Official MBR 2010 NTSC Tier List

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

While I disagree with V3ctorman abandoning yoshi after making bracket at a national, his approach to the character was much better than leffens.

The sad thing is, everyone will agree with me (well, a much larger number) if I do well at Apex with Yoshi (I'm playing him and I'm gonna do well unless I face a Sheik lol) even though it shouldn't matter.

I know the "right" way to do things is to prove that HEY GUYS, IM A GOD AT SMASH THEREFOR MY OPINION IS VALID which is basically what EVERYONE goes by atm but I really couldn't care less about what some random players with nothing to say themselves think about how I argue.

why should we believe you with no reasonable evidence?

 

[Battlecow]

The sad thing is, everyone will agree with me (well, a much larger number) if I do well at Apex with Yoshi (I'm playing him and I'm gonna do well unless I face a Sheik lol) even though it shouldn't matter.

I know the "right" way to do things is to prove that HEY GUYS, IM A GOD AT SMASH THEREFOR MY OPINION IS VALID which is basically what EVERYONE goes by atm but I really couldn't care less about what some random players with nothing to say themselves think about how I argue.

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>I hate how everyone uses players' personal skill rather than theoretical arguments to form opinions

>I couldn't care less about what random players think

You're a tremendous gaping ***hole, so much so that I find myself kind of liking you. I'm smiling a little bit right now and shaking my head back and forth while whistling softly. You've got spunk, kid.

 

[Mew2King]

to be fair leffen, i would much rather trust someone who has been able to back up his claims with really good proof like in tournament matches rather than if they didn't.

example - I would trust armada's view of peach over any other peach players, although I would still at least consider everything that is said.

I'm not getting into these debates about yoshi and ganon (they both suck) but I figured I would say that while it doesn't change the truth of what you say at all, it does change the amount of people that believe it. If you did really well with Yoshi in tournament, then yes, a much greater amount of people will believe you. That is just the reality of how most of the world works, and I think it makes perfect sense also. There must be some sort of proof or at least a reputation of a person saying things in order to get followers (MOST of the time). If you do not wish to do that, then you should realize that some people may not believe you despite if what you say is true or not, at which point you will need to decide if you care or not but it seems you do so the best thing to do is do well in a big tournament in U.S.

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

battlecow i liked your post before the edit

 

[leffen]

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>I hate how everyone uses players' personal skill rather than theoretical arguments to form opinions

>I couldn't care less about what random players think

You're a tremendous gaping ***hole, so much so that I find myself kind of liking you. I'm smiling a little bit right now and shaking my head back and forth while whistling softly. You've got spunk, kid.

First off, tournament result was the focus, not personal skill.

Secoondly,I said random players with nothing to say themselves at everyone who just flamed me instead of presenting some actuall arguments, a great example being you and Kage. Kage has better results than me yet I disregard him just as much...

 

[john!]

I really couldn't care less about what some random players with nothing to say themselves think about how I argue.

this is what i think when i read your posts

and it is rather funny how you say that player skill doesn't matter in arguments, and then cite player skill as a reason why you don't listen to others. too stupid to see the contradiction, i guess.

edit: oh he just posted. nice backpedaling. i guess when people call out your fallacies, you become nicer.

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

Um, europe having a non ****ty politcal /economic/religious view is bad now? and its in NO WAY as united and alike as USA/Canada is.

dude dont make me bring up France and their views on the Muslims in their country, or how the euro is going to **** b/c of countries like Greece and their economy. and Europe still has some pretty crazy religious views. not say America doesn't have similar problems but clearly Europe has these problems as well.

just say what u want to say about your character b/c this is Smash Boards, leave your feelings about countries and their people out of it. This is a place to talk about a video game

 

[ShroudedOne]

N.A.G.A.C.E. with the words of wisdom.

 

[Strife]

People should stop gathering up on Leffen. He's entitled to his euro pride, just as we are entitled to our American Pride.

Also Leffen you should be nicer to everyone, you can't expect anyone to believe that a historically precieved sucky character is any good because of your theory bros. Results constantly contradict theory bros and it's a large part of why the tier list is constantly changing.

 

[Battlecow]

First off, tournament result was the focus, not personal skill.

Secoondly,I said random players with nothing to say themselves at everyone who just flamed me instead of presenting some actuall arguments, a great example being you and Kage. Kage has better results than me yet I disregard him just as much...

Teehee, this is fun. Yeah, like John said, nice backpedal. Secondly, I recognize that I'll only make a fool out of myself if I try to comment on Yoshi's tournament viability, which is why I'm instead arguing about what an ***hole you are. Productive? Probably not. Entertaining? Most certainly.

Speaking of which, you're such an ******* that you have toilet paper stuck to your teeth.

Also him being entitled to Euro pride ≠ him being able to rag on America as much as he wants.

 

[V3ctorMan]

does M2k, still play Roy? I need to talk to that guy

I'll push Roy you guys... Apex..






I hope >.> but im a at least try ^^

 

[Battlecow]

You should prolly make a combo video first

full of "2-hit not even true combos (no offense vectorman)"

 

[AXE 09]

@NAGACE: North americans ARE by general more ignorant (why the hell do you think there are so many Christians? If you really don't see it then you are ignorant lol)

WTF Leffen man, seriously that's not funny

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

does M2k, still play Roy? I need to talk to that guy

I'll push Roy you guys... Apex..






I hope >.> but im a at least try ^^

i just hope you wont lose your motivation for roy after one national...
im interested in how far a bad character like roy can go

WTF Leffen man, seriously that's not funny

yeah i dont get why you imply christians as being ignorant

 

[Battlecow]

And they're off.

I swear, sometimes I'm ashamed to be swedish.

 

[Mew2King]

leffen why are christians ignorant

to be honest, I am in the middle between atheist and christian currently, but I am very open-minded on this subject so I am here to listen to any argument.

 

[Mew2King]

vectorman just talk to me on facebook.

 

[Geenareeno]

M2K RELIGION POSTS IN THE TIER LIST THREAD OH SHHIIIIIITTTTTt.

 

[Mew2King]

I seriously want to know.

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

i dont think this is the place to discuss religion LOL

 

[Grim Tuesday]

leffen why are christians ignorant

to be honest, I am in the middle between atheist and christian currently, but I am very open-minded on this subject so I am here to listen to any argument.

Because Christianity is baseless...

 

[Battlecow]

'Cause I love you, M2K, I'll give you the straight ****-

There's no reason to believe in a christian god, and there are 9001 little logic traps you can use to "disprove" his existence, so the atheists are right, but 75% of atheists are absolute ****weeds, and 55% of christians are humble, kind people, so, y'know, your choice. Fundamentally, it's a faith thing, and saying that people are "ignorant" because they decide to follow all of the great people in their life into a belief system that affirms and gives meaning to said life is, well, ignorant.

 

[Mew2King]

can you prove without a doubt that he is not real? Or is there a chance he is

and elaborate on this as much as you can please

 

[Acryte]

Theological and philosophical debates are pretty off topic unless you're talkin bout God Tier.

 

[Mew2King]

this won't take long Acryte (maybe)

 

[Mew2King]

Can you prove he is not real?

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

can you prove without a doubt that he is not real? Or is there a chance he is

and elaborate on this as much as you can please

all religions require a certain amount of faith.

 

[Mew2King]

yes I realize that, but can you prove the things that the bible and all the pe evast-events have claimed are false?

if so, which of the events from the past are false, and which have not been proven false?

(Because otherwise, both christianity and atheism stand as possibilities).

 

[Grim Tuesday]

can you prove without a doubt that he is not real? Or is there a chance he is

There is a chance that god is real.

Are you confusing Christianity with theism, by any chance?

and elaborate on this as much as you can please

Not sure what else to say, haha.

 

[Mew2King]

miracles god did I am talking about, or past events written on him

which of these have been proven (or "proven", either or) false, and which have not been proven false. That is what I am asking.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Past events written of god are no more valid than anything written down ever. Do you have examples of these miracles and proof they happened?

Long story short, it stands to reason that god could exist. However, there is no evidence to support this.

If I said to you: "M2K, I am better at Melee than you." Would you believe me?

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

yes I realize that, but can you prove the things that the bible and all the pe evast-events have claimed are false?

if so, which of the events from the past are false, and which have not been proven false?

im only a college student in New Mexico so no i can't prove it to you.
Claiming something as false is easy. Nowadays almost everything in history can be questioned. I mean there's even people who will try and convince you that the Holocaust never happened and theres more than enough proof that this happened (I.E. survivors >.> ).

 

[Zoler]

yes I realize that, but can you prove the things that the bible and all the pe evast-events have claimed are false?

if so, which of the events from the past are false, and which have not been proven false?

(Because otherwise, both christianity and atheism stand as possibilities).

Like 99% of the Bible are either stupid or has been proven false.

For example the earth being 6000 years old (it's around 3.5 billion years old IIRC?).

I'm not an expert on this matter but I think the bible goes against evolution? Which is proved right. Other things like the earth being the center of the universe...

How can you not be ignorant and believe in the Bible, at least literally believe in everything or most things in it. I see nothing wrong with being a christian and believing in God (disproving the Bible doesn't say anything about whether God exists or not, just that christianity is b*ll****).

 

[Mew2King]

The bible says the earth is 6000 years old and that the earth is the center of the universe? Really? Holy ****, wtf

 

[Grim Tuesday]

If you wanted to become a Christian, knowing whats in the bible might help xD

 

[Mew2King]

No I'm simply open-minded and am trying to listen to any argument presented. I don't claim to be greatly educated on this subject, but I wish to be so I am asking.

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

The bible says the earth is 6000 years old and that the earth is the center of the universe? Really? Holy ****, wtf

I'm not really here to argue with Atheists/non-Christians...


all i ask of you M2k is that you dont blindly believe everything that is posted and actually look things up to make sure the facts are right.

If you really want to talk about Christianity then message me on FB

LOL this:

If you wanted to become a Christian, knowing whats in the bible might help xD

 

[Acryte]

Hit me up on aim later today (Acry7e) and we can have a legit discussion m2k

 

[Zoler]

No I'm simply open-minded and am trying to listen to any argument presented. I don't claim to be greatly educated on this subject, but I wish to be so I am asking.

Well, now you know a little bit more. The stuff I mentioned is simply the tip of the iceberg. The bible has some really ****ed up **** in it.

The fundamental beliefs of christianity is pretty much insane nowadays. I don't look down on people that believe in God, but calling themselves christians, and especially if they believe the bible, often makes me think they have some brain illness.

 

[Mew2King]

hmm interesting

btw I looked it up, and only 23% of swedens believe in christianity. I am not saying you're biased, but I realize that everyone is a result of the way they were brought up mostly.

I'll come back to this thread later, but I have to study now. Mods please don't change this stuff around at least for 24 hrs.