Official BBR Tier List v5

[Dark 3nergy]

yes you've seen him play yet you havent played him yourself see where the problem is in this convo

you'll see why ike moved up when you play him

 

[MKOwnage]

yes you've seen him play yet you havent played him yourself see where the problem is in this convo

you'll see why ike moved up when you play him

I've beaten extremely good Ikes locally with Jigglypuff. Maybe you have issues with the MU.

 

[Ripple]

san and others proven that they are not just massive outliers. Ike is a fully capable low mid tier character

 

[Poltergust]

You should be able to understand where I'm going with my post's simplicity in regards to his questions.

Not really. Are you saying that some Yoshis have a defeatist mindset?

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

@poltregust

I think that's exactly where he's going.

 

[MKOwnage]

san and others proven that they are not just massive outliers. Ike is a fully capable low mid tier character

Using a char with good air mobility in the MU still helps a ton.

 

[Ripple]

Using a char with good air mobility in the MU still helps a ton.

not really, more like if a char has a good punish/defensive/gimp game helps a lot.

 

[bigman40]

Not really. Are you saying that some Yoshis have a defeatist mindset?

Some Yoshi's can't get past the fact that even though his shield is bad, he has options to stay away from being forced to shield (save for a few match-ups). Even then, when Yoshi shields, being hit resets the field because of the extra slide from rolling during the pushback. Correct reads equal to either jabs (to get them out of our face), down-b, or a pivot grab.

The worst placement Yoshi can be is when he's shielding while someone is just sitting behind him. He's disadvantaged at this spot the most since every option is cut off. However, the only possible option he can do (and this is limited but still more viable than anything else) is letting go of his shield is cutting the cooldown animation with a spotdodge. This creates a rock, paper, scissors game in where we our only benefit is resetting the field (or possibly getting in a hit if they make a dumb enough move). Other than that, his shield is unorthodox, but manageable.

Those people have a fairly poor mindset and can't think outside the box to manage weaknesses.

Spoiler

Tl;dr - Yes.

 

[Poltergust]

Ah, that's basically what I posted earlier. Great minds think alike, huh? =P

Yeah, Yoshi would obviously be a better character if he could jump out of shield, but one of the traits of being a true Yoshi main is to overcome his weaknesses and turn them into strengths (like rolling while shielding after being hit, or knowing his heavy-armor percentages so that he can counter attacks that try to hit him).

Just complaining won't do you or anyone else good.

 

[Enzo]

Using a char with good air mobility in the MU still helps a ton.

cause Back-air you my ery'thing

 

[Z'zgashi]

We can shiled drop on platforms though :D

Yaaaaay for situational advantages!

 

[Poltergust]

Everyone can shield-drop on platforms... it's just that no one told us until a couple of months ago that Yoshi could do it, too.

 

[stingers]

do you mean drop through the platform while shielding? every character can do that...>.>

grr polt ninja

 

[Kool Aid]

I've played vinnie before in tourney and won :/ (no offence to him) but gnw vs pit is pretty even if you can get pass turtle. and i believe i beat minty

this is just for people who say i'm only doing good because theres no marths/gnws

no hate :!

 

[Z'zgashi]

Exactly, but no one esle (well besides mk and maybe 3 others) would be as dangerous as yoshi would out of shiled

 

[Poltergust]

It's nice dreaming about it and all, but we know it can't happen. We have to make due with what we have.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Just imagine, JC egg lay out of shield... *sigh*

 

[Ripple]

dragonic reverse OOS to f-smash.

It would be as if yoshi power shielded every single hit

 

[vVv Rapture]

Just imagine, being able to do everything everyone else does out of shield...*sigh*

Fixed for accuracy.

 

[bigman40]

Dreaming the impossible only makes you a fool. Dreaming and attempting the possible is what people should be going for. Hell, even if Yoshi has the same properties as everyone else in terms of Powershielding, he'd actually have a good OoS game. Yet, the game doesn't allow this. So, you get over it, move on, and attempt to work with what you have.


Yes Polt; Great minds do think alike. Also get skype dammit.

 

[Poltergust]

Don't you need a webcam for Skype? (Not that I'd know since I never went there)

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

There's a little too much talk about who is playing what character for my taste. The thing you guys have to realize is that a lot of tournament results are just popularity. You complain that only a few people do well with Pikachu, but what does that even mean? To me, all it means is that Pikachu is unpopular, but the success of the few is a nice demonstration that he can perform... though we have to always remember that skill gaps exist between players and that some characters can lack any good representation at all (especially low tiers). We have tournament statistics for the purpose of telling us what the current metagame is, but to me, a tier list is meant to represent how good the characters actually are to the best of our knowledge (which is theoretically independent of the current metagame). We can look at tournament results to inform us of certain things and certain possibilities and of course as a sanity check, but we have to rely on intuition and logic in the end to judge the merits of the characters. A big part of that is accepting that what we see in tournaments is just a random splattering with most player results being dictated by skill and character quality being a far secondary factor and that therefore we just can't get too caught up in who is doing what and how many and exactly how well.

 

[vVv Rapture]

Don't you need a webcam for Skype? (Not that I'd know since I never went there)

Webcam, built-in webcam, built-in mic, external mic. Whatever gets you audio and/or video.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Don't you need a webcam for Skype? (Not that I'd know since I never went there)

Only to use video/voicechat.

 

[Poltergust]

I don't have anything like that. XD

Oh well, I'll just stick to Meebo.

 

[bigman40]

Don't you need a webcam for Skype? (Not that I'd know since I never went there)

Yoshis don't chat using video chat. We only use it for text and/or audio chatting. Why would I ask you to get skype if you needed a webcam? lol

All you need is a mic in case you want to actually talk. That's it.

 

[hadesblade]

Yoshis don't chat using video chat. We only use it for text and/or audio chatting. Why would I ask you to get skype if you needed a webcam? lol

All you need is a mic in case you want to actually talk. That's it.

We haven't had a voice chat in forever... its like all text xD.

 

[Kewkky]

What does this have to do with the BBR's tier list discussion? o_o

 

[bigman40]

Everything Kewkky. Smash, School, and Life. :D

 

[Poltergust]

We are planning to overthrow the BBR and put Yoshi above MK.

Nothing really. Carry on with the Pikachu talk.

 

[vVv Rapture]

We are planning to overthrow the BBR and put Yoshi above MK.

Nothing really. Carry on with the Pikachu talk.

So...why didn't DK go up more? Will's pretty good. Discuss.

 

[CelestialMarauder~]

So...why didn't DK go up more? Will's pretty good. Discuss.

Cause DK is a business man and he felt like there was more money to be made in his current possition.

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

I have a feeling those fat penguins in their fancy tux's are actually putting DK out of business according to recent financial reports
Business is such a cruel world

cwatidid(ratherbadly)thar?

 

[Ripple]

^^^^^nobody plays D3 anymore, and those who do, don't know how to play against DK and get ***** ( lolatomsk)


DK is too broken for people to know his true potential

he has........

 

[Z'zgashi]

I agree, why the DK hate? It seems like the major thing holding him down (when it comes to discusions) in the icpd3dthrowgg factor, and that's it. He's got good rep (Will, Dr. Grandpa, Ripple, etc.) and has the results to prove it. Im also pretty sure that aside from d3, his mu's aren't that bad.

 

[Spelt]

I agree with what AA said.
sonic would still be low tier if it wasn't for the billions of sonic fanboys.

 

[Eddie G]

^^^^^nobody plays D3 anymore, and those who do, don't know how to play against DK and get ***** ( lolatomsk)


DK is too broken for people to know his true potential

he has........

Is that so? Muahahahahahahahahaha Peach kills monkeys.

God Kais!

 

[Crow!]

Except DK doesn't have the results to prove it.

DK's not doing terribly, but he's not been doing as well as many of the other characters in mid tier are.

 

[Ripple]

Except DK doesn't have the results to prove it.

DK's not doing terribly, but he's not been doing as well as many of the other characters in mid tier are.

how recent is that? has that been taking into account all of Will's recent tournament results?

 

[Brawlin]

DKs matchups aren't that bad. He actually goes even with snake. Alot of characters in mid tier don't. D3 is his only crappy matchup but I guess D3 is getting less popular. I thought DK had no tourney rep tho. I guess he does.