john!
Smash Hero
high variance isn't related to mean, and it doesn't indicate that a character should be lower, it just means that it's a controversial character.
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Official MBR 2010 NTSC Tier List
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Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
Not standard deviation man, but my word choice isn't the best either.
character Mean difference from the closest character* is what I meant, so put that in place of Mean deviation if you want, even though it's a mouthful.
character Mean difference from the closest character* is what I meant, so put that in place of Mean deviation if you want, even though it's a mouthful.
john!
Smash Hero
yo i said marth was tough for peach a while ago and everyone was all "no way john sheik ***** her twice as hard"
Xyzz
Smash Champion
I think Armada was kinda met on the wrong footing, he had some things I think were wrong. Might be mistaken here, since I was kinda drunk about the time GFs started :D
You can DI out of side b to stuff, right?
You can DI out of side b to stuff, right?
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
PP doing well vs. Armada is proof that Sheik is an easier match-up... how...?
john!
Smash Hero
it was an example. when's the last time you saw a sheik take games off of armada?
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Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
When was the last time you saw a Fox or Jigglypuff take games off Armada?
EDIT: Wait I forgot about leffen, just Jigglypuff then
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Uh....Genesis 1 and Apex 2010 come to mind.
Mr.Jackpot
Smash Lord
Hbox completely dominated Armada in crews.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Oh I didn't see crews, fair enough then
I was going to make the point that he's drawing too much from a single match, but yeah
ShroudedOne: Goodness that was quite a while ago. Didn't Amsah take games off Armada back then?
I was going to make the point that he's drawing too much from a single match, but yeah
ShroudedOne: Goodness that was quite a while ago. Didn't Amsah take games off Armada back then?
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Genesis 1 was, but Apex 2010 was maybe 8 months after Pound 4 (where Amsah beat him). Still, you're correct, it did happen.
KrIsP!
Smash Champion
off armada's peach? Ylink hardly has business in the peach mu discussion.
Bones0
Smash Legend
Unshield - letting go of the trigger
Shield drop - dropping through the platform from a standing shield
Shai drop - dropping through the platform from a dash into shield
Forget Marth-Peach. I'm more interested in seeing how many people still think Falco-Peach is even, or, god forbid, in Falco's favor. I liked the end of one match where PP was at 100%+ and Armada was at 0%. There was literally nothing PP could have done to win that game imo. It is a 100-0 situation, and it's a situation that frequently comes up in matches. Games are won and loss by how well people are able to tack on damage after getting kills, and if you're unable to do anything to a freshly spawned Peach, I think that's a massive disadvantage.
Shield drop - dropping through the platform from a standing shield
Shai drop - dropping through the platform from a dash into shield
Forget Marth-Peach. I'm more interested in seeing how many people still think Falco-Peach is even, or, god forbid, in Falco's favor. I liked the end of one match where PP was at 100%+ and Armada was at 0%. There was literally nothing PP could have done to win that game imo. It is a 100-0 situation, and it's a situation that frequently comes up in matches. Games are won and loss by how well people are able to tack on damage after getting kills, and if you're unable to do anything to a freshly spawned Peach, I think that's a massive disadvantage.
outofphase
Smash Apprentice
i agree with bones. imo she is easily the best vs falco. she combos him to death, he combos her for 35%. her grab game>falcos grab game. she edge-guards him well, while he lucky to get significant amounts of damage from her being offstage. obviously she lives forever on some stages. dl64/fd/fod arent good for falco, ys/bf are pretty even, ps is in his favor. her float camp is solid against laser camp, and her OOS/CC game makes approaching a big risk every time. her ability to trade makes the hit and run style an uphill battle. she legitimately counters him well
Beat!
Smash Master
@Grim
Amsah took a game off Armada about half a year ago. With PAL Sheik, at that.
Marth beats Peach pretty solidly imo.
Amsah took a game off Armada about half a year ago. With PAL Sheik, at that.
Marth beats Peach pretty solidly imo.
Xzax Kasrani
Smash Master
edit - ignore
Jockmaster
Smash Ace
Here come people saying Marth beats Peach because Armada almost lost to one (a secondary at that).
What if Armada just isn't good at the Marth MU? The first set of GFs, Armada clearly didnt know how to deal with the constant pressure of the sword, especially the side bs that PP was using to get free utilts and what not. It showed in the second set, though, that Marth simply cannot deal with turnips and that he has a lot of trouble KOing Peach
What if Armada just isn't good at the Marth MU? The first set of GFs, Armada clearly didnt know how to deal with the constant pressure of the sword, especially the side bs that PP was using to get free utilts and what not. It showed in the second set, though, that Marth simply cannot deal with turnips and that he has a lot of trouble KOing Peach
Beat!
Smash Master
I've always thought Marth beats Peach, thank you very much.
And are you serious, Marth is one of Armada's best matchups.
And are you serious, Marth is one of Armada's best matchups.
lol wow, people really dislike reality.
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Marth does beat Peach haha. The IQ on smashboards has just been pretty low lately and for some reason people thought that like peach won the match-up or was higher on the tier list or something. Idk.
Jockmaster
Smash Ace
Smashboards: Where things are already decided and there is absolutely no way that MUs or player strengths could change
This thread is dumb we've already decided the MUs so the tier list is perfect /thread no more discussion
Why do I still come here...
This thread is dumb we've already decided the MUs so the tier list is perfect /thread no more discussion
Why do I still come here...
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Things can change, and everyone has an opinion. But everyone's opinion isn't equal.
Also, new tier list is complete, just waiting for a few things before I post the new thread
Also, new tier list is complete, just waiting for a few things before I post the new thread
Stevo
Smash Champion
awesome.
I like how Apex 2013 top 8 involved basically all the top 8 characters in the game according to the 2010 tier list (minus IC's and plus doc).
Although it won't be much different, I'm looking forward to seeing the next tier list.
Gea
Smash Master
Definitely year of the sheik/marth. Good stuff.
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
Especially if it uses boneslogic or its cousin inuilogic.
"The best character is whichever one wins the tournament."
"The matchup is in favour of whichever wins it in GF. "
"The best player is whichever one wins the tournament. "
"If the best player loses, they become not the best player any more."
Little England
Smash Master
Gea
Smash Master
At least maybe we can avoid things like Marth under Falcon from those people.
JPOBS
Smash Hero
So are is the community ready to admit that peach > marth yet?
Beat!
Smash Master
Absolutely not.
JPOBS
Smash Hero
*shrug*
Its 2013 guys, i don't see what the hold up is.
Its 2013 guys, i don't see what the hold up is.
Dr_Strangelove
Smash Journeyman
If the best player isn't the one who wins, please explain to me how you decide who the best player is. Counting the number of fanboys?
Also, marth > peach.
Warhawk
Smash Lord
I think you missed the point...
Xyzz
Smash Champion
Beard-length. Obviously.
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Stevo
Smash Champion
Obviously.
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
Nah, just Bones. Most people have the audacity to actually think about how those could possibly be flawed conclusions lollololol this is it right here. this is smashboards
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it's not as bad as everyone telling pp how to play marth after last night.
but probably pretty close
needs more fsmash LOL
The Star King
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^Don't you attempt to tell top players how to play all the time? Mad hypocrisy (though I agree with you).