Geenareeno
Smash Lord
Jab is sooo fast and he has really good aerials to keep people out.
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Official MBR 2010 NTSC Tier List
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Ness is...sort of slightly harder to edge guard than I thought. But I'm attributing this mostly to me being bad. His fair is actually a legitimate "anti-air" (then again, I could just be bad). I'm sort of willing to admit that I underestimated him too far.
Geenareeno
Smash Lord
No Ness' fair is so boss in P:M. You can link two of them pretty easily as well. And side-b F-smash is great. DJC tricks, stellar throws, I ****ing love Ness.
Warhawk
Smash Lord
Still talking about Project M or Melee?
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Talking about Melee.
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ledge jump invincible aerials.
Blistering Speed
Smash Champion
My list hasn't changed in two years, take notes.
Fortress | Sveet
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Falcon is better than ICs and I'm not convinced puff is 3rd
john!
Smash Hero
yo i invented the fox/falco/puff tier
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9973318&postcount=6936
besides, what's so good about a list that doesn't change? the metagame changes and so should the tier list. like, i don't think puff is third anymore...
Warhawk
Smash Lord
Even if Puff is third, she definitely doesn't deserve a tier gap between her and Sheik imo.
Blistering Speed
Smash Champion
I've not seen anything that would warrant me to change it. People's lists on here are fickle, they perceive metagame progression as a consistent trend/change in the performance of the very top echelon of players, when the actual deciding factor there is....skill of the player. It's why people jumped on the "Flacoz so broken" train after Dr PeePee improved exponentially, and it's why people are now saying potentially "Peach>Marth", because Armada is the best player in the world.
EDIT: Obviously I'm not saying the top level of play isn't relevant to tier discussion, just that there's a lot of confounding factors to consider with such a relatively narrow player base.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
i'd say falcon and ic's are about equally challenged lol.
Fortress | Sveet
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ICs have a whole bunch of problems falcon doesn't. Then again, this is coming from a fox player, maybe a marth or sheik player would think differently
Beat!
Smash Master
They're both free.
Yep.
Yep.
leffen
Smash Champion
If your tier list has not changed after all of the new techniques getting discovered/fleshed out and with such a huge change in the stagelist you are doin it wrong
KrIsP!
Smash Champion
Armada has no coutner for HBox's puff. not everybody is HBox and puff has a lot of weird match ups of which you'd think the third best character would be able to win easily. She's damn good but her speed, weight, and lack of projectiles can be used against her.
twizzlerj
Smash Journeyman
falco/fox
puff
sheik
peach/marth
puff
sheik
peach/marth
choknater
Smash Obsessed
the same can be said about falcon though. ic's don't have to deal with a lot of the things that he has trouble with.
they have a diff set of problems... but they are similar in that they have an uphill battle vs some top tiers
falcon needs to be super on point vs fox, falco, and sheik
ic's have a major struggle with peach and fox
Fortress | Sveet
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What problems does falcon have that ICs don't? ICs have a worse time OoS. Falcon doesn't get platform camped. Falcon converts 1 hit into 1 stock more efficiently. Falcon doesn't get hit once and play monkey in the middle with half of his character for the rest of the stock.
Again, this is coming from someone who plays against both characters as fox. Is it possible that is skewing my point of view?
Again, this is coming from someone who plays against both characters as fox. Is it possible that is skewing my point of view?
Bing
Smash Master
Fox
Marth
Falco
Jiggs
Sheik
Peach
Falcon
ICs
I may even so inclined to say that Jiggs and Falco are even.
Marth
Falco
Jiggs
Sheik
Peach
Falcon
ICs
I may even so inclined to say that Jiggs and Falco are even.
Wake
Smash Master
Monkey in the middle ahahaha
choknater
Smash Obsessed
it could be. ic's has a pretty bad 40:60 or 35:65 matchup vs fox.
ic's have good matchups with puff and sheik, even with falco and marth. their strengths in these matchups are very specific but i think overall they are able to set up a really solid and scary defense that these characters have to respect. they can do things falcon cant do, like projectile camp/wall, and their grab combos are arguably more devastating than his.
falcon is good for sure, but most people are just unaware of what ic's can do in their high tier matchups because it's not seen as often.
they are really really nasty to falco lol
fox whoops ic's because he can do whatever he wants to them. platform camp, or just go in and shine to separate, and get easy separation and gimps. but he is the only character that can do it that easily.
why marth at second, when was the last time a marth won anything.
Here we go again
twizzlerj
Smash Journeyman
nah this isnt going anywhere dude the whole guys marth is actually good thing never really goes anywhere
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marth's good
like 5th best or so
that's pretty good
like 5th best or so
that's pretty good
Bing
Smash Master
Whens the last time a Fox, Falco, Jiggs or Sheik won a national either
And your arguement goes out the window.
Marth only has 2 bad MU's, end of discussion.
So yeah how's life everyone?
Gentlemen, we need to all come to the agreement that results do not matter in a tier list argument.
I mean, if we just stopped and looked at Marth as a character by himself, we'd realize that this really is the best character in the game, to the point where he's almost egregiously overpowered.
His sword is long, so his spacing and mingames r 2 gud.
I mean, if we just stopped and looked at Marth as a character by himself, we'd realize that this really is the best character in the game, to the point where he's almost egregiously overpowered.
His sword is long, so his spacing and mingames r 2 gud.
Tee ay eye
Smash Hero
Fox and Falco have no bad matchups, and they win their matchups harder
Sheik's only bad matchups are like, space animals (Falco is arguably even).... and KINDA ICs just cuz Sheiks are bad against ICs
Bing
Smash Master
The only reason I put Marth over Falco is because a) I like Martth more personally lol b) the whole recovery thing...
Bones0
Smash Legend
Marth's recovery is pretty bad, bro.
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Still really amused when people call Falco's recovery bad.
john!
Smash Hero
two things make a good recovery: distance and options
falco has mediocre distance but great options
kirby is an example of a character with good distance but few options
falco has mediocre distance but great options
kirby is an example of a character with good distance but few options
i believe that a marth with perfect spacing can beat anyone. i put falco fifth cause once people can powersheild consistently i think he'll be a glorified falcon. and i think peach has more potential than even armada has tapped into. and i think puff is over rated