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I'd say
has a safer moveset then overall and kills well/dishes damage easily too. He does not kill as well as and is not as heavy, but still heavy to some degree. 's recovery may not be amazing, but it's highly versatile and can be more unpredictable then 's linear type recovery.
Keep rolling away and eventually you'll reach the edge of the stageSince Snake controls the stage ~75% of the time you it works virtually all the time.
Wait wha?
Hey I'm curious, how exactly does Wolf recover well? It's common among new players to think Wolf has one of the worst recoveries in the game, but I would for once like to hear why it's actually not bad.I'd say
But wasn't squirtle godly?
Who's to say his new downB couldn't help him recover? We have a few characters that use downB to recover currently. =)
Wasn't ZSS 'okay' until Salem proved otherwise?
Finally, someone understands!Every character sucks except MK though
Well if Marth being tough for GW is such a big deal I don't see how Squirtle being much worse at it wouldn't matter.What characters actually have a relevant GR on squirtle outside of Marth and ZSS?
Yea i'm sorry, I was just interested in a general statement and it is kinda relevant in some regard as to determining character viabilty (I guess?) so I thought here was as good a place to look as any. :/
I know snake can dash attack falco and metaknight off or gr, but the others I'm not so sure. I know everyone is in a ton of lag but some people air release too high don't they? Guess I'll check next time I feel like going to training mode
I always copy the text before I submit it, just in case something stupid happens. If there's a chance I may forget I have something copied, I open MS Word so I can copy multiple things to the MS Clipboard. I also lost a post to SWF yesterday.
DK's fair (also smashes) is faster than yours too, isn't it?
Charged punch may not have to be challenged, but do you know what the point of a deterrent is? DK doesn't have to throw it out until he feels that you're actually going to try to punish his landing? It's been this way since '64, bro. You can just write off ANY deterrent as 'well, I don't have to challenge it,' but then the deterrent is actually doing its job of shaping your actions the way the deterrer wants. 
This is where I become a little skeptical of your post, seeing as how DK is very distinguishable from other heavies in that he doesn't get juggled that hard. He has the aerial mobility, the aerials, the PAWNCH, and other specials (sideB and upB) to switch up his momentum and/or carry him to safety. He's also one of Brawl's faster fallers.
Yes, Hand Slap is DownB. Every time I'm referring to that move, I wanna abbreviate it with EQ for Earthquake, thanks to Pokemon, but then I'm afraid no one will get what EQ means, although 'Quake might be obvious enough...
Yeah, I agree. Between Charged Punch and Hand Slap, DK can really limit what Snake can do, and he doesn't necessarily have to worry about grenades either. With his airspeed, both horizontal and vertical, I don't think he's being juggled or trapped easily.There are so many contradictory things bundled up into two small paragraphs here... (-_-) You're supposed to be this "really good high-level Snake" (not necessarily according to you), but not only do you have a losing record to Will and lose to Nairo's DK, you also lose to Anti's pocket DK. Yet you still somehow firmly believe that Snake trashes DK. This isn't even "staying true to your past experiences" as Jabejazz was saying; this is just feeling your character is superior to practically everything and everyone that isn't MK. You think Snake is #2 in the game. You think he beats DDD. You think he doesn't lose to anyone that isn't MK. You think that he obliterates DK. In all of these beliefs of yours, there isn't a shred of evidence to back up your claims, I'm afraid.
Wth? Seriousy? An 8-frame grab is only a frame or two slower than most of the cast's 6 and 7 frame grabs. This is HARDLY consequential when you remember that DK has the fourth largest non-tether grab in the game. Oh, and guess what? SNAKE'S GRAB IS ALSO 8 FRAMES! So in this specific MU that we're talking about, it doesn't matter.
DK's grab out-ranges Snake's and since they're both the same speed, all I care about is having you in my effective range bubble before I'm in yours, allowing me to be able to act first and thus have even more of an advantage at mid-range. In fact, DK's running grab is a frame faster than Snake's (although his pivot grab is a frame slower).
Idk what game you're playing but he definitely can't dash attack Jiggs or Olimar out of air release XD
A smart DDD actually doesn't get juggled that hard. Between multiple aerial jumps, the fastest FF in the game, a super disjointed dair, an equally disgusting bair, a decent nair to land with, and Inhale (allowing a few B-reverse shenanigans that Coney honestly only opened the door to), we have a bunch of good tools for getting down. The problem is that a lot of players make bad calls, like landing with dair's landing lag when the move should be AC'd, Inhaling in sub-optimal situations, using DDD's jumps and FFing in a very predictable manner, etc.
I mean, he could just continually B-reverse the charge cancels, like, 10 different times in one span of airtime.
I responded with this
And then you respond telling me how good DDD is at avoiding juggles
Remember how I made it a point to to only bring in videos from at most, more or less, 1.5 years ago? This video is from 3 years ago. Will has been making MAJOR improvements in just the past year alone and Will is also a much better DK than Cable. That's all I'm going to say in regards to this.
You mean to tell me that DK can't kill Snake below 100% with a Punch hard read? That doesn't seem right. DDD definitely can with an uncharged fsmash super hard read, and I feel that DK's punch is even stronger than that, but maybe I'm overestimating the punch a little.
It's like DK can't just pick you up and jump out of the immediate vicinity with you.
DDD doesn't have DK's mobility. Nor does his ftilt kill like that punch does. If you're grenade camping all day, it shouldn't be a problem to easily charge another one whenever I expend it. Also, as I said before, winning at neutral does not equal winning the whole MU. If a couple reads at neutral can accomplish what it took you several reads and a lot of time to do (taking a stock, that is), then the neutral game is 'overriden', so to speak.How the heck is that (kinda serious question here)? The downB makes a bunch of hitboxes along the ground. Snake lands and suffers landing lag (meaning he CAN'T shield before the downB hits him if he does indeed land). Landing caught. Problem?
From what I've observed (could be wrong, mostly, but this is what I've seen the times I've watched this MU), DK can just selectively use it when he has Snake trapped on the ledge. There's nowhere to roll to. It's even worse if Snake somehow manages to end up knocked down in that situation 'cause then DK has his own little 'Buuman trap'.Just shield it, then roll away. DK's down B is only a threat to Snake if he spotdodges, which is pretty superfluous against DK in the first place.
