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but all of it is pretty badly telegraphed against someone who has 5 jumps and can glide under the stage.
Of course it goes both ways, but the issue is that currently, the anti-ban sign is bringing u only TWO players.
Not every person can reach the top. And these people who can't beat MK will never beat Ally or ADHD so getting rid of MK won't help them get to the top.
He's not completely dominating the tournament scene, though. He doesn't win the big tourneys.
They have a better chance of winning without all of the MKs. Especially if they main a character like Marth who has decent/good matchups against everyone other than MK.
Point being?
I can not stress enough how wrong this is.
If one person, using the same character is consistently winning tournaments, that is an indication of player skill.
I agree dedede also
How is that unrealistic in a competitive environment where everyone is constantly improving?
Because it's unreasonable for the other kids to study like the two that passed the test and achieve the same result?
So difficult, in fact, that only two players can reach the point of which he's not an issue and doesn't need banning. However, for the rest of us, who cannot reach that point in skill, he's so hard that we need him banned to keep tourneys from being all MK.
But, in comparison with the skill of those players who COULD beat MK had he stayed in the game, how are these players better?
It's who wins that matters in competition.
More wins than MK has. Sure it may show player skill more than anything, but regardless it's far more dominant. At the current peak of Melee metagame, Jiggs wins more than MK does.
Those stalls would make the game unplayable for the opponent? How could you play against your opponent if he can't be hit. Isn't jigglypuffs rising pound in melee considered a stall tactic? That makes the game unplayable in the same way that scrooging and planking do. Jigglys rising pound was banned seperately, but it was considered a stalling manuever. Anyone with a brain considers scrooging and planking stalling manuevers. Thats what they are used for. To run the timer while you cant be hurt? Right? Thats flat out what stalling is. Learn to interpret correctly OS. Ban the manuvers seperately then, if MKs are using scrooging and planking based on a technicality.
So if you have little experience it is unfair to say that DK gets wrecked in that match up. Will told me he actually super armor full punched through the tornado, and barely took any percent the first stock.
its not unfair to say it. I don't care if will told you he jabed through tornado. it doesn't change the fact that tornado is nearly unpunishable by DK and has no way of escaping it when trapped.
No everyone admits that MK can be beat. They just say that people who are not good can't beat MK. So we should ban MK in competition (a contest to see who the best is) because the players who are not good and won't get top 3 anyways can't beat him.
DK can get out of tornado. Its called DI, and its kinda a big deal in smash games. Ask Will, he get outs of tornado a decent percent of the time and when he does he usually gets a free down air or Punch if its charged. Sounds worth it to me. Or just beat it with foward tilt when its coming at you? Duh?
If you follow their DI DK can't get out of it. I've been doing it to Will since I found out about it and he can't get around it if you do unless he gets through the initial part of getting into the tornado and punches/ftilts through it.
WOW you serious? That sucks. Guess you can add that to the list ok MK advantages.
ONLY broken characters disserve to be banned in my opinion.
Also, you can get hit if your doing a rising pound. Your not invincible. Your just to hard to get to. It is very similar to scrooging.
If you people listened for even five minutes, you'd know that ISN'T TRUE.
At proper heights and offstage, it's literally impossible to reach a Jigglypuff using rising Pounds with anyone except Jigglypuff.
The thing is, this is competitive gaming. With emphasis on competitive. They didn't ban MJ, Magic, or Larry Bird (did he have a nickname? wth) when they were winning championships left and right.
so we should ban mk so more people can have a chance? ooh yeah lets ban dedede while we are at it.
Unrealistic was the wrong word. Let's keep it in the present.
This is an assumption. You're assuming that the other students aren't studying hard. Just like you're assuming that no one is trying to get to the level of ADHD, M2K, and Ally.
He's not only unbeatable to pro-ban, he's unbeatable to everyone other than ADHD and Ally. It's not like anti-ban somehow beats MK.
Assumption. These players will have a way better chance of winning. Like I said with Marth. He has a bad matchup vs. MK, and a not very bad or good matchup vs. every other character. He has a way better chance of winning now. I don't see how you're saying this is a bad thing.
To you, not to everyone else.
How do you know that the Diddy player is not just simply that much better than the Metaknights?
Because the Diddy player is better than the MK player.
Show me where I ever said MK was broken in this thread. Of course it matters who wins. But you are saying that 1st place is all that matters. 2-8 matters as well. Do you see Ankoku using ONLY first place results in his thread? Didn't think so.
I've never said 2nd was more important than winning. But you are disregarding the fact that 2nd-8th matters at all.
I honestly don't care whether or not I can convince you.
MKs win plenty of tournaments.
What?
But is Jiggs flooding the top 8 of almost every large tournament? Didn't think so.
