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[Spelt]

 

[Delta-cod]

Le gasp

Maybe I should Fsmash more often in that matchup or something, then? D:

I refuse to tell you how to be gayer against Yoshi!

 

[John12346]

Gawd, just use MK against me, forget Yoshay

Besides, I've picked up a few new moves since we last battled. ;p

 

[-Mars-]

Confirmed that Spelt doesn't understand this game.


Shield is amazing in Brawl.

 

[Nic64]

Good but not amazing, overusing it is certainly abuseable

Except Diddy : (

 

[-Mars-]

Well obviously.

But powershielding consistently is really good in this game. Also getting grabbed is not near as bad as it was in melee where like Fox could uthrow>uair rinse and repeat whereas in Brawl somebody throws you and the majority of the time they don't have a guaranteed followup.

 

[Spelt]

lol no follow ups, have you heard of chain grabs? anyone important either has them or gets ***** by them.


you're right, grabs definitely suck in brawl.




and i also wasn't factoring in powershielding, which is an entirely different subject by itself.

 

[Nic64]

Oh ****, MK isn't important anymore

 

[Spelt]

pikachu would like to have a word with you.

 

[DMG]

Marth
Fox
Doc
Ganon
Mario
Luigi
Shiek
Falcon
DK
Yoshi
M2
IC's

Let's play mvc3

 

[-Mars-]

Mk has a chaingrab Spelt? News to me.

Also I didn't say grabs sucked. Just aren't as powerful as they were in melee since there are few guaranteed setups out of them.

 

[Seagull Joe]

Mk has a chaingrab Spelt? News to me.

Also I didn't say grabs sucked. Just aren't as powerful as they were in melee since there are few guaranteed setups out of them.

He does on Ness and Lucas out of GR .

Spoiler

, but so does everyone.

 

[Z'zgashi]

lol no follow ups, have you heard of chain grabs? anyone important either has them or gets ***** by them.

Aside from ICies and D3 (who technically isnt even that important due to lack of popularity), how many 'popular characters have CGs that are a threat at all damages?

you're right, grabs definitely suck in brawl.

They dont all suck, they're just not as good as in melee.

and i also wasn't factoring in powershielding, which is an entirely different subject by itself.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!! How in the ****ING HELL can they be different?! Powershielding involves usimg your SHIELD and even has the word SHIELD in it!! In fact, when people say, 'use shield', most of the time they mean powershield.

 

[Spelt]

Mk has a chaingrab Spelt? News to me.

Aside from ICies and D3 (who technically isnt even that important due to lack of popularity), how many 'popular characters have CGs that are a threat at all damages?

oh my god you guys suck at reading.

your fallacies do not amuse me. try again when you can actually keep an argument on topic, and don't degrade it down to semantics.

Let's play mvc3

I agree.

 

[DMG]

add me

Drmarioguy

I'll still play you even if you're a *** and run something gay.

 

[Spelt]

DMG? Complaining about gayness? What has this world come to?!

 

[DMG]

Not a complain, but a statement of acceptance.

 

[Steam]

dat level 3 X factor Sentinel.

 

[fkacyan]

MvC3

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

zucco

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Changed my mind, I think ZSS/Peach is even or ZSS wins, by a little.

WERQ

 

[Dark.Pch]

Oh I wonder what lead to that change

 

[da K.I.D.]

oh, speaking of dark. I meant to talk to you about that conversation that you had with seagull.

He was saying that he thinks wolf has an advantage on peach, and part of his argument for that was the fact that he beat 3 of the top peach mains either in money matches or in tourney matches at pound.

In responce to this, you replied saying that the 3 people he played didnt play the matchup correctly.

Now, what you said MAY OR MAY NOT be true. but the way I see it, is that the fact of the matter is that if between 3 of the best peach players, they couldnt come up with a style or strategy that would beat his wolf. then i think hes right and that wolf has an advantage in the matchup.

You say that if peach applys different tactics then the matchup becomes even. but thats really kind of irrelavent because for all intents and purposes, youre saying that the matchup is even if peach does things that none of the people who play her do. If the matchup requires such a vast change in tactics and playstyle that nobody can effectively do it, then that says to me that it doesnt matter what would happen if those techs were implemented because nobody can or is doing it.

 

[Albert.]

WOAH

HOLY ****ing **** BARNACLES

Did somebody just use... ****ing... LOGIC in a post on smashboards?!

Woahhhh

10surprising surprises.

 

[Browny]

Its a pity though, coz that logic will be wasted like always. inbe4 a 1000 word rant about why it is still even, despite never addressing any of the real worl points kid brought up.

 

[Albert.]

Its a pity though, coz that logic will be wasted like always. inbe4 a 1000 word rant about why it is still even, despite never addressing any of the real worl points kid brought up.

Maybe his internet's down or something and that's why he hasn't replied yet

o_O

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

Wolf has an advantage. Nothing ridiculous or huge but an advantage all the same. Bair is ew, Wolf's weight is bleh, Shine is silly and Fair/D Smash are eek
So yea, he has an advantage although I can't help but raise a few eyebrows (aka all 2) at Peach's Float getting intercepted by lasers ( Are you talking about recovery or onstage?) and at Peach killing with Uair - I'd argue it wasn't one of her primary kill moves, especially against Wolf because he falls so fast (not going to get many chances for a Uair) and Peach might use it for a Uair string if she gets the chance + she'll probably get a Uair in after a Dair or something and Uair sucks at killing when its stale, even after its refreshed with moves. I'd be more inclined to space a Fair (surprise surprise) or try get Wolf offstage and gimp with a Turnip

That reminds me, where are your matches Seagull? I can't find them


Hilarious fact - Peach's D Smash beats out Wolf's D Smash
70:30 +5 MU

 

[Kaffei]

WOAH

HOLY F***ing S*** BARNACLES

Did somebody just use... f***ing... LOGIC in a post on smashboards?!

Woahhhh

10surprising surprises.

u ge y

 

[Abel1994]

IS wario really that good? I never played a wario like really good before so idk :/

u ge y

NO U

 

[DMG]

Top 5/Top 8 in the game depending on who you ask.

 

[Orion*]

a week ago you talked about relative good ratios of that match-up! ._.

this LOLOLOLOL

But shielding is supposed to be for defense.

Not really. I legit only approached with dash shield a little more than a year ago and could still **** people >_>...

Mind you I rarely approached ever but you know what I mean.

characters flat out losing to shield is an overstatement.

Are you sure we are playing the same game?

oh, speaking of dark. I meant to talk to you about that conversation that you had with seagull.

He was saying that he thinks wolf has an advantage on peach, and part of his argument for that was the fact that he beat 3 of the top peach mains either in money matches or in tourney matches at pound.

In responce to this, you replied saying that the 3 people he played didnt play the matchup correctly.

Now, what you said MAY OR MAY NOT be true. but the way I see it, is that the fact of the matter is that if between 3 of the best peach players, they couldnt come up with a style or strategy that would beat his wolf. then i think hes right and that wolf has an advantage in the matchup.

You say that if peach applys different tactics then the matchup becomes even. but thats really kind of irrelavent because for all intents and purposes, youre saying that the matchup is even if peach does things that none of the people who play her do. If the matchup requires such a vast change in tactics and playstyle that nobody can effectively do it, then that says to me that it doesnt matter what would happen if those techs were implemented because nobody can or is doing it.

****

 

[fkacyan]

Changed my mind, I think ZSS/Peach is even or ZSS wins, by a little.

WERQ

Nope.

10nopes.

 

[Seagull Joe]

Wolf has an advantage. Nothing ridiculous or huge but an advantage all the same. Bair is ew, Wolf's weight is bleh, Shine is silly and Fair/D Smash are eek
So yea, he has an advantage although I can't help but raise a few eyebrows (aka all 2) at Peach's Float getting intercepted by lasers ( Are you talking about recovery or onstage?) and at Peach killing with Uair - I'd argue it wasn't one of her primary kill moves, especially against Wolf because he falls so fast (not going to get many chances for a Uair) and Peach might use it for a Uair string if she gets the chance + she'll probably get a Uair in after a Dair or something and Uair sucks at killing when its stale, even after its refreshed with moves. I'd be more inclined to space a Fair (surprise surprise) or try get Wolf offstage and gimp with a Turnip

That reminds me, where are your matches Seagull? I can't find them


Hilarious fact - Peach's D Smash beats out Wolf's D Smash
70:30 +5 MU

I recorded my MM's with Nicole and King Beef. They're on my channel:

www.youtube.com/user/jraucher

 

[Dark.Pch]

oh, speaking of dark. I meant to talk to you about that conversation that you had with seagull.

He was saying that he thinks wolf has an advantage on peach, and part of his argument for that was the fact that he beat 3 of the top peach mains either in money matches or in tourney matches at pound.

In responce to this, you replied saying that the 3 people he played didnt play the matchup correctly.

Now, what you said MAY OR MAY NOT be true. but the way I see it, is that the fact of the matter is that if between 3 of the best peach players, they couldnt come up with a style or strategy that would beat his wolf. then i think hes right and that wolf has an advantage in the matchup.

You say that if peach applys different tactics then the matchup becomes even. but thats really kind of irrelavent because for all intents and purposes, youre saying that the matchup is even if peach does things that none of the people who play her do. If the matchup requires such a vast change in tactics and playstyle that nobody can effectively do it, then that says to me that it doesnt matter what would happen if those techs were implemented because nobody can or is doing it.

These people gave wolf the reason he would get easy hits and kills. if they was not to and still lose I Not care. But I am not gonna believe something like that if you are really just gonna rush at a character that destroys you for it. Let me go Beat every peach with Ganon and say gonan has a slight advantage over here. if I see that these Peaches wanna come at me all the time and not breath. or doing the same thing to where I can punish easy with ganon, I am not gonna sit here and be like "lolololol I just stomp the top three with ganon, so he wins and should go up on the list"

Being one of the best with your character does not mean you know it all or do things right. And people tend to think thats what it means. Or have this mindset in their heads. it just means, out of a group of people that play the same character as you, you are one of the better ones. This does not mean you are on pro status and know it all with match ups.

I'm really not gonna get into a debate about this. But I saw how these matches went. Aside from Excel. I am not suprised that excel lost to him cause he is aggressive. Wolf is having a field day with that. Nicole can't do Wolf and idk what KB story is, he can speak for himself on that.

I said this before and I will say it again, beating a top peach does not mean anything. Yes it is said and **** up, but it is true. And hell yea I am included in that mess too. And reasons why is for stuff like this.

Now you or anyone else don't have to agree with me.i am not here to change peoples minds at all. believe what you want and think what you want. i'm just chillin.

 

[Steam]

ITT: peachkid johns.

IMO Lucario beats snake. Lucarios just don't play the matchup right. Ally beating Trela was a fluke.

 

[fkacyan]

Dark Peach you need to drop that stitchface plush, every post you make its like that thing is ramming into your crotch or something.

Nuts at killing % all the time, seriously lay off that.

 

[Browny]

These people gave wolf the reason he would get easy hits and kills. if they was not to and still lose I Not care. But I am not gonna believe something like that if you are really just gonna rush at a character that destroys you for it. Let me go Beat every peach with Ganon and say gonan has a slight advantage over here. if I see that these Peaches wanna come at me all the time and not breath. or doing the same thing to where I can punish easy with ganon, I am not gonna sit here and be like "lolololol I just stomp the top three with ganon, so he wins and should go up on the list"

This is pretty much sig-worthy

 

[LanceStern]

I think Wolf has a very slight advantage over Peach.

he walls her hard with that stupid bair and even some fairs. His mobility on and off the ground makes him getting inside of (or away from) Peach easy. His moves have very high prioritya nd are very quick. And it's hard for Peach to KO him.

With that said, I beat a random Wolf 2-0 in my local tourney and feel I know the matchup well enough to beat any wolf. LOL

Seagull we are almost int he same region, if I ever see you lets MM

 

[Seagull Joe]

I think Wolf has a very slight advantage over Peach.

he walls her hard with that stupid bair and even some fairs. His mobility on and off the ground makes him getting inside of (or away from) Peach easy. His moves have very high prioritya nd are very quick. And it's hard for Peach to KO him.

With that said, I beat a random Wolf 2-0 in my local tourney and feel I know the matchup well enough to beat any wolf. LOL

Seagull we are almost int he same region, if I ever see you lets MM

Beating a random Wolf is a very bad concept of knowing a matchup @___@...

And you're from California. I'm all the way on the other side of the country in Maryland. How are we almost in the same region?????

And I'd MM you of course.

 

[Albert.]

"two paragraphs debating"

i'm really not gonna get into a debate about this.

"another three paragraphs debating"

101010101010

 

[Nic64]

I could see Ganondorf beating Peach