Caleb Wolfbrand
Smash Master
FINALLY the list I always wanted is up here! :D
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Official 2010-2011 Super Smash Bros. Melee MBR Tier List
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Pengie
Smash Lord
To be fair, this does skew the data towards whoever the top players feel like playing. This then creates a list that doesn't necessarily show who the best character in the game is, but who wins the most. While the two may seem to go hand in hand, things like player skill come into play and that causes the tier list to be less accurate. I think that, ideally, a player should have as little influence as possible on a tier list and that the tier list should be based solely on matchups.
Rubyiris
Smash Hero
Puff is far too high.
otherwise IDGAF.
otherwise IDGAF.
dsf and ken.
Snowmanthatknows
Smash Journeyman
I'm feeling more of this.
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Stevo
Smash Champion
Andy knew it all along with his wall of pain in like '03
"I dont know what's worth fighting for,
or why I have to scream
I don't know why I instigate
And say what I don't mean
I don't know how I got this way
I know it's not alright
So I'm breaking the habit
I'm breaking the habit
Tonight..."
that video was great lol
that took me 5 minutes to invent, somebody better lol at it....
nobody know the song?
Merkuri
Smash Lord
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Since rom2, I'm pretty sure the only local tournaments he's lost has been tourney's where he didn't go all Puff. Even Colbol gets ***** by his Puff now. And the only regional tournament he lost was Herb3, which was like the only time out of like 6 times DRPP was able to beat him.
Hbox is human so he can't win everything, but that is a pretty ****ty argument against Jigs being top tier.
Snowmanthatknows
Smash Journeyman
Is there anything wrong with that?
MikeHaggarTHAKJB
Smash Master
and you base this on what? the placement of 1 japanese player in 1 american tournament? (bombsoldier @ 0c3)
Pi
Smash Hero
So basically all you've been saying this entire time is that Jiggs is top tier, fully recognizing that the tier list has more to do with tournament results than character potential?
which is why you said this:
I never claimed jiggs to not be 'top tier'
nor did BBQ
The only point I was trying to make was that the metagame can and will change
and I offered examples as to people who have and can beat Hbox to support that
as well as pointing out that both marth, sheik, and fox had their time being dominant, which is similar to where jiggs is at now.
If all you're trying to say is that jiggs deserves to be top tier, then you can stop, because I'm not disagreeing with that.
If you are trying to say that jiggs is the best character, then I disagree.
their sets are almost always last set last match last stock
yes hbox has the advantage over drpp as far as tourney results go, but that's going to be the case at least for another 5 tournaments (assuming he beats them all those times)
hell
ken has the advantage over m2k in tourney sets, does that mean ken is still a better player?
and i'm not trying to say jiggs isn't top tier
which is why you said this:
which, to me, says more about your stance on her as a character, rather than hbox's dominance with her.
I never claimed jiggs to not be 'top tier'
nor did BBQ
The only point I was trying to make was that the metagame can and will change
and I offered examples as to people who have and can beat Hbox to support that
as well as pointing out that both marth, sheik, and fox had their time being dominant, which is similar to where jiggs is at now.
If all you're trying to say is that jiggs deserves to be top tier, then you can stop, because I'm not disagreeing with that.
If you are trying to say that jiggs is the best character, then I disagree.
col bol doesn't get ***** by Hbox's puff lol...where did you even get that from
their sets are almost always last set last match last stock
yes hbox has the advantage over drpp as far as tourney results go, but that's going to be the case at least for another 5 tournaments (assuming he beats them all those times)
hell
ken has the advantage over m2k in tourney sets, does that mean ken is still a better player?
and i'm not trying to say jiggs isn't top tier
Doc King
Smash Lord
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It makes the tier list kind of unorganized and undone.
Snowmanthatknows
Smash Journeyman
That's because it is, I didn't throw in major details. It's just a sketch.It makes the tier list kind of unorganized and undone.
The garbage tier is not ordered, there wasnt enough information behind any of those characters to accurately order them so we left them in a sort of limbo state.
Djent
Smash Champion
It's almost perfect and all, but it only reinforces what the community had already decided...so it's not that important now. Still really cool that it's official and all though.
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
mogwai is straight up ****** kids in here.
john!
Smash Hero
i've got a question about game and watch, he's not in negligible tier, but there are characters in n.t. who have some representation (e.g. vectorman's yoshi), arguably more than game and watch does. i personally don't think g&w is negligible due to my personal experience using him, but i want to know how the mbr came to this conclusion as well. who is going to notable tourneys these days and doing well with him?
trahhSTEEZY
Smash Champion
...no, i'm not using the bases of 'any X player from Y country going to america' because that's dumb. armada, and anyone else who's done good outside of their region clearly shows that. but I just think fumi got as known as he/she did just from early metagame advantages. people not knowing WTF is going on enough in smash back then, under-developed players imo. So i say now, bringing a YOSHI into the states and expecting them to place decent, especially with americas metagame constantly growing, fumi would do awful.
i know you've made awesome assumptions before on players you think are good before being proven good, but a peach in a somewhat active europe is definitely different
PB&J
Smash Hero
one character cant be tied with the other..thats dumb..it would be the same character, but even twins have different fingerprints if u get my drift
4 Aces
Smash Ace
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Lol I thought as much. Didn't know that Ken had mained Sheik at one point. lol
Soz, I don't think anyone does. Mind explaining?
Stevo
Smash Champion
it's a song by Marilyn Manson
I don't even like Marilyn Manson, but I thought that people knew the song....
The song is called "This is the New ****"
whatever, I fail.
trahhSTEEZY
Smash Champion
who's marilyn manson
You're right PB&J. The problem is that there is no agreement as to what the tier list actually represents. Tournament viability? Actual tournament results? Super Theory Bros. performance?
MBR could rigorously define the tier list in one of two ways: Either tell us precisely how the tier list is constructed or tell us exactly what it's supposed to represent. Until that's done the tier list will only be a (handy) gauge of how much a few pros think you can win if you play X character.
MBR could rigorously define the tier list in one of two ways: Either tell us precisely how the tier list is constructed or tell us exactly what it's supposed to represent. Until that's done the tier list will only be a (handy) gauge of how much a few pros think you can win if you play X character.
character limitUmbreon said:
otg
Smash Master
Yeah seriously, he's taking ****ing names right now.
I'm curious who Zelda "*****" that warrant her being in the mid tier.
PB&J
Smash Hero
^^^^^ this times 120209230909..im picking icys back up and marth/shiek/dk
tier list doesnt mean anything to me anyway..look at axe
Tero.
Smash Champion
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Why do you guys keep posting videos of people who can't even win a match doing this? (like Chibo) lol
This is where you at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTHfcafE9ig
Tero.
Smash Champion
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Hey, hey tero, know what i already posted? :3
Tero.
Smash Champion
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fawking pink ninja!
PB&J
Smash Hero
u should watch soft vs m2k..oh its not recorded but soft was up while doing it then m2k told soft it was banned(which was a lie) and soft got off the ledge and lost..its not unbeatable but its pretty good and im sure m2k would have trouble of the soft now doing it too him..
trahhSTEEZY
Smash Champion
yeah last i saw m2k was doing this recently when i saw his puff in a friendly. m2k is much more excessive with it though, you can tell he doesnt like puff so im guessing he just does it to show how abusive it can be
also thats pretty ****in gay that m2k said it was banned just to avoid it happenign to him
after watching soft vs druggedfox i felt really good watching her lose not gonna lie
also thats pretty ****in gay that m2k said it was banned just to avoid it happenign to him
after watching soft vs druggedfox i felt really good watching her lose not gonna lie
Rubyiris
Smash Hero
the ssb tiers are so bad it's not even funny.
Vyzor
Smash Journeyman
why is the whole bottom tier tied or w/e. seriously should be sorted out. Pichu isnt tied with any of them, except for maybe kirby.
BunBun
Smash Master
So where is Bro tier?
A qualm I have with Umbreon's definition is that "likelihood to perform well" and "fare in a competitive setting" aren't fully defined. Performing well clearly isn't equivalent to "getting first place at nationals" though posters will equate the two and then scream and shout, "what has Fox won?!"
"Relative equals" is a contradiction in the adjective. This is better:
There are a few obvious conclusions to be drawn from this definition that some posters don't yet recognize. The tier list is a snapshot of recent data, it is always in flux. "Ties" are necessary so the MBR doesn't have to release a new tier list every month when Samus and Ganondorf switch places or when the statistical methods for devising the list don't hold up because no one plays the characters.
fake EDIT: Vyzor, check the paragraph above. Pichu is tied because of the methods, "tied" != "equally good as"
"Relative equals" is a contradiction in the adjective. This is better:
I do like the definition though. It should be plastered all over the OP.
There are a few obvious conclusions to be drawn from this definition that some posters don't yet recognize. The tier list is a snapshot of recent data, it is always in flux. "Ties" are necessary so the MBR doesn't have to release a new tier list every month when Samus and Ganondorf switch places or when the statistical methods for devising the list don't hold up because no one plays the characters.
fake EDIT: Vyzor, check the paragraph above. Pichu is tied because of the methods, "tied" != "equally good as"
demonictoonlink
Smash Master
What's a young link?
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