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Official Sheik Power Rankings
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Lol, thanks NEO.
You say this, because you clearly didn't read the thread. this thread is simply picking a panel that will actually choose who is the best sheik and they will choose at some later date. No one in this thread is talking about "skill and execution with a character" only sheik knowledge.
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Smash Lord
That's precisely why the main criteria for selecting the top 5 will be based on tournament results and such. The panel, which is what is being voted on right now mind you, are simply the people who are trusted with taking the time to effectively maintain the thread and set up a precise system with which to accurately make a power listing.
Perhaps read a bit more before judging?
PS. I'm not saying it'd be up to a thread to tell me if I'm 2nd or 3rd, or that I care a whole lot about the actual ranks once they are put up. I just know it can be a fun and motivational thing for some people.
iLight
Smash Lord
^^^^^^this
saviorslegacy
My avater is not a Sheik avatar.
I just realized something.....
We are voting in people who are going to be on the top 5 list.
We're setting ourselves up for a big argument and a failure because they will be ranking themselves.
So there will be statements like: "You should be #3." "I should be #1." "You are defiantly #5."
Well... not exactly like that but you get the idea.
People on the panel need to be people who wont make it to the top 5.
just sayin
We are voting in people who are going to be on the top 5 list.
We're setting ourselves up for a big argument and a failure because they will be ranking themselves.
So there will be statements like: "You should be #3." "I should be #1." "You are defiantly #5."
Well... not exactly like that but you get the idea.
People on the panel need to be people who wont make it to the top 5.
just sayin
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Smash Lord
While what you say surely does set up for quite a case of Conflict of Interest, that's the reason why I've been trying to emphasize the importance of clear-cut rules by which the list is going to be made. A mathematical system of points serves this purpose well.
After deciding on how many points are given to any certain circumstance, ie:
1. Beating M2K at a major tournament using Sheik for 2/3 of the rounds.
2. Wining a MM versus Ally.
3. Placing first at a small tourney of 21 entrants using only Sheik for the entire event.
The more we can cover with points and numbers, as a measure of how much a certain aspect contributes to a player's overall performance rating, the less we leave room for personal bias.
That being said, you bring up a valid point as bias can never, truly be eliminated from the equation. Having some people who may or may not be considered in the ranks contribute in the panel would make the thread more viable.
saviorslegacy
My avater is not a Sheik avatar.
More like over all mastery of Sheik (tech skill), match up knowledge, tourney results and how frequent they are at tournies.
Putting points to who you have beaten is gay because I doubt everyone here has had the chance to fight those 2 people. If they did I doubt they used Sheik. Perfect example is Light, he went MK.
Putting points to who you have beaten is gay because I doubt everyone here has had the chance to fight those 2 people. If they did I doubt they used Sheik. Perfect example is Light, he went MK.
O.o
These are the sheik boards..... we don't really do that.
Ankoku- he'd put himself as worst sheik if possible.
Tristan- You know he wouldn't do that. >.>
<3- He's chill and I've never seen him get too heated or biased in arguements.
Chok- I'm trying to imagine him getting into a heated debate about how he should be ranked higher. its not working. lol
Light- He is getting a tad cocky. ;P I don't think he's that much of an ******* though.
More importantly all of these people recognize this is just for fun. Plus if you look at the other panels on swf they ALL have ppl who are on the list itself. Its just natural.
Its not like the sheik boards=md/va. lol
Worst case scenario the list can just be determined my votes. Everyone can have seperate opionions, but the numbers decide.
edit:
Putting points to who you beat is the only smart way to do this (not necesarily points, but same idea). If you don't get a chance to take 2/3 close games off of M2K cuz you live on the West Coast, that's fine (though in reality a good sheik should be able to play M2K since he travels to every other major tourney in the country), because you can just 2 stock tyrant in winner's finals and get the same amount of points.
Point is no matter where you are you have the same amount of skill and you'll have some way to showcase that skill as long as you go to serious tourneys.
Lucarioowl
Smash Apprentice
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Greetings shiek forum I have the honor of fighting Dmt Manga at polytec and always enjoy fighting this very strategic player. He is well honed in the ways of spacing even out spacing my lucario which as you know is not an easy feat vids are up between him and myself all ending in close victories or losses. In conclusion I cast my vote for Manga for not only his fighting prowess but his sheer sportsmanship epic matches mah dude
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Smash Lord
I was just giving examples Saviors. The panel will undoubtedly discuss the criteria to be used. All I say is it'd be best if said criteria was made as clear as possible.
I also agree with what rathy said.
I also agree with what rathy said.
saviorslegacy
My avater is not a Sheik avatar.
But they will be forced vote on themselves. (As in saying yes or no.)
That right there should point out that anyone who is going to be on the top 5 shouldn't be in the panel list.
Ankoku- I agree
Tristan- he wants to be the best
<3- he wants to be the best
Chok- IDK really
Light- he wants to be the best
5/5's of those people will be discussed to be the top 5.
Yep... I like those odds......
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Smash Lord
More votes from other character mains. Shows how much more time I should spend on the Sheik forums lol
>.> There really is no problem with being on the panel and discussing yourself. And its true that those ppl want to be the best, but I think they're smart enough to realize that the panel is going to be the judge of who actually is the best. That's why we voted for them, because we trust they can avoid being biased. At least that's why I did. And when they vote I imagine it'll be like the sbr votes for tiers. Just rank the top 5 as you see fit and average the lists.
And look at the edit to my previous post.
@dmt: lol shows how beast you actually are. =P Getting at that sheik at poly brawl. Sheik dittos are the ****.
And look at the edit to my previous post.
@dmt: lol shows how beast you actually are. =P Getting at that sheik at poly brawl. Sheik dittos are the ****.
Tristan_win
Not dead.
So your suggesting then that people who will NEVER be in the top 5 should be the only ones on the panel? I would be pretty insulted then if I was on it if that was the case.
Hate to see anyone volunteer for that.
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Smash Lord
haha rathy. Sounds like fun. I need some more vs. Sheik experience anyway. Believe it or not I'm the only Sheik i know around my area. xD
Tristan_win
Not dead.
I thought Snakeee lived in NY.
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Smash Lord
True he does. Never got to play vs him though. Took a major break from tournies around the time Snakeee picked up Sheik.
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
He does, Staten Island.
Tristan_win
Not dead.
That must of been one hell of a break since I was playing sheik dittos with him online last summer.
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Smash Lord
Well by picked up, I suppose I mean when he started using her at large tournaments. That was more like Spring '09.
He came to pretty much all my tournies, yet I never played vs him lol
He came to pretty much all my tournies, yet I never played vs him lol
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Smash Lord
LOL. I'm aiming for that #1 spot on the National listings. I must first prove my NYC rank i suppose lol.
Good news is I'm gonna try to attend any and all tournaments in the area, so I should have a lot of results soon. See where I stand.
Good news is I'm gonna try to attend any and all tournaments in the area, so I should have a lot of results soon. See where I stand.
Bsrk_
Smash Ace
Don't know if i'm too late in voting for this but i give my vote to Ankoku_ Not confident enough to distribute other votes due to my lack of participation in American tournaments (AU) and the lack of videos from other players that showcase skills i would see as being viable to panel such a thread_
If i were to give 2 other people votes it would be Light/ Armada purely based on videos distributed_ I find it hard to justify praising a player without any video distribution for recognition or large scale tournament results, the second of which i am currently too lazy to search_
If i were to give 2 other people votes it would be Light/ Armada purely based on videos distributed_ I find it hard to justify praising a player without any video distribution for recognition or large scale tournament results, the second of which i am currently too lazy to search_
iLight
Smash Lord
though i don't think it necessarily needed to be a public debate i feel that this should be posted now.
i agree that there is a slight problem with who is on the panel, but then again that's why people are being voted in, it just so happens the people who are most knowledgeable also include a handful of people who are being considered. also I agree that as far as ranking people goes, we should all submit lists with reasons behind placing people in there respective positions on said list into a private thread, probably run by someone unbiased such as ankoku and tally up the points just like they do for ranking character tiers. then afterwards if people are unhappy with how it turned out, let the discussions begin
i agree that there is a slight problem with who is on the panel, but then again that's why people are being voted in, it just so happens the people who are most knowledgeable also include a handful of people who are being considered. also I agree that as far as ranking people goes, we should all submit lists with reasons behind placing people in there respective positions on said list into a private thread, probably run by someone unbiased such as ankoku and tally up the points just like they do for ranking character tiers. then afterwards if people are unhappy with how it turned out, let the discussions begin
KenniSpam!
Smash Master
Pretty sure I should be a panelist since I started this whole thing xD
I made a top 10 on AiB, I'll post that in a sec.
I made a top 10 on AiB, I'll post that in a sec.
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Smash Lord
Good idea. Bad followup if it took you this long to post again. Then again it must be reminded that the panel won't necessarily consist of top Sheik players, but rather honest, active members of the Sheik boards who's judgment of a Sheik's skill are trusted.
I think not much more voting is necessary, the panel should be decided on already so we can draw the line at which point tourney results and such will be taken in. O and there is the whole criteria thing the panel needs to discuss.
I think not much more voting is necessary, the panel should be decided on already so we can draw the line at which point tourney results and such will be taken in. O and there is the whole criteria thing the panel needs to discuss.
KenniSpam!
Smash Master
Yeah after my thread went like a week without a post I kinda abandoned it, not expecting a surge of interest in the topic. Anyways, here's the top 10 IMO that I posted to AiB. I also gave regions. (WC, MW, S, EC)
1. Neo (EC)
2. Light (S)
3. Champ (WC)
4. < 3 (EC)
5. Crossjeremiah (S)
6. Snakeee (EC)
7. Tristan_win (EC)
8. KenniSPAM (MW)
9. Ankoku (MW)
10. Equalox (WC)
When I made this, Ankoku specifically requested to be placed low, saying "only an idiot thinks I'm good".
Since most of you probably don't know me, I'm a Sheik (derp) from Wisconsin and I've only been in the competitive smash scene since about spring, but I've placed high in almost every regional tourney I've gone to, taking out some top players from WI and IL. I was previously ranked #10 on the WI PR, but am currently an HM. I am much more active on AiB than SWF which is why many of you have never heard of me.
1. Neo (EC)
2. Light (S)
3. Champ (WC)
4. < 3 (EC)
5. Crossjeremiah (S)
6. Snakeee (EC)
7. Tristan_win (EC)
8. KenniSPAM (MW)
9. Ankoku (MW)
10. Equalox (WC)
When I made this, Ankoku specifically requested to be placed low, saying "only an idiot thinks I'm good".
Since most of you probably don't know me, I'm a Sheik (derp) from Wisconsin and I've only been in the competitive smash scene since about spring, but I've placed high in almost every regional tourney I've gone to, taking out some top players from WI and IL. I was previously ranked #10 on the WI PR, but am currently an HM. I am much more active on AiB than SWF which is why many of you have never heard of me.
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Smash Lord
uc.. while the Top 2 may hold water on your list, the rest is mostly opinion-based. Well we'll see how the ranks form once tourney results start coming in.
I agree with everything but what's in bold. If the list is unfavorable then too bad for everyone else. Its not a big deal and more importantly the panel should stand behind its decision and encourage sheiks to put more evidence for why they should move up in the next season than argue about why they should have been higher in a season that's already past.
@kenni: This is more my idea than anyone elses, I should def be on the panel. =P
not actually cuz i have a hard time judging skill in this game, especially when it comes to sheik. Everyone looks like a scrub to me. XD
KenniSpam!
Smash Master
@rathy-I created the thread that started this. Maybe we both can be panelists. :?
stealth3654
Smash Lord
Alright guys, I'm back. Did we want top 3 or top 4 to be panelists?
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Smash Lord
I got a 2nd vote btw xP...
lol I'm fine either way honestly. I think however an odd number would be better. Between 3 and 5 I'd suggest 5.
lol I'm fine either way honestly. I think however an odd number would be better. Between 3 and 5 I'd suggest 5.
KenniSpam!
Smash Master
I would suggest 5 as well.
Tristan_win
Not dead.
I was thinking it was going to be top 3 but light got so many votes and I'll hate to see him not make the cut because of not getting one more 1 vote. We also can't have a even number of members as then ties could happen so I guess 5 is for the best.
Chok amazing anyways, I don't know why he didn't get more votes.
Chok amazing anyways, I don't know why he didn't get more votes.
stealth3654
Smash Lord
Okay then. The poll is finished and our panelists are: Ankoku, <3, Tristan, Light, and Chok.
good ****. i guess the panel can take it from here. they can find some way to privately discuss the criteria, the day the season begins and ends, and ankoku can edit this thread to include this info. r we going to make a seperate thread for tourney and mm results? i feel like just this one is fine.
KenniSpam!
Smash Master
Betcha $10 I won't be on first update even though I should be
Tristan_win
Not dead.
...Well not that I can really speak but do you have proof of tournament results, known money matches, and or recent videos of your performance with sheik?
If not then get some and do it quickly and you will most likely get ranked....I think. :3
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Smash Lord
Thought you guys weren't counting previous data?
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