like playing on an actual N64.

And as for your first statement...the frequency of organized online 64 tourneys has been going up, actually. And my local area has had regular 64 events (yes, in RL) at a lot of our tourneys. We've had singles brackets of 8 - 12 fairly regularly. For comparison, our Brawl tourneys might get around 12 - 20.

The issue of not wanting to endorse ROMs is a semi-valid point; however, a lot of people who play 64 online own or have owned the actual cartridge, which makes playing the ROM perfectly legal. There is also the fact that Nintendo refuses to release 64 for VC in North America, so the gamers in that region have no other way to acquire the game...Nintendo could not possibly be losing any profit.

I suggest you look at the forum you guys have that is only viewable by admins.
I have a thread detailing every step on helping the smash 64 community GROW.

This is also a good point. More 64 exposure would undoubtedly help its community grow. As others have stated, the lack of exposure for 64 is what is keeping its growth rate limited. People come and see us playing 64 in our local group and make comments like "wow, this game has tilts?" "I didn't know you could grab the edge in 64" and things like that. People who think the game is just LOLCOMBOS should give it a try; it has just as much competitive merit as other Smash games.

I'm just going to state once again that I'm not in here to troll about Brawl or anything. I play all the Smash games, including B+, and enjoy all of them for different reasons. It just seems silly to completely exclude 64 in this video showcase.

 

[MarioReincarnate]

yeah "Gaming" is such a slap in the face

WHERES THE LOVE

 

[Amorasaki]

In the future we may hold a video competition open to n64 smash. I think it's a good idea, and I can understand where you all are coming from, but for this specific competition, the people at MLG want to see a melee/brawl vid.

 

[Lovage]

what's the point of putting brawl clips in this video
gonna make it really boring and dumb

 

[Zen Yore]

as I read and re-read this thread, I realize smash 64 really needs more exposure
i've played all the smash games competitively (including b+), and I liked them all, even Brawl. However, none of them surpassed my love for classic smash, and im sure HUNDREDS of brawl or melee players would love to play smash 64 if they could just discover it

smash 64 needs more exposure, u admins put it in "gaming" like if it was just an independant Nintendo game

i know ssb64 is the less played out of the games, but it deserves as much credit as ssbm and ssbb

the smash 64 community would grow really fast and people would get a lot more interested in playing it or simply watching it if it could at least have its own category and/or be included in threads such as this video competition

 

[Blue Yoshi]

I counted (excluding my post) 24 posts in favour of smash 64 in the competition out of 53 total (so basically almost half).

excluding SMASH 64 in a SMASH combo video... AND half the posts are trying to make this video accept 64... all I can say is fail.

In the future

Who knows if it will ever happen again.

we may hold a video competition open to n64 smash.

So... are we supposed to believe this? Saying may immediately makes me believe you are going to ban 64 at the next one as well. Either your choice of words were bad, and you are planning on including 64 in the next one, or your disguising of not including it is terrible, and I see right through it.

the people at MLG want to see a melee/brawl vid.

After what you've said so far, I have a very hard time believing they specifically said melee/brawl only. It seems at this point you're just looking for reasons to exclude smash 64.



Edit:

My question to you is if the smash 64 scene is completely dead, why is there such a huge response to there being no smash 64 allowed in the competition? Maybe this scene is nowhere near as dead as you think it is.

 

[SheerMadness]

Long visually appealing combos is what is going to attract non smashers the most. SSB64 easily has the most visually appealing combos. I don't see how brawl combo vids are going to impress anyone outside of smash lol.

One of the ssb64 players should make a vid with multiple ssb64/brawl combos right next to each other to demonstrate how much more visually appealing ssb64 combos are.

 

[asianaussie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWmw7FOf-n8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRIhwA0JWT0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-jZInBmNvo

Visually appealing? Hell yes.

 

[john!]

Yes, most of us know that Smash 64 has lots of 0-death combos. Yes, we are "exposed" to it. I think the reasons 64 isn't in this contest are:

- It's old. The graphics are significantly worse than Melee and Brawl.
- It's not as fast as Melee. The combos are longer because of the ridiculous hitstun.
- This is for newbies. They don't want to imagine themselves getting hopelessly comboed across the stage.
- The audience is smaller, because of both the age and the sales (Melee and Brawl outsold it by several million each).
- MLG makes no money off of online emulator play.

Yes Smash 64 is a great game with a great competitive scene, but it does not have the potential for MLG that Melee and Brawl do.

That being said, I will be very surprised if a Brawl video ends up winning...

 

[Darth Rancorous]

Well with no real combos in Brawl, I'm assuming that this would make more sense if it was just an SSBM combo video competition.

epic win

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtU1QEVTKyg
Get *****.....................

hardly any of those are real combos. u should check the thread in the 64 section that is strictly all about combo vids

if you can host a smash 64 tourney and have more then 10 serious entrants in a populated area, it's not dead, alright?

it'd be like if nobody hosted brawl tournaments anymore but people said it was still alive because of wifi. lol.

there was just a ssb64 tourney this past saturday. even tho i didnt go, im pretty sure there were atleast 10 very skillful players there

 

[Big Red]

Jesus people need to chill out.

If 64 players are trying to build up the scene like you say you are, this is not the way to go about it. You are just making yourselves look like jerks. I can understand why you'd be upset about this, but is it really that big of a deal? It's just one competition, no one is saying you can't make 64 videos or play that game, just for this competition they don't want 64 vids, not a big deal.

 

[JaimeHR]

So SSB64 is not allowed just because it won't make money for MLG?

 

[MattNF]

Oh, so this is all about money now? Looks like the new MLG admins no longer care about the games/fanbase. They just want to squeeze every penny out of Smashboards as they can.

Figures.

 

[Nybb]

Yes, most of us know that Smash 64 has lots of 0-death combos. Yes, we are "exposed" to it. I think the reasons 64 isn't in this contest are:

- It's old. The graphics are significantly worse than Melee and Brawl.
While I think the silly graphics add to its charm, this is valid.
- It's not as fast as Melee. The combos are longer because of the ridiculous hitstun.
...so where does that leave Brawl in your reasoning?
- This is for newbies. They don't want to imagine themselves getting hopelessly comboed across the stage.
That could go both ways. I think newbies should be imagining themselves hopelessly comboing others across the stage.
- The audience is smaller, because of both the age and the sales (Melee and Brawl outsold it by several million each).
While this is true, it is hardly a fair comparison. The Wii has sold over 50 million consoles, with the N64 selling about 30. And Melee was a launch title. But the real issue is, a big reason 64 has a smaller player base is due to its total lack of exposure.
- MLG makes no money off of online emulator play.
Wow, don't even go there.

Yes Smash 64 is a great game with a great competitive scene, but it does not have the potential for MLG that Melee and Brawl do.

That being said, I will be very surprised if a Brawl video ends up winning...

Too lazy to multiquote.

Jesus people need to chill out.

If 64 players are trying to build up the scene like you say you are, this is not the way to go about it. You are just making yourselves look like jerks. I can understand why you'd be upset about this, but is it really that big of a deal? It's just one competition, no one is saying you can't make 64 videos or play that game, just for this competition they don't want 64 vids, not a big deal.

While I would agree that some are making this out to be a slightly bigger issue than it should be, I think it is because the 64 community generally gets snubbed by the rest of the Smash community over and over again. And now that a big sponsored competition comes up that could showcase one of the strongest aspects of 64's competitive play, it gets snubbed once again. I do, however, think that calling MLG names because some random guy said 64 wouldn't be profitable for them is getting a bit ridiculous though.

 

[Xzax Kasrani]

People need to calm down. Getting stupid and annoying over this isn't right. People who care about this just make your videos and good luck to you, and if your not interested and you don't have anything smart to say, please stfu.

 

[Fireblaster]

People need to calm down. Getting stupid and annoying over this isn't right. People who care about this just make your videos and good luck to you, and if your not interested and you don't have anything smart to say, please stfu.

Ok, first of all, you know directly telling someone to calm down actually does the opposite effect that is intended right? The irony is that often times a person that was perfectly calm becomes raged when someone else keeps telling them to "calm down" or "chill".

Second of all, that's a horrible attempt at trying to shut 64 players up. "OMFG no one else cares about your game but go ahead and waste your time making a combo video that you can't submit anyways. Oh yeah and STFU"

That's always a great way to end disputes right? Trying to snuff out everyone's that trying to say something and then covering your ears going "LALALALALALALA"?

PS. Your "combo video" is garbage. Take the word "Combo" out of the title. Better yet rename it to "A player does better against another player"

 

[smashmachine]

People need to calm down. Getting stupid and annoying over this isn't right. People who care about this just make your videos and good luck to you, and if your not interested and you don't have anything smart to say, please stfu.

don't feed the troll
oh whoops...

 

[Lawrencelot]

It had to be limited to Melee and Brawl because we'd like to use the most compelling and exciting video to promote Smash (and get more people to play it competitively). Clips of the original aren't going to really inspire most gamers out there. It looks visually unappealing to anyone unfamiliar with the game, and might give the impression that hardcore smash is all about a game that few people outside the community play anymore. While Melee itself is fairly old, it's visually very similar to Brawl - it's more plausible as a game with a strong community.

It's harder to draw people in with the promise of playing such an obviously dated game that has a small competitive community. For example, there are people that still play Street Fighter 2 seriously, but that doesn't draw interest like Street Fighter 4 does these days. That's just how these things work.

In the future we may hold a video competition open to n64 smash. I think it's a good idea, and I can understand where you all are coming from, but for this specific competition, the people at MLG want to see a melee/brawl vid.

Once the submission deadline has passed, we will hold a public vote here on Smashboards to determine the top 5 videos. From the top five, Smashboards staff will choose a winner that we feel best represents Smash and its competitive community.

If all people at smashboards can vote, how does it matter which smash games MLG wants and doesn't want? I mean, a competition for only Melee or only Brawl would make sense, but these two games are so different that it doesn't make sense to allow both Melee and Brawl but not SSB. To me personally, SSB and Melee are more similar to each other than to Brawl, in terms of competitiveness, combos, style of play and personal fun (and release date). You think SSB should not represent Smash in general: if the voters (the smashboards community) agree with that there's no harm in allowing an SSB vid because it wouldn't win, if the community disagrees you should listen to them, that's what voting is for. My interpretation of "Smash and it's competitive community" is "the people that competitively play SSB64, Melee, and/or Brawl" (and probably Brawl+ but that's not my point)

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

- It's old. The graphics are significantly worse than Melee and Brawl.

. Just because a game is old doesn't mean its worse. Compare the halo series, Halo 1 is still considered the best one and how halo 2 is still overall more competitive. Or how melee is better than brawl even though Brawl graphics are better. Graphics make virtually no difference in fighting games. If graphics were all the rage, then The King of Fighters XII would be the tournament game. Oh Wait, it isn't, and that game was complete garbage (see how it has a 65 on game rankings).

- It's not as fast as Melee. The combos are longer because of the ridiculous hitstun.

Of course melee is quicker. But compare brawl. Is brawl quicker than smash 64? Is there anything in brawl that takes even slightly quick hand speed compared to melee or smash 64 outside of a few diddy techniques and a few falco techniques? There are things in smash 64 that take perfect frame by frame motion to get it right (Look up drop cancelling, Falcon dive cancelling and perfect DJC'ing/Reflector Cancels).
Also, oh yes, call it ridiculous hitstun. The only reason why people think smash 64 takes no skill is because the only video they have ever seen are Isai's videos where he 0 to deaths everyone.

- This is for newbies. They don't want to imagine themselves getting hopelessly comboed across the stage.

is there any difference between someone being comboed to 80 percent each stock, than being shine gimped in melee or chain throwed in brawl? Every game has something which will turn off non-competitive people. Stop trying to protect the masses. This is to promote smashboards, not to demote it.

- The audience is smaller, because of both the age and the sales (Melee and Brawl outsold it by several million each).

People buy games more often than they have ever had. Virtually everyone who owns a Wii has brawl and anyone who owns a gamecube has Melee. Also, last time I checked, an audience cannot be bigger if a game has not sold as much.

- MLG makes no money off of online emulator play.

Last time I checked, MLG has not sponsored any big offline smash tournament in quite a while. Its not like Evo runs Smashboards.

 

[Messatsu!]

. Just because a game is old doesn't mean its worse. Compare the halo series, Halo 1 is still considered the best one and how halo 2 is still overall more competitive. Or how melee is better than brawl even though Brawl graphics are better. Graphics make virtually no difference in fighting games. If graphics were all the rage, then The King of Fighters XII would be the tournament game. Oh Wait, it isn't, and that game was complete garbage (see how it has a 65 on game rankings).

Your Halo opinion is terrible, wrong, and does not serve a point at all. Halo 1 is not considered the best one, that is your opinion or the opinion of few people who never adapted to h2 or h3. How can you support that claim? As far as Halo 2 being more 'competitive', that is laughable as well. Halo 3 is a slower paced game with larger maps and longer games, which could be seen as taking more skill to control for longer periods of time (more 'competitive'). Halo 2 was extremely basic as far as set ups and rush tactics. Numbers do not lie, Halo 3 is destroying anything and everything that H1 and H2 were by fanbase alone. MLGs are larger and more extravagant than ever. It is because it new, more popular, and probably a better game in general as far as FPS on console goes.

HD Remix is now taking over ST tournaments nationwide even though the gameplay is not as perfect as ST was. Face it, graphics, 'newness' and fanbase have a lot to do with a games success, whether it be combo vid or professional competition.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

Your Halo opinion is terrible, wrong, and does not serve a point at all. Halo 1 is not considered the best one, that is your opinion or the opinion of few people who never adapted to h2 or h3. How can you support that claim? As far as Halo 2 being more 'competitive', that is laughable as well. Halo 3 is a slower paced game with larger maps and longer games, which could be seen as taking more skill to control for longer periods of time (more 'competitive'). Halo 2 was extremely basic as far as set ups and rush tactics. Numbers do not lie, Halo 3 is destroying anything and everything that H1 and H2 were by fanbase alone. MLGs are larger and more extravagant than ever. It is because it new, more popular, and probably a better game in general as far as FPS on console goes.

HD Remix is now taking over ST tournaments nationwide even though the gameplay is not as perfect as ST was. Face it, graphics, 'newness' and fanbase have a lot to do with a games success, whether it be combo vid or professional competition.

Ok, disregard my halo point. What about any of the other points? I was just bringing up the simple fact that graphics don't always make a game. Brawl is more popular than melee since its more casual. Brawl is more popular since it has wifi. Brawl is just more popular since its a new game. Why are a lot of people just sticking to melee if it is going to be an 8 year old game in the next few months?

 

[MarioReincarnate]

honestly guys, this is what shouldve happened:

1. smash64 should have been allowed
2. the people who don't want to get in trouble/want to make more money/who control the prize would just fix it so a smash64 vid didn't win
3. smash64 would get (some of) its DESERVED respect, and the community wouldn't have felt overlooked AGAIN
4. all this raging would have been left for a post-competition thread where arguments like "this vid should have won" would be located, which undoubtedly will happen anyway

so i vote fail... is it really that hard to run a website?

 

[Messatsu!]

Ok, disregard my halo point. What about any of the other points? I was just bringing up the simple fact that graphics don't always make a game. Brawl is more popular than melee since its more casual. Brawl is more popular since it has wifi. Brawl is just more popular since its a new game. Why are a lot of people just sticking to melee if it is going to be an 8 year old game in the next few months?

disregarded. i agree with your viewpoints, though the reason behind ssb64 being disregarded for this particular combo video showcase is irrefutable. i would like to see a combo vid comp for 64 in a other time (although it probably won't happen) but in this case i understand why they want melee or brawl for this particular case. mlg is all about flashy fanboys now, not old school hard knocks like you ;]

 

[Zen Yore]

mlg is all about flashy fanboys now, not old school hard knocks like you ;]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FJyKRfxHz8&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div

Don't underestimate the speed of smash 64


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Also, the 64 community is alot more pissed off because they were ignored (once again) and not because they dont have any chances to win the competition

 

[MLG_JV]

Rule disagreement

Wow this is hilarious.

SSB64 is the ultimate comboing smash game... Why would it be rejected????? While Brawl is far from being a good comboing smash game. If Brawl is accepted, you should really add ssb64 and brawl+

I'm astonished about the SWF hate @ the original SSB 64



yawn

I actually love 64. The reason for the lack of 64 inclusion is I wanted something we could show to editors, media, and corporate people to really show off our community. And the problem is the game graphically looks too dated (whereas Melee/Brawl look somewhat similar) to give the right impression.

And the same issue stands (albeit not graphics) for brawl+. To include it opens a whole can of worms dealing with some of the people id like to potentially show the video off to.

That said it would be really cool to see some 64/brawl+ videos. I planned on doing some other contest in the future and we could certainly include them then. Another option if you guys are interested would be to allow both games with the stipulation that the community could select your video as top 5 and you could win premium but for the reasons described above you would not be selected as the winner. Because there will only be 5 slots we would have to limit it to one 64, and one Brawl+ included video submission maximum in the top 5. But if you guys are still pumped to do a submission even with the cant win 1st place stipulation im all for it.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

I actually love 64. The reason for the lack of 64 inclusion is I wanted something we could show to editors, media, and corporate people to really show off our community. And the problem is the game graphically looks too dated (whereas Melee/Brawl look somewhat similar) to give the right impression.

And the same issue stands (albeit not graphics) for brawl+. To include it opens a whole can of worms dealing with some of the people id like to potentially show the video off to.

That said it would be really cool to see some 64/brawl+ videos. I planned on doing some other contest in the future and we could certainly include them then. Another option if you guys are interested would be to allow both games with the stipulation that the community could select your video as top 5 and you could win premium but for the reasons described above you would not be selected as the winner. Because there will only be 5 slots we would have to limit it to one 64, and one Brawl+ included video submission maximum in the top 5. But if you guys are still pumped to do a submission even with the cant win 1st place stipulation im all for it.

It does not matter to me whether smash 64 can't win the first place prize. As long as it is acknowledged, I will be happy with that.

Besides the point, I'll be voting for a melee vid, aka Axe's Pikachu combo video anyway

Also, by the way. Is there a reason why smash 64 is put in the gaming forum?

 

[Blue Yoshi]

So... are you specifically removing smash 64 from the competition, or do you want specifically melee/brawl in the competition? (there is a difference):

Is it alright if we submit a combo video that includes all three games... 64, melee and brawl (and maybe brawl+)? You've got melee and brawl there, and with 64 on the side. I see no reason why this would be not allowed...

 

[NixxxoN]

I actually love 64. The reason for the lack of 64 inclusion is I wanted something we could show to editors, media, and corporate people to really show off our community. And the problem is the game graphically looks too dated (whereas Melee/Brawl look somewhat similar) to give the right impression.

And the same issue stands (albeit not graphics) for brawl+. To include it opens a whole can of worms dealing with some of the people id like to potentially show the video off to.

That said it would be really cool to see some 64/brawl+ videos. I planned on doing some other contest in the future and we could certainly include them then. Another option if you guys are interested would be to allow both games with the stipulation that the community could select your video as top 5 and you could win premium but for the reasons described above you would not be selected as the winner. Because there will only be 5 slots we would have to limit it to one 64, and one Brawl+ included video submission maximum in the top 5. But if you guys are still pumped to do a submission even with the cant win 1st place stipulation im all for it.

LOL @ all the people and casual players who judge a game for it's graphics.

Why don't you guys just make a contest category for each game? It would really be the fairest thing to do.
Smashboards showing disinterest about the original ssb is like tell your mother/father to *** off. If SSB didnt exist, SWF wouldn't either

Also like some people said, having no category in the general forum index (on gaming category, just like a ranodm game), really really sad...

 

[Diakonos]

I think we need to get off MLG's back.

It's unfortunate, but they don't think it's best to include SSB64. They have their reasons, and if we don't agree, there's not much to be done. At least the smash community as whole can be represented, and maybe 64ers should take one for the team and try not to complain. Just a thought.

 

[ballin4life]

Have you read the thread? 64 players are complaining that their game is ignored (doesn't even have it's own forum section, for example). I don't think anyone really thought a 64 video would be the winner or anything.

 

[ballin4life]

Your Halo opinion is terrible, wrong, and does not serve a point at all. Halo 1 is not considered the best one, that is your opinion or the opinion of few people who never adapted to h2 or h3. How can you support that claim? As far as Halo 2 being more 'competitive', that is laughable as well. Halo 3 is a slower paced game with larger maps and longer games, which could be seen as taking more skill to control for longer periods of time (more 'competitive'). Halo 2 was extremely basic as far as set ups and rush tactics. Numbers do not lie, Halo 3 is destroying anything and everything that H1 and H2 were by fanbase alone. MLGs are larger and more extravagant than ever. It is because it new, more popular, and probably a better game in general as far as FPS on console goes.

HD Remix is now taking over ST tournaments nationwide even though the gameplay is not as perfect as ST was. Face it, graphics, 'newness' and fanbase have a lot to do with a games success, whether it be combo vid or professional competition.

Totally off topic but I'm pretty sure that on balance halo 1 is considered the best one by competitive players. It's LOL worthy to say that H3 is the best because it has the most people (competitive gaming is wayyyyy bigger now, in large part due to MLG's efforts with all the Halo games). I don't know anything about SF2 but I thought the whole point of HD Remix was just to be a more balanced version of ST.

 

[Daedatheus]

I actually love 64. The reason for the lack of 64 inclusion is I wanted something we could show to editors, media, and corporate people to really show off our community. And the problem is the game graphically looks too dated (whereas Melee/Brawl look somewhat similar) to give the right impression.

FINALLY,

Someone tells us the truth. The truth being that this contest is NOT for the community and NOT for new players. That clears every "graphics" issue right up.

Why couldn't you losers in the first four pages tell us this right off the bat? Now everyone's all pissy and mislead.

Of course, Smashboards, you better well ****ing host a smash64/Brawl+ combo video competition now, to make up for the blatant douchebaggery.
I'm glad it's all settled now though.

And now, unrelated to the combo video competition:

I LAUGH MY *** OFF at all the people who say "the game is dead, so don't let it have any more exposure." That's the worst logic in the world. If it's dead in your eyes, give it another chance to live. This is SMASHboards, and it all started with Smash64. We're all doing our best to keep Smash64 alive in that community, and results have been good. Real-life tournaments are pretty popular still for 64, especially in Canada. Online play is getting a greater number of players every day. New tech stuff is discovered even today. The game ain't dead, but even if you're convinced it is, why not HELP IT?