Official BBR Tier List v5

[Deleted member]

KB has put a lot of work into playing Wolf, so it's not like he doesn't know the character. I've never played his Peach myself with Wolf, though. The only time I fought him in tournament(which was when I was still pretty new to competitive Brawl), he went Sheik. Maybe that's saying something?

But yeah, I'd agree that Wolf doesn't really have a hard time against Peach and put it in his favor.

 

[Albert.]

I could see Ganondorf beating Peach

Clearly ganondorf DOES beat peach

Ganon can just spam jab, right?

 

[John12346]

Maybe if he could make his DownB move horizontally in the air... >___ >;

 

[Browny]

101010101010

To be fair, he doesnt really debate since that implies a proper argument with rebuttals etc, not rants.

I could see Ganondorf beating Peach

Dash attack/uair trades with or beats everything she has and he kills like 140% earlier each stock respectively, Its possible.

 

[Albert.]

Actually-

VIDEO EVIDENCE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omYsx_mixe4

Concrete stuff

 

[Abel1994]

Wasnt Jigg ment to be a fake char who people dont like :3


She die by a shield breaker so I thought of it

 

[Kewkky]

Actually-

VIDEO EVIDENCE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omYsx_mixe4

Concrete stuff

I'll say this before Dark.Pch says it, because it's true:

PeachKid played that match SO bad, like... Man, so many bad decisions! Who approaches with sideB? Why roll under Ganondorf? Why attack his downB head-on (like charging his fsmash) instead of from above? sdfdsafadsfa good thing that match is almost a year old.

 

[Gadiel_VaStar]

To be fair, matchups are supposed to be based on player's of equal skill level. It's pointless to base a matchup value if one player is a lot better than the rest. That's why matchups in this community are so messed up :/

It's also hard to see who is better than who, and especially by how much. I guess tournaments are the best way to go for that matter, but besides that, I don't see how one can judge who is better/equal to what player and by how much. I mean how can you judge who's better? What types of qualities would you compare, especially @ mid-high level play that I think the majority of tournament players are at.

 

[Abel1994]

To be fair, matchups are supposed to be based on player's of equal skill level. It's pointless to base a matchup value if one player is a lot better than the rest. That's why matchups in this community are so messed up :/

It's also hard to see who is better than who, and especially by how much. I guess tournaments are the best way to go for that matter, but besides that, I don't see how one can judge who is better/equal to what player and by how much. I mean how can you judge who's better? What types of qualities would you compare, especially @ mid-high level play that I think the majority of tournament players are at.

/
But but but what about a nebie olima vs you as a ganon?

 

[Orion*]

I could see Ganondorf beating Peach

Me to actually >_> which is kinda sad.

 

[Jimmyfosho]

But you can see into the future. So it must be true.

 

[Moozle]

I've played DLA a bunch of times, and the only thing that a Peach player has to really worry about is dash attack. If they are good at spacing and using turnips, the matchup isn't very hard. As long as the Peach player isn't dumb and makes sure not to float a lot, Ganon doesn't have many options to stop her. Plus it's really easy to gimp him with turnips. DLA told me that if I approach, he wins, and if I don't approach, I win. I think that's true for most of Ganon's matchups though ^^

 

[Dark.Pch]

Hahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa!!!

People tend to seriously never get what I am trying to say and then tranfer it to a chain of jokes. I sit here and just die laughing at this community. This is why I gave up debating around here. This olace has like barely no legit people. Just post and get kudos from other people around here to stand out. A-maze-ing

You giys think and say what you want. This shows me how much time I wasted around here for nearly three years. And why character meta games don't really go anywhere.

Oh and hell yea Ganon could beat Peach. He actually should be cause of what people said here. People is terrible. Next tier list, please bring her down. Make her low tier please. That way I can host low tier tournies and win them. She really is that bad.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Are we really talking about this?

Peach, pull a turnip and shield. Congratulations, you've successfully shut down any and all of Ganondorf's approaches.

This matchup is pretty damn hard for Ganondorf if Peach just plays it safe the entire time. Glide toss movement is too much for Ganondorf to deal with by itself, not including edgeguarding, general attack speed, and nice shield pressure.

 

[Dark.Pch]

Relfex leave it alone. These people just wanna make jokes to sound funny and be one with the crowd alone. Then start a chain. Let it go and think what they wan't it it not worth debating. And next teir list, please bring Peach down. she is so bad.

 

[Espy Rose]

Reflex, how can you not see the sarcasm in those posts?

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Reflex, how can you not see the sarcasm in those posts?

Glanced over them in passing. I have very little sleep after a tournament and an otherwise exciting weekend. Just got home. I don't appear to be in the best of shape.

Also, my policy is to treat posts that I'm not sure about as serious. Lapse of judgment in that, I guess. Better to be nice and get trolled than to disregard a serious question.

 

[Technodeath]

My eyes hurt every time I look at Dark.Pch's posting.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Ganon > peach

 

[Orion*]

Hahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa!!!

People tend to seriously never get what I am trying to say and then tranfer it to a chain of jokes.

-dead-

Are we really talking about this?

Peach, pull a turnip and shield. Congratulations, you've successfully shut down any and all of Ganondorf's approaches.

This matchup is pretty damn hard for Ganondorf if Peach just plays it safe the entire time. Glide toss movement is too much for Ganondorf to deal with by itself, not including edgeguarding, general attack speed, and nice shield pressure.

Why cant ganon just walk forward and powershield

 

[Flayl]

Anybody up for converting the matchup chart into a weighted matchup tier list?

 

[san.]

Characters considered -1 against MK should definitely be much higher if that occurred.

 

[WindMajor]

Anybody up for converting the matchup chart into a weighted matchup tier list?

It's already been done. Check the 2nd post of the matchup chart under more statistics.

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

Anybody up for converting the matchup chart into a weighted matchup tier list?

Well, if you take the average match up score that characters have, try to order them based on the average match up number thingy and then try to split them into tiers...the list would possibly look something like this

Spoiler

Link to average MU score v1.0 list
S:

A:
B:

C:
D:
E:

F:
G:
H:

Of course, this list probably doesn't work since Ganondorf isn't in G tier weight to important match ups isn't used and I'm not sure if the tier divides work out properly so...yea

You'd could try setting a number of 'points' on charactes and have more points on important Mu's but then you have to define 'important' MU's...

 

[Flayl]

It's already been done. Check the 2nd post of the matchup chart under more statistics.

You missed the part where I said weighted.

 

[WindMajor]

My mistake.

 

[Eddie G]

KB has put a lot of work into playing Wolf, so it's not like he doesn't know the character. I've never played his Peach myself with Wolf, though. The only time I fought him in tournament(which was when I was still pretty new to competitive Brawl), he went Sheik. Maybe that's saying something?

But yeah, I'd agree that Wolf doesn't really have a hard time against Peach and put it in his favor.

I hope you didn't take it as me underestimating you, I actually use Sheik at a pretty competent level. I've used her on Blue's Wario more than once before, among other things.

 

[Tagxy]

It's already been done. Check the 2nd post of the matchup chart under more statistics.

I think that list is incorrect anyways. Based on the MUs they have marth should be way higher then ICs, and diddy should be above pika.

 

[Nic64]

I'll say this before Dark.Pch says it, because it's true:

PeachKid played that match SO bad, like... Man, so many bad decisions! Who approaches with sideB? Why roll under Ganondorf? Why attack his downB head-on (like charging his fsmash) instead of from above?

You say that PeachKid chose bad options as if Peach possessed good ones




Future tier list

 

[Steam]

Characters considered -1 against MK should definitely be much higher if that occurred.

way too many characters are considered -1...

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

i love how so many people were saying that DDD will have the best match ups in the tier list discussion. like i said then....
lol

there are several characters with better match ups especially against the characters that MATTER as opposed to ****** only mid low and low. hell he has more negative matchups than alot of characters in like mid tier-mid high let alone other high tiers (albeit they may not outright **** the guys who don't matter as hard)

lol

edit: idk why but i do ever so love to troll threads like this and the new mu chart and such. it's just so easy too it's insane. seriously i hate trolling when it comes to other threads but since all these threads are speculation and fact wrapped up together it just makes it so easy. and there are always responses in these threads too, so chortle worthy

 

[Z'zgashi]

 

[adumbrodeus]

Actually-

VIDEO EVIDENCE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omYsx_mixe4

Concrete stuff

Somebody needs to learn to landing trap Ganondorf.


seriously.


Srry man, though to be fair most people approach that MU horribly when they first fight a good Ganondorf, he's definately a skill-gate character.

 

[Spelt]

You say that PeachKid chose bad options as if Peach possessed good ones




Future tier list

you are a horrible troll.

 

[zeldasmash]

Link is so underrated. If Link had more attention into improving his metagame, his matchups would not be that horrible. R.I.P Link's awesomeness.

 

[Chuee]

Link is so underrated. If Link had more attention into improving his metagame, his matchups would not be that horrible. R.I.P Link's awesomeness.

Link sucks.
Get used to it.

 

[-Mars-]

DId you know that if you press Z while in the air...you can use Links clawshot????

 

[Dark.Pch]

Link is so underrated. If Link had more attention into improving his metagame, his matchups would not be that horrible. R.I.P Link's awesomeness.

people to busy waiting money at any cost and playing gay as hell to care about advancing metagames.

 

[Yikarur]

Links Metagame is actually SO advanced thanks to Izaw and friends, what do you want more?

 

[zeldasmash]

Yeah but still.....those matchups are just so terrible. Link needs more.......than just THAT.