• Welcome to Smashboards, the world's largest Super Smash Brothers community! Over 250,000 Smash Bros. fans from around the world have come to discuss these great games in over 19 million posts!

    You are currently viewing our boards as a visitor. Click here to sign up right now and start on your path in the Smash community!

NWM! - IMPULSE Circuit! Stream is up! http://www.twitch.tv/meleepacwest

omgwtfToph

Smash Master
Joined
May 28, 2008
Messages
4,486
Location
San Jose
Edit: I'm leaning towards 7 stages, 1 ban each, and no countering any stage you won on with the stage you guys striked to being an exception.
:phone:
Pretty much I agree, with the points I'd make being all stuff people said already lol. I guess basically the idea is "you can't counterpick any stage that YOU COUNTERPICKED and won on" (which is the same thing as saying "you can't counterpick a stage you won on except the stage you both struck to") which imo is fair. I think it strikes the best balance between the issue Ciz suggested (not being able to win on a lot of stages means you probably shouldn't have won) and the issue Scar suggested (having to counterpick a stage that is probably not even good for you) because being able to counterpick the stage you struck to should generally be pretty reasonable.
 

omgwtfToph

Smash Master
Joined
May 28, 2008
Messages
4,486
Location
San Jose
Aight either way works though. I'm comfortable at FD in a lot of matchups people hate though. :P And ya dude can't wait to meet you too. Shame I was only in VA for like less than a week haha. Well, then again my aunt lives there so I visit pretty often. It's just that I'm out in the middle of nowhere (Callao, VA) and it's hard to get places.
 
Joined
Jun 27, 2005
Messages
10,463
Location
the west
Pretty much I agree, with the points I'd make being all stuff people said already lol. I guess basically the idea is "you can't counterpick any stage that YOU COUNTERPICKED and won on" (which is the same thing as saying "you can't counterpick a stage you won on except the stage you both struck to") which imo is fair. I think it strikes the best balance between the issue Ciz suggested (not being able to win on a lot of stages means you probably shouldn't have won) and the issue Scar suggested (having to counterpick a stage that is probably not even good for you) because being able to counterpick the stage you struck to should generally be pretty reasonable.
eehhh basically. i mean its not exactly that. lets say its me vs you fox dittos. you counter stadium and i win (it dont matter where u go i get in dat ***). i cant counter it and it isnt a stage i counter picked, thus its an exception. so lets just keep it at "you cant counter pick any stage you won on aside from the stage you guys both stage struck too"
 

omgwtfToph

Smash Master
Joined
May 28, 2008
Messages
4,486
Location
San Jose
eehhh basically. i mean its not exactly that. lets say its me vs you fox dittos. you counter stadium and i win (it dont matter where u go i get in dat ***). i cant counter it and it isnt a stage i counter picked, thus its an exception. so lets just keep it at "you cant counter pick any stage you won on aside from the stage you guys both stage struck too"
yeah true. I guess I should've said it holds true to the same principle but it's not exactly the same thing.

I'm gonna **** you in fox dittos next time I see you
 

Diakonos

Smash Lord
Joined
Apr 22, 2009
Messages
1,710
Location
Canada
Just so everyone knows:
^ That is ORIGINAL DSR
MODIFIED is not being able to pick ANY stage you won on.
Really? I had thought it was the other way round...

Either way, I prefer that one that limits only the *last* stage you won on, not *any* stage on which you've won.
 

HyugaRicdeau

Baller/Shot-caller
Joined
Jun 4, 2003
Messages
3,883
Location
Portland, OR
Slippi.gg
DRZ#283
Really? I had thought it was the other way round...

Either way, I prefer that one that limits only the *last* stage you won on, not *any* stage on which you've won.
Why?

I don't think you should be able to win a set using a counterpick twice.
 

Diakonos

Smash Lord
Joined
Apr 22, 2009
Messages
1,710
Location
Canada
I'm trying to figure out how one could win by winning twice on your counter pick...

1 lose
2 cp win
3 win on opponent's cp
4 lose on opponent's cp
5 win on the same cp as 2.

So, in order to win a set using the same cp twice, something pretty similar to the above needs to happen, and you must win on your opponent's cp. I might be wrong, so correct me if need be.

Given the rather strenuous circumstances needed for your undesirable situation, I would say that by and large it is unnecessary to have hear extra restrictions. By the 5th match, you will both be forced to play on a stage that neither of you probably wants to play anyway.

:phone:
 

tarheeljks

Smash Lord
Joined
Dec 18, 2006
Messages
1,857
Location
land of the free
idk why likelihood is relevant. if it's undesirable and possible, that should be enough to take measures to prevent it

edit: which is begging the question in a way, but yeah
 

Diakonos

Smash Lord
Joined
Apr 22, 2009
Messages
1,710
Location
Canada
I suppose what I'm saying is that there are also undesirable elements for the alternative.

After two bans and several other unplayable stages due to DSR, it's more likely that both players will be playing on a stage they just don't want to play. And, since it's quite unlikely that someone will win the set by winning on their CP twice, it might make more sense not to have the rule in the first place, since having the rule more often produces the undesirable situation of having very restricted stage selection.

I'm not too committed either way since I see the arguments for both, but it's something worth considering.
 

Bl@ckChris

Smash Hero
Joined
Oct 4, 2009
Messages
7,443
Location
Greensboro, NC
i think winning on your opponents cp should be enough to still take someone to your own cp. idk though. by the 5th game, you basically have 3 bans in a 6 stage ruleset. that seems a little busted.
 

tarheeljks

Smash Lord
Joined
Dec 18, 2006
Messages
1,857
Location
land of the free
yeah, it is funky, but does that say more about the ban system or the stage list?


edit: also tend to agree with your point about returning to the stage that was originally played via strike
 

Scar

#HarveyDent
Joined
Feb 11, 2007
Messages
6,066
Location
Sunnyvale, CA
20 bux says scar loses to cyrain (unless eggz gets him drunk)
i'll take that bet
Yes plz.

Wait a sec so there might not be an bans for this tourney?

So I can just take all falcons/fox/falcos to FD and chaingrab them 0 - death? (Pika ***** :) )

As much as I would freakin love that I kinda don't think it's very fair...
exactly, the point of the ruleset should be to minimize BS... this is quite obviously BS.

IMO should be 5 stages 1 ban each (since the 7 stages favor fastfallers, PS is amazing for them and KJ64 sucks for anyone slow), and you can always cp the "true neutral" i.e. stage-strike decision


idea for proposal @ MBR...
to further minimize BS, if you made a mistake striking, you should be able to forfeit your CP for a second stage strike which resets the "true neutral" in case someone doesn't know about the pika cg vs fastfallers and strikes down to FD
 

omgwtfToph

Smash Master
Joined
May 28, 2008
Messages
4,486
Location
San Jose
on a more light-hearted note, we discovered at a local tournament this past Saturday a Washington Melee player who looks absolutely ****ing identical to dr. peepee. down to the shape of his beard

I'm trying to get him confirmed for manifest but he's not sure what he's doing on that weekend I guess?
 

ThePrime

Smash Lord
Joined
Jul 12, 2006
Messages
1,283
Location
Tuk House, WA
lol yea at our last tourney i think i heard toph(?) or somebody yell in the background "oh pp flew in early!" LOL

Also get so much hype for this tourney, infinite fun.
 

omgwtfToph

Smash Master
Joined
May 28, 2008
Messages
4,486
Location
San Jose
LOL with Bizarro Peepee in Washington and Bizarro Plup in BC, northwest has good player lookalikes on lockdown

Bizarro Jman used to (still does?) go to the UW too LOL. He only plays Brawl though LOL but just ask Shane, he is Jman's long lost twin. He even had Jman's old long *** ponytail hahaha
 

omgwtfToph

Smash Master
Joined
May 28, 2008
Messages
4,486
Location
San Jose
LOL if Mackadotious comes to this tournament me and Mackadotious should teams MM Dr. Peepee and Dr. Peepee Lookalike
 

xXx-NoobKing-xXx

Smash Hero
Joined
Feb 18, 2004
Messages
5,323
Location
Richmond, B.C, Canada
Today

Me: Aziz. I noticed you never pick FoD in tournament. What are your thoughts on that stage as a falcon main?

Aziz: unplayable
shouldnt be neutral

Me: thankyou
i agree completely and whole heartedly

Aziz: game needs to be battlefield only
or atleast
you cant ban battlefield
 
Joined
Jun 27, 2005
Messages
10,463
Location
the west
Today

Me: Aziz. I noticed you never pick FoD in tournament. What are your thoughts on that stage as a falcon main?

Aziz: unplayable
shouldnt be neutral

Me: thankyou
i agree completely and whole heartedly

Aziz: game needs to be battlefield only
or atleast
you cant ban battlefield
whats ur point. s2j can play on it just fine, proving its playable. showing me convos of other falcons being babys doesnt prove anything. plus i already said im gonna allow bans. how bout you ***** more once you get into bracket. better hope nathan aint there lol
 
Top Bottom