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Official MBR 2010 NTSC Tier List
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choknater
Smash Obsessed
hahaha. i'm not so sure
anyway
strong bad i'd like to mm you if ever we meet
anyway
strong bad i'd like to mm you if ever we meet
john!
Smash Hero
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i was at genesis 2....
choknater
Smash Obsessed
i see, so was i
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way to drop the ball man step it up
choknater
Smash Obsessed
haha my bad man. i did lose to kage and eggz in mm's
ughhhhhh
i'm *** at this game
ughhhhhh
i'm *** at this game
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i only lost to hungrybox at genesis 2 mm's get better
choknater
Smash Obsessed
pretty sure i'd tap any puff out there!!!!!
I lost to Eggz too man, its ok!haha my bad man. i did lose to kage and eggz in mm's
ughhhhhh
i'm *** at this game
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
man who loses to kage
Mr Wizzrobe
Smash Journeyman
Mango. 
Mr.Jackpot
Smash Lord
No. One million no's. IC is the stupidest character ever.
GhllieShdeKnife
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wow that offended me
that wasnt even game specific
that wasnt even game specific
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not stabbedbyahippie!
choknater
Smash Obsessed
not L______!
Mr.Jackpot
Smash Lord
My opinion holds the same in Brawl too.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
ic's are sick and ****
-ShadowPhoenix-
Smash Bash
nah theyre stupid...
im Pro-ban against ICs
im Pro-ban against ICs
choknater
Smash Obsessed
i'm proban against ShadwPhoenx
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Seconded especially since he's part of the Kage phanclub. He dares to say I've done nothing for the community when obviously it's the opposite.i'm proban against ShadwPhoenx
Like they always say.. the others are a good reflection for yourself.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I've done so much for the community.
My existence makes the community a better place.
My existence makes the community a better place.
Yeah you make us look cuter
Thanks btw =)
On topic: Where do people put Puff in their own tier lists these days?
Thanks btw =)
On topic: Where do people put Puff in their own tier lists these days?
the_CAM_factor
Smash Journeyman
lower than she currently is... no way is she better than marth and sheik....
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i don't think she's better than Sheik. comparable tourney viability as Marth
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I dunno.
I don't think the top 5 have much of a power difference between them.
I don't think the top 5 have much of a power difference between them.
So you say Puff is top 5 then?
And just because the characters are all very good/possibly relatively even in potential doesn't mean some can't be better than the others. It's worth picking a side/order over anyway, in my opinion.
And just because the characters are all very good/possibly relatively even in potential doesn't mean some can't be better than the others. It's worth picking a side/order over anyway, in my opinion.
the_CAM_factor
Smash Journeyman
as for puff being top 5, im not even sure about that. we have puff falcon and even peach competing in my head for that spot and each of them has their own benefits and draw backs. hell all the chars do and makes the top of the tiers super close, atleast how i see it. {still a scrub}
Niko45
Smash Master
I still think Puff is 3rd until all the bad stages are eliminated.
More interesting is where does Peach fall. Can the best shield pressure in the game really not be top tier?
More interesting is where does Peach fall. Can the best shield pressure in the game really not be top tier?
Winston
Smash Master
^ Puff gets Brinstar I guess, but has to deal with Rainbow Cruise/Stadium counterpicks from spacies? That doesn't seem like a huge difference to me.
Peach has the best shield pressure? Are you referring to when you actually get to fair a shield? She doesn't really have a way to force that situation consistently, unlike the space animals.
I think she has losing to even matchups with the other top/high tiers in NTSC, which makes her a step below top.
Peach has the best shield pressure? Are you referring to when you actually get to fair a shield? She doesn't really have a way to force that situation consistently, unlike the space animals.
I think she has losing to even matchups with the other top/high tiers in NTSC, which makes her a step below top.
Why?
what benefits and drawbacks? You can be a scrub(improving imo), but you can also have theories that you can at least somewhat support. =)
Aren't most of the "bad" stages gone though? What about the ban we get vs her?
Maybe the best shield pressure doesn't measure up because defensive mechanics are still pretty good in Melee. Or maybe because the rest of the character is slow and has a projectile that's hard to acquire and only gets one slow shot per usage.
Mr Wizzrobe
Smash Journeyman
In my opinion top 4 should always be Fox, Sheik, Marth, Falco, not necessarily in that order. They are the characters with the most potential, the best matchups, and the most options at any given time.
the_CAM_factor
Smash Journeyman
lol pp one question at a time please, haha jk ill do my best to answer even though im not as knowledgeable as everyone else.
Puff- in my opinion puff does not belong where she does for the main reason being her matchups. she arguably has losing matchups to these chars: fox, marth, falco, ics, and of course young link. Furthermore, she has other matchups such as falcon, ganon and sheik that ive heard argued either way, to a lesser extant. puff just has alot of hard match ups as i see it, harder than the rest of the top tiers. yes she is obviously better than some of these characters but the fact exists that a majority of this cast can really mess her up. there is a reason why hbox is the only top level puff player out there currently, many emerging jiggs players drop the character simply because they use the excuse "oh that char has a good match up against me, its way too hard to win." hbox play style almost reminds me of m2ks, because he kinda just waits around and baits, waiting for that for a mistake than goes super crazy with punishes.
i believe marth and shiek have alot of potential and deserve a higher spot than her. ill expand later after ive thought about it. if im wrong about anything let me know, im willing to learn
Puff- in my opinion puff does not belong where she does for the main reason being her matchups. she arguably has losing matchups to these chars: fox, marth, falco, ics, and of course young link. Furthermore, she has other matchups such as falcon, ganon and sheik that ive heard argued either way, to a lesser extant. puff just has alot of hard match ups as i see it, harder than the rest of the top tiers. yes she is obviously better than some of these characters but the fact exists that a majority of this cast can really mess her up. there is a reason why hbox is the only top level puff player out there currently, many emerging jiggs players drop the character simply because they use the excuse "oh that char has a good match up against me, its way too hard to win." hbox play style almost reminds me of m2ks, because he kinda just waits around and baits, waiting for that for a mistake than goes super crazy with punishes.
i believe marth and shiek have alot of potential and deserve a higher spot than her. ill expand later after ive thought about it. if im wrong about anything let me know, im willing to learn
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I would put puff below sheik and above marth.
Spacies obviously taking 1 and 2 spots, sheik would get the 3rd because of her strong versatility, simple combos, strong edgeguard, ridiculous hitboxes, and basically the best overall stats in the game (weight, roll, dodge, jump, duck, speed, ect).
Puff would get the 4th in my mind because of the semi-self sufficient bair as well as rest combos. Her weaknesses really revolve around speed and certain hitbox coverages, which is something that puts her below the other 3 in my mind. Marth would get 5th because hes obviously better than peach and falcon and such. I think hes worse than puff slightly since he is very weak in the air and lacks a solid kill move outside of edgeguards.
Spacies obviously taking 1 and 2 spots, sheik would get the 3rd because of her strong versatility, simple combos, strong edgeguard, ridiculous hitboxes, and basically the best overall stats in the game (weight, roll, dodge, jump, duck, speed, ect).
Puff would get the 4th in my mind because of the semi-self sufficient bair as well as rest combos. Her weaknesses really revolve around speed and certain hitbox coverages, which is something that puts her below the other 3 in my mind. Marth would get 5th because hes obviously better than peach and falcon and such. I think hes worse than puff slightly since he is very weak in the air and lacks a solid kill move outside of edgeguards.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
In my opinion:
S:
Fox > Falco > Sheik > Marth/Jigglypuff
A:
Peach > Captain Falcon > Ice Climbers
S:
Fox > Falco > Sheik > Marth/Jigglypuff
A:
Peach > Captain Falcon > Ice Climbers
-ShadowPhoenix-
Smash Bash
I wasnt aware i had a fanboy looking at everything i posted
Why?
Just post what you think man. How else will you know how much you know or get a great chance to learn? =)
Why does losing to each of those characters you mentioned affect her so badly? Where does it put her in relation to every other higher-tiered character?
Should all puffs play like Hbox to be successful then?
Be sure to answer these types of questions when fleshing out your opinions so people can fully understand why you're saying what you are. You also develop a solid understanding and backing behind your ideas that way. =)
Why doesn't Sheik get to contest the spacies if her stats are so good?
What exactly do you mean by "semi-self sufficient bair?"
Could Puff's superior aerial mobility make up for her lack of mobility in general?
Certain hitbox coverages?
Why are these Marth weaknesses worse than Puff's weaknesses? What about tippered Fsmash as a kill move? What about comboing into a kill/gimping to make up for difficulty killing at higher %s?
Why?
choknater
Smash Obsessed
pp's questions putting people's opinions ON BLASS.
i am just glad ic's are in their own tier. very fitting for them. hahaha. such a unique character, and they force opponents to play weirdly.
i am just glad ic's are in their own tier. very fitting for them. hahaha. such a unique character, and they force opponents to play weirdly.
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Shine.
In many ways the bair protects itself. I added "semi" mid posting since thats not really true, but it can be in the right conditions
I think this is one of the reasons she is so high to begin with. Her attacks arent that exceptional themselves, but her aerial mobility really adds a lot of depth.
gaps in hitboxes. Like most characters she is weak from below and also fairly weak covering above. her strengths are covering the horizontal.
Again, these things are why marth is good to begin with, but compared to the characters above there are a lot of "ifs". The nature of marth's sword is that you are rewarded for tipping. Theres a saying I like, "that is a two person combo". Marth's sword is kinda like a two person spacing. If you know where they are going to be, you can put the tip there. If you wiff or hit with the weak part you are likely in for trouble. I feel it takes two players for the tip to hit (outside of combos).
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***** you asked me for where i thought puff was not for an essay get off my **** pay me $