goateeguy
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thank you! someone finally moved M2 out of the bottom!!!
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have you seen how darkrain ***** sheiks? well every other besides m2ks....but hes a different story.While I won't dispute that Sheik is comboable, "so badly" is a gross exaggeration. Sheik DIing away shuts off a lot more than you think it does.
Falcon can edgeguard Sheik, that I agree with you.
I think you're missing the important feature Sheik has in the matchup, though, where her setups on Falcon are considerably easier than his setups on her. She has more room for error because of her low lag and high range mix. And her priority rocks him. The result is that she can produce openings with much more ease than vice versa. The matchup is not impossible for Falcon, but it's certainly not even, and it definitely favours Sheik.
That's also done without taking into consideration the fact that Sheik tech chases Falcon much better than he does on her (at least from throw; from other moves too, but the focus is throw because that's what both characters tend to aim to get); Falcon does not come equipped with such a stupidly amazing tech roll in fact his sucks. Falcon is much easier to death combo/tech chase (with Sheik) from a grab than vice versa.
..........have you every shut up? lolJona have you ever won an argument?
ice climbers isnt a bad match, all you have to do is knee and raptor boost and thats like it.jona needs to relax on the posting, cause he doesnt understand anything
sheik destroys falcon, spacies only slightly less, marth and peach are about even
not to mention more roughly even matchups like ice climbers and even luigi and pikachu can annoy falcon
falcon players travel basically as much as anyone else these days, meaning they go to the tournaments in their region and some really big ones outside, except silent spectre who has never traveled outside of cali to my knowledge. dont expect any revelations about falcon, most people understand what he's capable of matchup-wise at this point.
i can assure you that im better then you....and that i am good. seen my videos? my friends that i played are all good.maybe he's just not too good or doesn't play in a very evolved community.
lololol
sheik OBLITERATES falcon... imo.
(not too many sheik mains in norcal tho)
Darkrain only death combos M2K once that entire set. Twice if you count the D-throw D-air gimp on Brinstar. Hit per hit, M2K averages more damage.have you seen how darkrain ***** sheiks? well every other besides m2ks....but hes a different story.
Hey, I didn't sandbag all the time X^DIt's a shame noone ever bothered to try to be good with Pichu.
That would be Taj.thank you! someone finally moved M2 out of the bottom!!!
i love how you want me to know/think you're better than me when i don't even care about your skill. it doesn't matter. you probably ARE better than me. go watch MY videos. it's not like i place high at tournaments or anything, but i do know a thing or two about this and that. i know that i'm not the only one who considers some of your posts ridiculously ignorant.i can assure you that im better then you....and that i am good. seen my videos? my friends that i played are all good.
again. i don't main falcon or sheik. and haven't done this match up at an extremely high level of play. i should say that IMO, sheik has a decent to strong advantage against falcon.have you seen how darkrain ***** sheiks? well every other besides m2ks....but hes a different story.
obliterate you say?
like i said watch some darkrain vs sheik videos...except the ones vs m2k....
you're cool. loltry going to a tournament and watching players and/or playing good sheiks instead of assuming the vids on youtube are every match thats ever happened. i'd show you a vid of drephens sheik destroying my falcon from a couple months ago, but then you'd just assume i'm terrible because you're ignorant and i havent posted a billion videos on youtube to convince people who don't go to tournaments that i'm good.
wow. i've seen some BADBAD things done to falcons.i didnt say ice climbers was a bad matchup, i said it was roughly even, and i guarantee im better than you at it. ive played all of the good ones and taken matches off of chu in tournament. any matchup where the other character has a guaranteed 0-death on you off of a grab is not gonna be easy though.
yeah, the 0-death potential isn't the only thing that makes ic's a threat, imo.hochiminh trail is the only ice climber who has ever actually 0-death cg'd me though, chu and wobbles both failed to finish me majority of the time
wobbles had like a billion other tricks though, and chu reads your jumps like a beast
Scar said at one point (paraphrase) that Sheik is a brick wall, like Fox, where you need them to make mistakes in order to win, and that she is a miserable, miserable matchup at all levels of play.scars a beast, ss not sure of, jianos good so i dont think he has a problem, um whos left, hax beat sw's sheik lol um idk, all i know is ive never seen videos of a sheik destroying a falcon, unless its m2k's sheik that is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2EbWOYOCKAthe videos are old...but imagine since then how much hes gotten better. like i said the set vs m2k doesnt count. m2k is....m2k.
anyways i know other top falcons dont have a problem vs sheik.
scars a beast, ss not sure of, jianos good so i dont think he has a problem, um whos left, hax beat sw's sheik lol um idk, all i know is ive never seen videos of a sheik destroying a falcon, unless its m2k's sheik that is.
I understand that videos don't mean anything. I just feel like finding evidence that directly contradicts the claims he's making in his post.videos aren't going to help. it's the big picture that matters.
and it's not going to convince anyone anyway. lolz
Actually, it's really simple.i understand that. and people do that all the time with good intention.
but he could just go find a random vid of a falcon owning a sheik and link that to "prove" his point.
ya know?
idk
nvm haha i'm just being dumb
You can find evidence on Youtube to support any sort of argument. It's pretty LOL.lol
don't link a random match to help your point. hahah
that would allow for some whack evidence for false cases.
DEMI-GOD TIER:
Fox
TOP TIER:
Falco
Marth - This is where i really deviate from most lists.
Sheik
Peach
C. Falcon
MID-HIGH TIER:
IC's
Samus
Jiggs
Doc
Link
Ganon
MID TIER:
Mario
Young Link
Roy
Mewtwo
V
Luigi
Zelda
LOW TIER:
Pikachu
BOTTOM TIER:
Ness
Bowser
Pichu
V
Donkey Kong
Game + Watch
Yoshi
Kirby
I would consider him one outside of FD. Slight advantage goes to Falco in the matchup.since when is falco a cp for fox.
thats not true.
this was the desired response. everybody always says he's just terrible and never says why. is there any reason or is someone just going to say 'shut up noob' and forget i ever asked?EDIT: Just realized you put Mewtwo in Mid-tier... Just no, ask Taj or one of those good players what they think about the character, they will tell you he is horrible, they're just that good.
Unless Falcon was switched with Peach. I'll address Goateeguy in the morning.why do people still argue about the tier list? it's **** right now, your not going to find a more accurate one.