Wo, what BS have I woken up too today. I would like to point out that what desu says is BS. All he does is troll and insult people for his own enjoyment with the help of his minion. None should have responded to him. Though I can take advantage of this. Leads me to educate by correcting the stupid nonsense this dude has been spilling for a few pages. and makes me look good. Just by past his post. He will get bored like a typical troll and move on.
Now to make something real clear. There is NO Float Canceling in Peach. Jumping and then floating is NOT float canceling for those that may be confused. Float canceling is when you float with an air attack and land to suffer no lag. So in melee Peach had not much need to L cancel cause of this. In brawl there is none. And here is how to prove it
Peach fair is the only air attack she has that can actually lag if you fall at the wrong time. Ground Float with Peach and as she brings her arms down, touch the floor and mash jab. Peach will suffer some heavy lag and no jab will come out.
Now with that out the way:
I'll go for a grab from Peach's fair like that if I were certain the height at which she did it / it's been relatively staled hence skewing Peach's advantage to little. Just holding shield longer will tend to make the Peach also wait longer (or do things more awkwardly) than previously, in which case, sure I'll grab/attack~
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If I fair you can NOT grab me. You are going to get slap. You really wanna know why you get away with this. If Peach fairs a lil early, she will not touch the floor in time to AC. By the time she does, it be too late to Jab before grabs. You have to fair at a point that when you hit shield, you AC and gain advantage where people can't attack nor grab. You are not grabbing a spaced times fair.
Holding shield longer does nothing. There is a time upon falling where Peach much fair to keep her AC on point. Or else it will be off by a few frames and have you thinking countering it is legit. This does not work AT ALL. This rule for Peach can not be negated. its the way her move works. Once again you can't before a jab comes out unless you are Marth with an up-B or Powershield.
Ice Climbers can grab it? I doubt that.
No, and its worst for them since their grab window is short. Fair is a move that needs to be done on point. if you are mashing fair and not timing your landing with it, you are risking keeping yourself safe from shield. This be the main reason people get grabs on her and actually think they can. if you it correctly, there is not a single character in this game that can grab her before a jab. No matter how many times they get slapped, they keep trying cause they just hoping they get it.
Peach's Fair does not kill middle weights at 130%, if you Di it properly a fresh Fair from the Center of FD does not kill Marth when he's hit at 145%, This is done with regular Di to the top corner + fast falling.
Peach shouldn't be killing middle weights and heavy weights before 150%, she does, your Di sucks.
If you're talking about light characters, I can see 130% possibly happening from the centre of the stage, but not on heavies/ middle weights. D3 and Snake can survive her Fair at 200% from the centre.
However, if you're closer to the blast lines, obviously it will kill earlier.
With Peach's Fair if you do ground float Fair -> AC it's 0 on block, but if you do it while still falling, you're able to buffer the grab and grab her as she lands.
There is something you need to understand. Stage position matters with kills. if I land a attack that is suppose to kill someone at 100% and I am at the other side of the stage when I hit them, they will not die cause They are being launched to the other side of the stage, away from the death zone. So being this center stage talk means nothing, cause this applies to EVERYONE with horizontal kills.
And you are not grabbing a space fair. You are out of reach and will get hit. People have tried this on me. And its because of people like you that all tend to try and grab me in a situation they have no control all. Buffer of not. And if you even think Buffering a grab after you block fair, wont do anything ether. We both still move at the same time. You buffer grab, I buffer jab, you lose.
Marth still lives at 140% at the ledge of FD with a fresh Fair.
You really are one of the worst troll I ever seen. This is how low one would go to troll people? Say stupid stuff like this when common sense would point the obvious? And the fact that you tested this? That's also a lie. Its impossible to DI that at 140. So not only are you one of the worst trolls I have ever met, but also a very dense liar.
Actually.
Peach's Fair auto cancels on Frame 20.
And hits from 16 - 19.
Her short hop is in the air for 51 frames, meaning if you Short Hop Fair, you're still going to fall for another 32 frames, meaning you miss the auto cancel window.
Hm.. 32 frames of falling, okay.
Now.. if you fast fall, she's still in the air for 24 frames after the Fair hitbox ends.
Hm.. 24 frames of falling, okay.
Now if you do Fair 20 frames before landing, you get 0 on block.
Which is why float cancelling is useful because it basically makes you AC Fair on frame 20, allowing for the 0 on Block.
Now, here's your frame data. I'm showering.
If Peach faired as she short hop, there is no way she gain any advantage on block, she is completely open. If Peach jumped/flaoat, then faired AS SHE IS ABOUT TO TOUCH THE FLOOR, That's how she gains advantages on block. Was this not known in terms of being safe and auto canceling moves?
Where are you going with this?
Peach's fair on shield is advantageous to Peach if she AC's correctly.
Damage 14, hitlag 1, damage on frame 16, AC on frame 20.... that's like 10 frames of shield advantage, you should not be getting shield grabbed unless you put the controller down.
It isn't 0 on block, it's like +10, IIRC. Try it out in debug, lol.
0 on block dude.
If Peach fairs my shield I'd probably roll into her and Rest if she tried to capitalize
love having a frame 1 move :3
Glad you brought this up. I said yesterday that If Peach was to fair shield that people could not side step cause they are open for 2 frames before they are invincible. C.J brought to my attention that this is false. They are only open for 1. I made this mistake cause I got it confused with rolls. Some characters have rolls were they are open for 2 frames before being invincible. Peach is one of them. I think this is the average window. if so, You cant roll. You would get hit out of it. But I'm gonna check just to make sure.
Heh heh-heh. This was too easy.