Official Metaknight Discussion

[Overswarm]

I did. I posted several charts showing how good MK has done in top 8 at high levels of play.

 

[Sorto]

None of those are considered stalling.

what is stalling by definition? It has to do with being unhittable and or unreachable. All of those things do that. Just cause no one refers to it as stalling doesnt mean it isnt stalling. Its stalling by a different name. Can u please use your brain for once? Seriously? So aside from these stalling tactics, because thats all they are, and they shud all be banned under the stalling clause since that is what stalling describes, what else makes mk banable? Like offensive/defensive options and moveset?

 

[TP]

Hey guys, I'm going to invent a game called "What number is TP thinking of." The rules of the game are: whoever can guess what number TP is thinking of first, wins. I'll go first.

4.

Oh, I was right. I win.

The rules are unfair, you say?

Here, you go first.

You say 6. You are wrong.

I say 12.53. I win again!

You think the rules should be changed, huh? Well too bad, you aren't the top of the metagame, and we can't change the rules to cater to you.

 

[Dark.Pch]

Then you are not playing to win. Stop whining about the people who are.

You really are a dunce cap.

First off, I was not complaining. Learn to read. If you are playing for fun, then of course you are not playing to win. DUH!

Dude ask why you are playing this game if it is not to win? You dont really need to be playing this game to be the best. You can also play this game for the true purpose a game was made; to have fun.

Your post in here have been nothing but brainless stupidity. Learn to understand a post and read clearly before posting.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

for the sake of competition the sbr need not be concerened with anyone but the top few percent of players. That is all that matters.

Are you kidding me? So you think that the SBR should disregard everyone except for 4 players?

They make rules for EVERYONE THAT PLAYS COMPETITIVE SMASH.

Swordgard, you're in the SBR. Does the SBR make rules for the best 4 players in the world only?

Nah, didn't think so.

That isn't anti-ban's opinion that's my opinion.

Stop stereotyping.

I apologize.

There are other top level MKs, yeah, but is ANYONE really doubting whether or not M2K is the best MK or not?

Wait, but if there are other top level MKs, why aren't there top level players other than ADHD?

 

[Matador]

For fun? people travel around just to have fun playing this game with alot of people and making friends. People tend to forgot why a video game was made. And the purpose of it. Getting into this broken game does not mean try to be the best or gtfo. Where is there a rule that says this?

That's what the game was made for. That's why Sakurai saw fit to put in tripping and 3 minute replays. That's CASUAL gaming.

WE saw fit to play the game competitively, meaning compete against each other to see who's the best. Yes, competing IS fun, but the point behind it is to be the top player at the end of each tournament. If you're going to tournaments with the expectation that you'll NEVER reach the plateau that ADHD is currently resting on, then you're NOT trying to be the best, and SBR should NOT cater toward you, because you're gaming casually in a competitive environment.

After all, this whole MK debacle has a simple answer. Get better. Plenty of players have done it and are doing it, however, pro-ban's stance now is that it's unrealistic to reach that spot so instead, we should make the game easier to meet their needs that they were unwilling to meet themselves.

Please Dark P.ch, don't act like you're unaware of how this works. You've been in the scene a long time, you know what it means to be a competitive gamer.

 

[theunabletable]

Charizard.

OMG SO HARD TO FIX

Done.

How the **** is an MK walking into certain death if they don't go under the stage?

I haven't seen Snake scrooge so I can't imagine he's a problem.

Oh and at most of those. If you see someone go under the stage you call a TO. And if that TO can tell whether or not you're flying under the stage for recovery, or doing it for 8 minutes to stall while the match goes on, you get DQ'd.

If you ban gliding under the stage period, the stalling problem is gone (combined with a ledge grab limit which most places seem to have anyway)

Prove that it's a total wipeout for MK and you have a solid point of evidence.

Okay:
ADHD's performance
Overall placing: 1/48
2. M2K
3. Ally
4. Ksizzle
5: Shadow_111
5: Judge
7: Havok
7: Logic
9: Lee Martin
9: Seibrik
9: Ninjalink
9: Lain
13: ChuDat-
13: Malcolm
13: Vex Kasrani-
13: DEHF-
17: co18
17: Sanoscy
17: Candy
17: Alpha Zealot
17: DjIskascribble
17: Dekar
17: Fatal
17: Hunger
25: Atomsk
25: HAT-
25: dmbrandon
25: Cable
25: Xzax
25: Infern Angelis
25: Ling Ling
25: Bizkit
33: jtails
33: Smash64
33: Dapuffster
33: Y.B.M.
33: Omni
33: Stingers
33: Junebug
33: Bloodcross
33: Jash
33: Hyro
33: Takeover
33: Boss-
33: Mikey Lenetia
33: Zucco
33: Pierce
33: NEO

Now Tyrant and Dojo weren't there. So we don't have all of the best MKs in one spot.

Look at all those broken and completely bannable characters below dat diddy.

Dude ask why you are playing this game if it is not to win? You dont really need to be playing this game to be the best. You can also play this game for the true purpose a game was made; to have fun.

Then play it to have fun, then. But don't ***** about the people who play to win if they beat you.

Wait, but if there are other top level MKs, why aren't there top level players other than ADHD?

There are top level Mewtwos in Melee. Why aren't there other people who are at the top of the metagame other than Mango?

There being other top level MKs has nothing to do with there being other players as good as ADHD's Diddy.

You think the rules should be changed, huh? Well too bad, you aren't the top of the metagame, and we can't change the rules to cater to you.

When did I say I was playing your game competitively?

After all, this whole MK debacle has a simple answer. Get better. Plenty of players have done it and are doing it, however, pro-ban's stance now is that it's unrealistic to reach that spot so instead, we should make the game easier to meet their needs themselves.

This.

I do not give a **** if you are not as good as ADHD. He can do it, so can Ally. At their level of play, the highest level of competition, MK is not broken. If you are not good enough to play at this level, stop johning about it.

 

[Flayl]

If we can get past the (honestly dumb) analogies and if someone will take the time to find out about the MK's win/loss record I posted earlier

Here's the list again:
M2K, Tyrant, Dojo, Shadow, Ksizzle, Anti, DSF, Judge, Seibrik

Find out who these people lose to. Volunteering for finding the data for just 1 MK is good enough. Maybe just for the past 3-6 months? When was the last MK poll?

 

[Kuraudo]

No offense, Dark.Pch, but I don't think "having fun" is a good factor to bring to the table in regards to Pro-Ban on MK.

That may just be me though.

srs bsns, rite gaiz?

The top players of the series shape the match-ups for us, yes. But we as a whole support the foundation of the Brawl community. Not just the higher ups.

Some have the mentality of, "Play to have fun." yes. But everyone? Be honest with yourselves. What kind of a mindset is this if you're going JUST for the fun. Go there, and play to have fun winning. That's what you need to do.

Idk where this came from, but, oh wells. /shrugs/

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Okay:
ADHD's performance
Overall placing: 1/48
2. M2K
3. Ally
4. Ksizzle
5: Shadow_111
5: Judge
7: Havok
7: Logic
9: Lee Martin
9: Seibrik
9: Ninjalink
9: Lain
13: ChuDat-
13: Malcolm
13: Vex Kasrani-
13: DEHF-
17: co18
17: Sanoscy
17: Candy
17: Alpha Zealot
17: DjIskascribble
17: Dekar
17: Fatal
17: Hunger
25: Atomsk
25: HAT-
25: dmbrandon
25: Cable
25: Xzax
25: Infern Angelis
25: Ling Ling
25: Bizkit
33: jtails
33: Smash64
33: Dapuffster
33: Y.B.M.
33: Omni
33: Stingers
33: Junebug
33: Bloodcross
33: Jash
33: Hyro
33: Takeover
33: Boss-
33: Mikey Lenetia
33: Zucco
33: Pierce
33: NEO

Now Tyrant and Dojo weren't there. So we don't have all of the best MKs in one spot.

Yes, but even without Tyrant and Dojo, MKs were able to take 2nd, 4th, 5th, 5th, 7th, 9th, and 9th.

 

[Dark.Pch]

That's what the game was made for. That's why Sakurai saw fit to put in tripping and 3 minute replays. That's CASUAL gaming.

WE saw fit to play the game competitively, meaning compete against each other to see who's the best. Yes, competing IS fun, but the point behind it is to be the top player at the end of each tournament. If you're going to tournaments with the expectation that you'll NEVER reach the plateau that ADHD is currently resting on, then you're NOT trying to be the best, and SBR should NOT cater toward you, because you're gaming casually in a competitive environment.

After all, this whole MK debacle has a simple answer. Get better. Plenty of players have done it and are doing it, however, pro-ban's stance now is that it's unrealistic to reach that spot so instead, we should make the game easier to meet their needs themselves.

Please Dark P.ch, don't act like you're unaware of how this works. You've been in the scene a long time, you know what it means to be a competitive gamer.

There must have been something you did not know about me. When I decided to play this game competitive, I only cared for one thing; making top 8. If I did not, I could not care if I lost next round. I made top 8 and help Peach rank up. Same time not caring about being the best player in the world or for money. All that crap ment nothing to me cause I would have to go down to stpid levels (one of them being using meta and doing all this broken crap) just to get cash and being seen as someone in the community, have a rep, being one of the best, etc.

playing competitively does not mean I have to go for being one of the best or else go home. And again, there is no law in this game that says you have to play to be the best or leave.

 

[Overswarm]

what is stalling by definition? It has to do with being unhittable and or unreachable. All of those things do that. Just cause no one refers to it as stalling doesnt mean it isnt stalling. Its stalling by a different name. Can u please use your brain for once? Seriously? So aside from these stalling tactics, because thats all they are, and they shud all be banned under the stalling clause since that is what stalling describes, what else makes mk banable? Like offensive/defensive options and moveset?

Stalling: The act of deliberately avoiding any and all conflict so that one may make the game unplayable. Running away from an opponent to reach a better position is not stalling, while doing an infinite grab endlessly against a wall is. Any infinite chain grabs must end quickly after 300% has been reached so as to prevent excessive stalling.

I wrote the definition. Planking and scrooging don't count as stalling.

 

[GunmasterLombardi]

So let me get this straight...pro-ban is NOW saying that, yeah, MK is beatable and everything, but it's unrealistic to consider that people can reach that level, so we ignore that fact when deciding whether or not to ban him?

Are You Serious?

Are we not into competitive gaming? Why are you playing this game if you're not trying to become the best?

Please tell me I'm misinterpreting this.

Yeeah...

Some people just can't manage achieving top level considering most of us are behind. Not sayin' I'm one of them but yeah it IS kinda unrealistic to get even 10 more people to reach the top and beat m2k by end of the summer. Again, I doubt MK is at the peak of his gane just watch.

 

[WindMajor]

The anti-bans want me to learn the matchup:

1.Metaknight's Gay Playstyle: Before I begin, I MUST have you understand this: Playing gay DOES NOT MEAN that he is broken/unbeatable. It just means that he plays.... really gay.

How does he play gay? Well, simply put, he's arguably the best planker, scrooger, and camper in the game. He's the best abuser of the game's defensive tactics, and the clear best character in the game. He is the pinnacle of most smasher's frustrations.

By now, the anti-bans would have already told me to just learn the matchup and get over it, just like YOU did! Well, I will, and this is how I plan on doing so:

I play Toon Link, and I love that character to death. Now, the matchup for Toon Link is 40:60 (arguably 35:65 in favor of MK). Let's say that I'm the best TL in the universe (which is far from the truth), and I'm going against M2K, who is the best MK in the universe. We both have learned anything and everything that we need to know about the matchup, and even though it took me a million years, I eventually learned it, and now, we are finally going to brawl. M2K has a better chance of winning against me because he's using a better character.

Stop right there. I didn't say that I couldn't win, I just said that he has better chances. BUT WHAT IF I WANTED EVEN BETTER CHANCES OF WINNING? I could just pick up MK, put the same amount of effort, and make the matchup 50:50. This would be the best solution for me to beat MK, since winning a 50:50 matchup is a lot more reliable than trying to win a disadvantaged matchup. A lot of people will do this, AND HAVE DONE THIS. They pick up MK so that they could have better chances of winning. But what happens if everyone does this?

MK would dominate the game.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

So let me get this straight...pro-ban is NOW saying that, yeah, MK is beatable and everything, but it's unrealistic to consider that people can reach that level, so we ignore that fact when deciding whether or not to ban him?

Are You Serious?

Are we not into competitive gaming? Why are you playing this game if you're not trying to become the best?

Please tell me I'm misinterpreting this.

It's pretty simple in my opinion.

Everyone is trying to reach the pinnacle of competition, but they are not able to because of Meta Knight.

TWO PEOPLE have been able to CONSISTENTLY beat the best MK in TWO YEARS.

 

[Espy Rose]

No offense, Dark.Pch, but I don't think "having fun" is a good factor to bring to the table in regards to Pro-Ban on MK.

It's not, but denying that it has no effect on the condition of the community revolving around MK would be silly.

I'd reference back to UTD Zac's post awhile back that I quoted in terms of that matter.

Too bad emotion doesn't play much part in these matters.
Otherwise, M2K's opinion would be god.
...
Thank god.

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

It's pretty simple in my opinion.

Everyone is trying to reach the pinnacle of competition, but they are not able to because of Meta Knight.

TWO PEOPLE have been able to beat the best MK in TWO YEARS.

Consistently*

 

[Sorto]

Are you kidding me? So you think that the SBR should disregard everyone except for 4 players?

They make rules for EVERYONE THAT PLAYS COMPETITIVE SMASH.

Swordgard, you're in the SBR. Does the SBR make rules for the best 4 players in the world only?

Nah, didn't think so.



I apologize.



Wait, but if there are other top level MKs, why aren't there top level players other than ADHD?

the rules sbr makes are to make the game fair for all. Fun and competition need not go hand in hand. The sbr makes rules that makes the game fair for all, so that anyone can make it to the top 2 percent provided they are good enough. The top 2 percent proves the mk is fair and does not disable a good player who doesnt play mk to make it to the top. The top 2 percent proves that a brawl game with mk is still fair. The sbr rules can keep him since he doesnt ruin competition. Knowing that less good players should try to raise through the ranks and come to a realization that not all top players need to play mk.

 

[.AC.]

It's pretty simple in my opinion.

Everyone is trying to reach the pinnacle of competition, but they are not able to because of Meta Knight.

TWO PEOPLE have been able to beat the best MK in TWO YEARS.

are you even sure what you are saying is true?

 

[BarDulL]

Hmm...to think that there are so many MKs at the top with a ledge grab limit...

I wonder, what would happen if those same MKs could "plank" or "scrooge" at that tournament?

That is a serious question, mind you! I do not have an answer. What I do know is that these rules that have been implemented are unwarranted, and these results could be skewed.

 

[etecoon]

TWO PEOPLE have been able to beat the best MK in TWO YEARS.

six, seven if you count another meta knight(has to count for something in establishing his skill level, all good players go MK because they want to win but only one MK has taken a set off the best MK)


pink fresh ninja'd me

 

[MysteriousSilver]

Whoa, hold the ****ing phone.

Are people actually suggesting that we ban gliding under the stage? Even if it was just on MK it's ********. Why remove a perfectly good option from three characters because some MKs abuse it? Ban the abuse, if you're going to do surgery, no the technique.

Also, people know that gliders aren't the only ones who can go under a stage, right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEroW5mRH5g

 

[theunabletable]

Yes, but even without Tyrant and Dojo, MKs were able to take 2nd, 4th, 5th, 5th, 7th, 9th, and 9th.

But not 1st. You know, the one occupied by the winner.

Everyone is trying to reach the pinnacle of competition, but they are not able to because of Meta Knight.

But these non-MK players are able to reach the pinnacle of competition with Meta Knight here! If you aren't as good as ADHD, Ally, M2K, etc then we can ONLY ASSUME that you ARE NOT as skilled as them and SHOULDN'T reach the pinnacle of competition.

Also, people know that gliders aren't the only ones who can go under a stage, right?

If people start scrooging as Marth...

I can't even say that without laughing.

Why remove a perfectly good option from three characters because some MKs abuse it?

The only valid argument is that stalling is bad for the community.

What's worse for MK, being completely banned, or being unable to go below a stage?

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

the rules sbr makes are to make the game fair for all. Fun and competition need not go hand in hand. The sbr makes rules that makes the game fair for all, so that anyone can make it to the top 2 percent provided they are good enough. The top 2 percent proves the mk is fair and does not disable a good player who doesnt play mk to make it to the top. The top 2 percent proves that a brawl game with mk is still fair. The sbr rules can keep him since he doesnt ruin competition. Knowing that less good players should try to raise through the ranks and come to a realization that not all top players need to play mk.

The top two percent of one tournament. The top two percent of the entire Smash community is something completely different. That would *most likely* consist of almost all MKs.

are you even sure what you are saying is true?

I should edit that. Two players have shown that they can CONSISTENTLY beat MK in two years.

 

[etecoon]

I'm still waiting for the day that a snake player gets a stock lead and attempts to time someone out by C4 teching into the stage repeatedly, make it happen someone.

 

[.AC.]

Hmm...to think that there are so many MKs at the top with a ledge grab limit...

I wonder, what would happen if those same MKs could "plank" or "scrooge" at that tournament?

does it matter? there is a reason why rules are implemented.

 

[Kewkky]

OMG SO HARD TO FIX

If you add Charizard's name in there, you're limiting yet another character for MK's problems. That's Pit and Charizard even more limited, and they're not even tourney viable!

How the **** is an MK walking into certain death if they don't go under the stage?

have you seen the brick walls top-level Snakes set up near the ledges for recovering opponents? grenades on platforms, claymore neat the ledge, C4 who knows where, another grenade falling off the ledge to pressure people to get off/climb on, and charging an fsmash to meet the opponent's ledgerolls. WHY in the WORLD would a sane player try to bypass all of that? Chances are: you're gonna get your *** kicked by Snake as soon as you jump. So what do we do here, since getting on-stage is gonna be a huge problem? We drop off the ledge, glide under the stage, and get on the waaaay safer ledge before Snake has time to make another brick wall over there.

That's gliding under the stage; tactical positioning.

I haven't seen Snake scrooge so I can't imagine he's a problem.

Snake can't scrooge. o_O

Oh and at most of those. If you see someone go under the stage you call a TO. And if that TO can tell whether or not you're flying under the stage for recovery, or doing it for 8 minutes to stall while the match goes on, you get DQ'd.

See, this is where players think they can do a better job than TOs. You DO know that there's a limited number of TOs per national, and that the limited number of TOs will be supervising many matches at the same time, as well as the bracket and how people are doing in the venue, right? TOs don't have the time to sit back and watch a match to decide whether or not the MK needs to be DQ'd, and people can lie if there's not enough witnesses and say "I was trying to find the safest way to return onto the stage".

If you ban gliding under the stage period, the stalling problem is gone (combined with a ledge grab limit which most places seem to have anyway)

Why in the world would you want to punish other characters for the price of one? Why, if for the sake of making MK more balanced, should Charizard and Pit suffer even more than what they do now? Do they merit losing that advantageous option? They've done nothing wrong at all, and they barely have great options as it is!

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

So let me get this straight...pro-ban is NOW saying that, yeah, MK is beatable and everything, but it's unrealistic to consider that people can reach that level, so we ignore that fact when deciding whether or not to ban him?

Are You Serious?

Are we not into competitive gaming? Why are you playing this game if you're not trying to become the best?

Please tell me I'm misinterpreting this.

Actually, the true irony of the anti-ban statement is that at the highest level of play, MK should within all rights be taking anywhere from all to well over half the top 8 spots in a tournament. At the highest level of play, MK is still not only the best, but destroys virtually everyone else. So yeah, we're serious. We're being realistic, something some anti-bans should try. Other realistic things: edging out the extremer results (like that CF player who schooled M2K by reading everything he did perfectly and punishing (hypothetically)).

Hmm...to think that there are so many MKs at the top with a ledge grab limit...

I wonder, what would happen if those same MKs could "plank" or "scrooge" at that tournament?

Well, falco and ICs would be shut out completely, along with a few others.

 

[.AC.]

snake should be able to glide and jump a lot of times.

 

[Sorto]

Stalling: The act of deliberately avoiding any and all conflict so that one may make the game unplayable. Running away from an opponent to reach a better position is not stalling, while doing an infinite grab endlessly against a wall is. Any infinite chain grabs must end quickly after 300% has been reached so as to prevent excessive stalling.

I wrote the definition. Planking and scrooging don't count as stalling.

they dont avoid any and all conflict? Cause i thought that was the point of them? Why do people scrooge and plank then? You have not answered my other question yet still? What makes him unfair when mk isnt tryin to avoid conflict?

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

But not 1st. You know, the one occupied by the winner. But these non-MK players are able to reach the pinnacle of competition with Meta Knight here!

Yes, all two of them. You're dumb if you think that first place is all that matters.

If you aren't as good as ADHD, Ally, M2K, etc then we can ONLY ASSUME that you ARE NOT as skilled as them and SHOULDN'T reach the pinnacle of competition.

Really? Is that true? Or is it the wall of MKs in their path? I love the fact that you're disregarding the fact that two players have consistently beaten M2K.

This guy is silly.

six, seven if you count another meta knight(has to count for something in establishing his skill level, all good players go MK because they want to win but only one MK has taken a set off the best MK)


pink fresh ninja'd me

Consistently, sorry about that. Calm down people.

 

[GunmasterLombardi]

Hmm...to think that there are so many MKs at the top with a ledge grab limit...

I wonder, what would happen if those same MKs could "plank" or "scrooge" at that tournament?

That is a serious question, mind you! I do not have an answer. What I do know is that these rules that have been implemented are unwarranted, and these results could be skewed.

It concerns me that your name is in dark purple but we've never met...

BTW MATADOR, I predict we'll debate about the definition of competitive next. If the criteria you've presented was true then MK would be the only used character. That's not the case. C:

 

[Zankoku]

I love the fact that you're disregarding the fact that two players have consistently beaten M2K.

Name more than two players who have consistently beaten Mango in the past year.

 

[etecoon]

Consistently, sorry about that. Calm down people.

again, I don't see the problem. why would the best player in brawl lose with any consistency to more than a handful of other players? how many people could take a set off M2K in his melee prime? how about mango right now? anyone familiar with other fighting games that can tell us what is a typical number of rivals for a best in the world player?

 

[theunabletable]

If you add Charizard's name in there, you're limiting yet another character for MK's problems. That's Pit and Charizard even more limited, and they're not even tourney viable!

Then don't put them on there. We don't need to if it doesn't present a practical problem.

Chances are: you're gonna get your *** kicked by Snake as soon as you jump. So what do we do here, since getting on-stage is gonna be a huge problem? We drop off the ledge, glide under the stage, and get on the waaaay safer ledge before Snake has time to make another brick wall over there.

MK has more options on the ledge against Snake than just "glide under the stage".

Snake can't scrooge. o_O

Isn't scrooging just going under the stage to stall someone out? Or is it SPECIFCALLY gliding?

See, this is where players think they can do a better job than TOs. You DO know that there's a limited number of TOs per national, and that the limited number of TOs will be supervising many matches at the same time, as well as the bracket and how people are doing in the venue, right? TOs don't have the time to sit back and watch a match to decide whether or not the MK needs to be DQ'd, and people can lie if there's not enough witnesses and say "I was trying to find the safest way to return onto the stage".

We don't have TOs watching every MK match to make sure they don't IDC, why should we assume we'd need TOs watching every MK match to make sure they don't scrooge?

and they CAN'T lie like that because it admits to going under the stage, which means instant-DQ

Why in the world would you want to punish other characters for the price of one? Why, if for the sake of making MK more balanced, should Charizard and Pit suffer even more than what they do now? Do they merit losing that advantageous option? They've done nothing wrong at all, and they barely have great options as it is!

Then only apply it to MK. It hasn't shown to be any problem at all with Pit or Charizard, thus it shouldn't apply to them.

Name more than two players who have consistently beaten Mango in the past year.

Hell name more than ONE Mango who has beaten him and caused him to lose a tourney.

I'm quite sure it's only happened once (RoM2).

Yes, all two of them. You're dumb if you think that first place is all that matters.

That's Ad Hominem.

Really? Is that true? Or is it the wall of MKs in their path? I love the fact that you're disregarding the fact that two players have consistently beaten M2K.

I haven't disregarded that.

It's your fault you play a character that is countered by MK. Diddy, ICs, Snake, and Falco aren't countered by MK. Those are the smart choices to use against him. If you lose as any other character, then you're a fool for picking another character that has such a bad matchup.

How many players HAVE beaten Mango other than Kage at RoM2 ONCE this year?

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Name more than two players who have consistently beaten Mango in the past year.

I don't follow Melee. I have no idea.

again, I don't see the problem. why would the best player in brawl lose with any consistency to more than a handful of other players? how many people could take a set off M2K in his melee prime? how about mango right now? anyone familiar with other fighting games that can tell us what is a typical number of rivals for a best in the world player?

People are claiming that anyone can get to the top level of play if they just get better. I was saying that since two players have reached this level in two years, it clearly ISN'T THAT EASY. Let's be realistic, people.

 

[Sorto]

The top two percent of one tournament. The top two percent of the entire Smash community is something completely different. That would *most likely* consist of almost all MKs.



I should edit that. Two players have shown that they can CONSISTENTLY beat MK in two years.

how about the top 2 percent of the competative smash community? People who actually go to tournies? Instead of the whole community? And the truth of the matter is, the majority will be mks, but they are not all mks? Thus no true unfair advantage. It has one best character any game would have the best character making up a higher percent of the top players. That isnt suprising or new. Its standard and not unfair. Get over it.

 

[Matador]

There must have been something you did not know about me. When I decided to play this game competitive, I only cared for one thing; making top 8. If I did not, I could not care if I lost next round. I made top 8 and help Peach rank up. Same time not caring about being the best player in the world or for money. All that crap ment nothing to me cause I would have to go down to stpid levels (one of them being using meta and doing all this broken crap) just to get cash and being seen as someone in the community, have a rep, being one of the best, etc.

playing competitively does not mean I have to go for being one of the best or else go home. And again, there is no law in this game that says you have to play to be the best or leave.

That's all fine and well, you can have your own agenda for getting into the competitive smash scene. Hell, I play Mario. I obviously have one of my own.

But you CANNOT expect rules made for competitive players to cater toward everyone; competitive and casual gamers alike. You can't expect the higher-ups to ban MK because you're unwilling to make your own adjustments to beat him.

If ADHD and Ally (and others that people aren't naming) can beat MK, then why can't we? Why do I feel like the only person with that mentality?

Yeeah...

Some people just can't manage achieving top level considering most of us are behind. Not sayin' I'm one of them but yeah it IS kinda unrealistic to get even 10 more people to reach the top and beat m2k by end of the summer. Again, I doubt MK is at the peak of his gane just watch.

How is that unrealistic? The top players are good, no doubt, but you can't honestly use the excuse "they're too good for the rest of us to keep up" for a reason to ban the character.

It's pretty simple in my opinion.

Everyone is trying to reach the pinnacle of competition, but they are not able to because of Meta Knight.

TWO PEOPLE have been able to beat the best MK in TWO YEARS.

This makes no sense to me. You can't BE at the pinnacle of competition if MK is still an issue for you. That's the wall that needs climbing.

The fact that two people have been able to beat the seemingly unbeatable character should be a sign of hope for the game, not hopelessness. Competitive gaming runs into these issues, all of them have at one time or another. If you remove this obstacle, you're weakening the entire community needlessly.

 

[Overswarm]

they dont avoid any and all conflict? Cause i thought that was the point of them? Why do people scrooge and plank then? You have not answered my other question yet still? What makes him unfair when mk isnt tryin to avoid conflict?

The act of deliberately avoiding any and all conflict so that one may make the game unplayable

 

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how about the top 2 percent of the competative smash community? People who actually go to tournies? Instead of the whole community? And the truth of the matter is, the majority will be mks, but they are not all mks? Thus no true unfair advantage. It has one best character any game would have the best character making up a higher percent of the top players. That isnt suprising or new. Its standard and not unfair. Get over it.

I was referring to the competitive community, as that is what the SBR covers.

Of course they are not all MKs, but if we look at OS' graphs as well as Ankoku's character rankings thread, we can see how dominant MK is.

I don't see what you're trying to prove.