Official BBR Tier List v5

[Delta-cod]

probably a horrible idea since yoshi lacks an UpB.

It's also a lot harder to effectively edgeguard Lucario with characters not named marth or MK than most people think.

You don't edgeguard him with a DJ'd aerial anyways. You use egg set ups to force reactions, then punish. And even if you do get hit, you'll be hit back to the stage anyways, which isn't really a problem. Lucario's recover high so even if you get knocked out you're fine.

RJ getthem vids up.

 

[Steam]

you could just let yourself fall and recovery low against yoshi... a lot of times it's better to do that.

and IDK how good RJ's lucario is, I know he knows a ton about the character but I don't think he plays much

 

[Z'zgashi]

Kinda like me with half the cast? I can name off random frame and match up data for characters I dont even play/use much cuz im just that homo.

 

[Delta-cod]

you could just let yourself fall and recovery low against yoshi... a lot of times it's better to do that.

and IDK how good RJ's lucario is, I know he knows a ton about the character but I don't think he plays much

I wasn't being entirely serious. The match up is awful and as Zucco and RJ know, I ****ing hate their character.

RJ's Lucario is good, lol. He's been very active lately, and has been performing well, at least in my opinion.

 

[Steam]

well the Lucario hate train is rather large and is fused with the Mewtwo hype train to make it even bigger, so yeah.

 

[Poltergust]

So Seibrik gets 9th because he's not allowed to shark?

What a stupid game we all play.

That's not the point... it was the fact that MK players couldn't counterpick their best stages.

It was a stupid rule, but I actually used it against Afro when he switched to Snake during grand finals. I counterpicked him to Rainbow Cruise, and since he wasn't MK the previous round he was forced to use Wario.

Play to win.

 

[Tesh]

I saw that in the thread for that tournament. I never thought people would attend a tournament with rules like "mk can't pick certain stages". It kinds of opens the door to allow alot of other stages that are arguably broken by a couple of characters if you can just say "but they aren't allowed to pick this stage".

 

[Z'zgashi]

And Polt cant even DR. Just imagine if he could... damn...

 

[Ussi]

shark on halberd? .. Or does the platform not save MK from grab release > usmash?

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

That's not the point... it was the fact that MK players couldn't counterpick their best stages.

It was a stupid rule, but I actually used it against Afro when he switched to Snake during grand finals. I counterpicked him to Rainbow Cruise, and since he wasn't MK the previous round he was forced to use Wario.

Play to win.

Does anyone else see the obvious solution to the "I'll just go MK and nullify your CP" problem?

Disallow character changes midset. Bam.

 

[Poltergust]

Uh... that's a terrible idea, SFP.

 

[etecoon]

Does anyone else see the obvious solution to the "I'll just go MK and nullify your CP" problem?

Disallow character changes midset. Bam.

and the obvious solution to this obstacle you create is to simply stop using characters that aren't meta knight or diddy, ever.

everyone wins!

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

Why does the OP look like its thrown up violently?

 

[Conviction]

Why does the OP look like its thrown up violently?

Because all the bs that is something spit in here has made it throw up and cry.

 

[KillerJawz]

Why does the OP look like its thrown up violently?

Some issues with coding and what not, it'll be fixed eventually.

 

[Yikarur]

the bull**** posted here is awful D:
and lol@
". I counterpicked him to Rainbow Cruise, and since he wasn't MK the previous round he was forced to use Wario."

Polt is mad overrated btw.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Why does the OP look like its thrown up violently?

HTML is currently disabled, we're working on setting up a different thing over HTML.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Uh... that's a terrible idea, SFP.

Care to explain why, other than a desire to play different characters? Other than the fact that we'd be doing this just to stop MK CP stifling, which says more about MK than our CP system.

Of course everyone is so attached to the little puff ball that we'll never see an actual ban that we have to come up with stupid **** like this when everyone knows by now that we should just ban him.

Whatever we do, I'm personally sick of the second game turning into MK dittos on Rainbow Cruise.

/Derail

 

[stingers]

lol @ anyone still talking about banning MK

get over it -,-

 

[~ Gheb ~]

lol @ ppl not understanding that the whole idea of banning MK was just a fad

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

lol @ anyone still talking about banning MK

get over it -,-

I won't as long as I think the game is better without him and well worth removing him.

But I'll drop it since, well I'm not suppose to talk about it.

 

[Dabuz]

to whoever said being unable to switch characters mid-set is a bad idea...you do realize a lot of fighting games don't allow mid-set switches, or in some cases, mid tourney switches, right? heck, look at card games, you can only switch parts of your deck, with a set of 10 or so cards you put aside, but besides your deck+those 10 cards, you can't switch, but none of those communities have stagnated because of this.

TL;DR
Being unable to switch mid-set is a rule used in other communities and it works

 

[Kewkky]

lol @ ppl not understanding that the whole idea of banning MK was just a fad

Not a fad at all, more like people getting tired of repeating the same things over and over again.

 

[phi1ny3]

Everyone look at the OP

does everyone else see disfunctional html tags for character postbits, or am I just crazy?

 

[phi1ny3]

yuck, double post.

 

[Shaya]

Yes.

I'm raging like the fist of the north star.

I would love to publicly rant and rage exclusively for smashboard's pleasure, BUT I'm sure that's not a great idea.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

to whoever said being unable to switch characters mid-set is a bad idea...you do realize a lot of fighting games don't allow mid-set switches, or in some cases, mid tourney switches, right? heck, look at card games, you can only switch parts of your deck, with a set of 10 or so cards you put aside, but besides your deck+those 10 cards, you can't switch, but none of those communities have stagnated because of this.

TL;DR
Being unable to switch mid-set is a rule used in other communities and it works

Well cards are inheritly different if you think about it. Generally you are suppose to bring your own preconstruted deck that you make before the tournament with a side board which is part of the counterpicking strat right there.

With a fighting game, the game comes with everything so you don't need to buy product.

Also counter picking 500 dollar decks with other expensive decks makes the game too expensive so most people to even consider it.

 

[deepseadiva]

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lawls

"I knew <img src="http://www.smashboards.com/images/char/metaknight.png" border="0" title="1. Meta Knight: ±0" width="30" height="30"></a> was top tier!"

I always wondered what would happen to big threads like this when people got demodded.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

That coding next to Meta Knight: + or - 0" does not make much sense. I know it shows he does not change places, but the random " in the middle of nothign does not make much sense.

 

[Hylian]

to whoever said being unable to switch characters mid-set is a bad idea...you do realize a lot of fighting games don't allow mid-set switches, or in some cases, mid tourney switches, right? heck, look at card games, you can only switch parts of your deck, with a set of 10 or so cards you put aside, but besides your deck+those 10 cards, you can't switch, but none of those communities have stagnated because of this.

TL;DR
Being unable to switch mid-set is a rule used in other communities and it works

Other fighting games that don't let you switch characters also don't have vastly different stages that play a major roll in match-ups.

 

[AMKalmar]

No items! MK only! Rainbow Cruise!

 

[Spelt]

That coding next to Meta Knight: + or - 0" does not make much sense. I know it shows he does not change places, but the random " in the middle of nothign does not make much sense.

It's a title... the title is "1. Meta Knight: ±0"

 

[Espy Rose]

I won't as long as I think the game is better without him and well worth removing him.

But I'll drop it since, well I'm not suppose to talk about it.

This, especially the highlighted portion.

 

[ShadowLink84]

lol @ ppl not understanding that the whole idea of banning MK was just a fad

And you totally do not sound ignorant!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X248V1Q3pXk&t=1m28s

Care to explain why, other than a desire to play different characters? Other than the fact that we'd be doing this just to stop MK CP stifling, which says more about MK than our CP system.

Of course everyone is so attached to the little puff ball that we'll never see an actual ban that we have to come up with stupid **** like this when everyone knows by now that we should just ban him.

^^^
What he said.

Smash players are funny.

It really is hilarious when people go "MK is perfectly legal" then go on to say "MK is not allowed to grab the ledge more than 15 times, cannot use his CP's, oh and he is not allowed to shark."


I wonder if in SF2 we should have done the same thing. "Akuma is perfectly legal" then add "He may not kick, use his air fireballs, must allow the opponent to recover from a dizzy, cannot teleport and must let the opponent hit him first."

=D

Anyways about those infinites being banned, can I have it so Lucario can stop using...everything that causes the matchup to be in Sonic's disavantage?

 

[_Kain_]

The people that go MK is perfectly legal are....MK players!!! whoopty doo!!!

 

[ShadowLink84]

The people that go MK is perfectly legal are....MK players!!! whoopty doo!!!

Well naturally MK players would feel their character is legal, after all they would have some bias would they not? Even then there are many individuals who wished MK gone and played him, and there were those who defended him but did not play him; myself as an eample.


In anycase, lets chat about something else.

infinites being banned. As I said I want my matchup buffed. Lucario is a **** of a character, and I don't play gay so I tend to lose. Buff it plox?

 

[napZzz]

red ryu, you should take a hammer to your computer screen and go outside for a week or so

 

[~ Gheb ~]

The people that go MK is perfectly legal are....MK players!!! whoopty doo!!!

Apparently I'm a MK player now. Good to know.

 

[_Kain_]

Apparently I'm a MK player now. Good to know.

No but your ignorant to the fact that he is the best. I'm not pro ban or anti it's jus ignorant to say he isn't. Maybe you should go get sharked for 8 min on one of his cps and you'll change your mind

Your prolly on the Diddy hype train that he goes even with MK, even though Anti wrecks ADHD like everytime they play, or every Diddy for that matter. Go figure

 

[Hylian]

I don't think anyone really has said that MK isn't the best character in the game. Given recent tournament results though I think it's silly to think that MK needs to be banned in any sort of way. He is perfectly legal.