Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I am going to try to sell you on Oatchi from Pikmin 4 as a Smash bros. character, here is a basic moveset mock up. Artwork is borrowed from Kino Takahashi's official Pikmin 4 comic strips.


General Stats and Premise
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Down Special: Lumiknoll Dig
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Neutral Special: Glowmob
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Side Special: Mega Rush
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Up Special: Space Dog Lift-off
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Misc. Mechanics
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Final Smash: The Glowbomb
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I love this moveset! I kind of wish Oatchi had access to Ice Pikmin too (though I think including them here would make the kit much less cohesive) since they were both introduced in 4, but this works really well to make a cohesive and unique moveset for Oatchi that makes him stand out from Olimar while still utilizing 4’s night mission gameplay (protecting the Lumiknolls from hostile creatures using Glow Pikmin) to wonderful effect.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

You say that as a joke but I would 100% be down for Po even though there's no chance in hell of that happening

He's already been in a platform fighter so he'd be easy to adapt :V

 

[MrMcNuts]

Do we know anything really?

The fact Banjo was on the negotiation table at all speaks for how strong of a case Crash has for Smash

I think it opened the gate for western owned reps (even if we only got one more being Steve and from the same company) but other than that I agree it doesn't make a strong case for any specific character down the line

 

[DarthEnderX]

I am going to try to sell you on Oatchi from Pikmin 4 as a Smash bros. character

You can't.

 

[Ivander]

No. The reason he got in Smash was explicitly stated in one of Sakurai's Famitsu columns to be because he was second place in the Ballot, right behind Sora. Fan demand got him in, not Nintendo getting a sudden nostalgia vibe for a company they should've but never bought.

(assuming this only considered realistic options so maybe people like Goku or Shrek did better but we don't know that)


That's probably why Banjo got so many votes though

Banjo was stated to be the 2nd-highest voted character behind Sora to get in Smash. He was not explicitly stated to be 2nd place, which means that it's possible there were other characters between Sora and Banjo that Nintendo couldn't get in.

And yes it was outright specified by PushDustin that Banjo was not the 2nd most voted character on the Ballot, just that out of all the highly voted characters behind Sora to get in Smash, Banjo was the one who got in, making him the 2nd highest voted character to get in Smash.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I actually don't think Pikmin's ever had a stronger contender for a non-Echo Fighter newcomer than Oatchi.

People have good had ideas for Louie, but the developers could just as easily turn him into an Echo Fighter.

Alph ended up as an alternate skin for Olimar and neither he nor Brittany or Charlie really have any unique abilities compared to Olimar, even less so with the Winged Pikmin incorporated into his recovery move.

Plasm Wraith certainly has a lot of potential, but it's limited presence in 3 (and virtually none beyond that game) makes it unlikely to be a character Sakurai and the other devs would strongly consider.

Oatchi, though? He's not only front and center throughout the entirety of Pikmin 4, but he's also got several entirely unique abilities, including attacks, and the presence of brand new Pikmin types that haven't been incorporated into Olimar's moveset yet gives the devs the opportunity to do something new with at least one of the new Pikmin species.

If Pikmin gets any newcomer in the next Smash game at all, I'm quickly becoming convinced that it's going to be Oatchi.

 

[pitchfulprocessing]

I am going to try to sell you on Oatchi from Pikmin 4 as a Smash bros. character, here is a basic moveset mock up. Artwork is borrowed from Kino Takahashi's official Pikmin 4 comic strips.


General Stats and Premise
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Down Special: Lumiknoll Dig
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Neutral Special: Glowmob
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Side Special: Mega Rush
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Up Special: Space Dog Lift-off
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Misc. Mechanics
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Final Smash: The Glowbomb
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Amazing work, the tower defense idea is giving me Xrd Jack-O flashbacks lol.

 

[CommanderZaktan]

I am going to try to sell you on Oatchi from Pikmin 4 as a Smash bros. character, here is a basic moveset mock up. Artwork is borrowed from Kino Takahashi's official Pikmin 4 comic strips.


General Stats and Premise
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Down Special: Lumiknoll Dig
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Neutral Special: Glowmob
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Side Special: Mega Rush
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Up Special: Space Dog Lift-off
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Misc. Mechanics
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Final Smash: The Glowbomb
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Ok, this is a good idea.

 

[ninjahmos]

Here's a thought:

If the next Smash game ever has more music from the Donkey Kong Country series that isn't just JuNgLe LeVeL, which songs would you like to hear?

Personally, I'd love to hear songs like Aquatic Ambience, Fear Factory, The Credits Concerto, Jib Jig, Lockjaw's Saga, Hot Head Bop, Mining Melancholy, and many more.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Here's a thought:

If the next Smash game ever has more music from the Donkey Kong Country series that isn't just JuNgLe LeVeL, which songs would you like to hear?

Personally, I'd love to hear songs like Aquatic Ambience, Fear Factory, The Credits Concerto, Jib Jig, Lockjaw's Saga, Hot Head Bop, Mining Melancholy, and many more.

Three words

Big. Top. Bop.

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

You can't.

Then perish before the wrath of Oatchi

 

[Gorgonzales]

Three words

Big. Top. Bop.

I like how this is the theme for the first boss of the game.

Honestly it set the bar so high that none of the other themes really surpassed it except for maybe Bashmaster's.

 

[ninjahmos]

Three words

Big. Top. Bop.

Come to think of it, I think Smash needs more hard rock/heavy metal music.

And jazz fusion (including jazz-rock and jazz-funk).

 

[NintenRob]

Here's a thought:

If the next Smash game ever has more music from the Donkey Kong Country series that isn't just JuNgLe LeVeL, which songs would you like to hear?

Personally, I'd love to hear songs like Aquatic Ambience, Fear Factory, The Credits Concerto, Jib Jig, Lockjaw's Saga, Hot Head Bop, Mining Melancholy, and many more.

You know Ultimate didn't introduce any Jungle Themes to the DK lineup? Though focusing on classic titles, we got some glorious remixes as Gangplank Galleon, Snakey Chantey and Map Theme.

DK did farely well in Ultimate... It's just got a lot of baggage from Smash 4

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I like how this is the theme for the first boss of the game.

Honestly it set the bar so high that none of the other themes really surpassed it except for maybe Bashmaster's.

And Bashmaster in general had the best world because it was literally the entire production line for his personal popsicles, from getting the fruit to all the factory processes. Such a great one.

 

[DarthEnderX]

If the next Smash game ever has more music from the Donkey Kong Country series that isn't just JuNgLe LeVeL, which songs would you like to hear?

1. Windmill Hills
2. Windmill Hills
3. Windmill Hills
4. Windmill Hills
5. Windmill Hills

 

[Diddy Kong]

I like how this is the theme for the first boss of the game.

Honestly it set the bar so high that none of the other themes really surpassed it except for maybe Bashmaster's.

Homecoming Hijinx. And basically all music in the last world.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Here's a thought:

If the next Smash game ever has more music from the Donkey Kong Country series that isn't just JuNgLe LeVeL, which songs would you like to hear?

Personally, I'd love to hear songs like Aquatic Ambience, Fear Factory, The Credits Concerto, Jib Jig, Lockjaw's Saga, Hot Head Bop, Mining Melancholy, and many more.

The most underrated K. Rool boss theme:

And by "most underrated" I mean the only one from the original three SNES games that didn't get a remix in Ultimate.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I am going to try to sell you on Oatchi from Pikmin 4 as a Smash bros. character, here is a basic moveset mock up. Artwork is borrowed from Kino Takahashi's official Pikmin 4 comic strips.


General Stats and Premise
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Down Special: Lumiknoll Dig
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Neutral Special: Glowmob
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Side Special: Mega Rush
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Up Special: Space Dog Lift-off
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Misc. Mechanics
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Final Smash: The Glowbomb
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So this was the Pikmin 4 protagonist ? Am sold. This sounds solid and fun. Probably overlooked too.

 

[ninjahmos]

If Kunio and Riki ever get into Smash, I hope they not only include music from the River City (Kunio-kun) series, especially remixes of the River City Ransom Theme and the Boss Theme, but also include Alex and Ryan (basically the localized versions of Kunio and Riki) as alts (based on their NES and GBA appearances).

 

[KingofPhantoms]

So this was the Pikmin 4 protagonist ? Am sold. This sounds solid and fun. Probably overlooked too.

He's more like the secondary character as the main player character is still an alien captain, but that captain has far less characterization than any from the previous games due to being more of a customizable and silent avatar to represent the player.

Oatchi is a secondary playable character and effectively the deuteragonist, but he has far more abilities to work with than the latest Captain and is likely the character from 4 that people like and remember best.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

He's more like the secondary character as the main player character is still an alien captain, but that captain has far less characterization than any from the previous games due to being more of a customizable and silent avatar to represent the player.

Oatchi is a secondary playable character and effectively the deuteragonist, but he has far more abilities to work with than the latest Captain and is likely the character from 4 that people like and remember best.

Oatchi would also be way more fun and unique than "Olimar but again" in terms of moveset.

 

[AreJay25]

Come to think of it, I think Smash needs more hard rock/heavy metal music.

So what you're telling me is that we need these two.

Spoiler

Yeah, I think we do.

 

[Wonder Smash]

If Kunio and Riki ever get into Smash, I hope they not only include music from the River City (Kunio-kun) series, especially remixes of the River City Ransom Theme and the Boss Theme, but also include Alex and Ryan (basically the localized versions of Kunio and Riki) as alts (based on their NES and GBA appearances).

I kind of have doubts about the alts. Personally, I prefer Kunio and Riki in their original designs but definitely agree on the music. Heck, I don't think they even new remixes for Smash. The ones they have in the series are good enough.

Of course, I hope they'll also have the original version of main theme too. I love some NES retro music.

River City has so many theme music I'd love to see in Smash.

 

[Hypercat-Z]

I think she probably was back in the 90’s but is Carmen Sandiego used anymore these days? I’m not sure I’d consider her bigger than someone like Jinx who also had a widely successful animated show on Netflix with a new season coming out in a couple months. Carmen would make for a very interesting Smash character though.

In case you don't know she has got a new series:

 

[Hypercat-Z]

Carmen Sandiego is game character!? News to me.

Thought she was a detective show

Which actually originated from a computer game: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where_in_the_World_Is_Carmen_Sandiego?_(1985_video_game)

 

[DarthEnderX]

If Kunio and Riki ever get into Smash, I hope they not only include music from the River City (Kunio-kun) series, especially remixes of the River City Ransom Theme and the Boss Theme

And the Double Dragon theme.

but also include Alex and Ryan (basically the localized versions of Kunio and Riki) as alts (based on their NES and GBA appearances).

No thank you.

 

[SharkLord]

He's more like the secondary character as the main player character is still an alien captain, but that captain has far less characterization than any from the previous games due to being more of a customizable and silent avatar to represent the player.

Oatchi is a secondary playable character and effectively the deuteragonist, but he has far more abilities to work with than the latest Captain and is likely the character from 4 that people like and remember best.

Oatchi would also be way more fun and unique than "Olimar but again" in terms of moveset.

I haven't played Pikmin 4 beyond the first hour-ish of the demo, but there the avatar can also ride on Oatchi, who carries all the Pikmin for you. If we absolutely need the P4 player character, I think we could just have them ride on Oatchi's back and it wouldn't get in the way of Oatchi's moveset

After all, Munchie rides around in 's pocket and there's no issues there, right?

 

[Scrimblo Bimblo]

Here's a thought:

If the next Smash game ever has more music from the Donkey Kong Country series that isn't just JuNgLe LeVeL, which songs would you like to hear?

Too many to list them all.
Sticking to the ones they could just port from Tropical Freeze:
Busted Bayou
Canopy Chaos
Big Top Bop
Windmill Hills
Wing Ding
Grassland Groove (this also needs to be a stage)
Amiss Abyss
Jelly Jamboree
Frosty Frolics
Bashmaster's theme
Homecoming Hijinx
Seashore War
Secret Seclusion

Tropical Freeze having basically no content in Smash is downright criminal.

 

[NintenRob]

In case you don't know she has got a new series:
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I did not know this. I'm surprised as season 3 definitely felt like an end of the show but also glad as it wasn't exactly a high note for the character. I wonder where they'll take the story

 

[fogbadge]

Here's a thought:

If the next Smash game ever has more music from the Donkey Kong Country series that isn't just JuNgLe LeVeL, which songs would you like to hear?

Personally, I'd love to hear songs like Aquatic Ambience, Fear Factory, The Credits Concerto, Jib Jig, Lockjaw's Saga, Hot Head Bop, Mining Melancholy, and many more.

well off the top of my head: Armydillo Battle, Mad Jack Battle, Big Top & Punch Bowl

 

[pitchfulprocessing]

I think she probably was back in the 90’s but is Carmen Sandiego used anymore these days? I’m not sure I’d consider her bigger than someone like Jinx who also had a widely successful animated show on Netflix with a new season coming out in a couple months. Carmen would make for a very interesting Smash character though.

There is definitely no way the most popular PC game character isn't someone like Jinx or another massively popular multiplayer game character.

Incidentally, while I would love Kerrigan to get in, she unfortunately couldn't have a taunt where she calls herself Queen ***** Of The Universe.

 

[Oracle Link]

Speaking of the Young vs Toon vs Toy Link debate!
I dont think we need to have this disscusion! If smash can legally mash together multiple incarantions of link and zelda then lets do this:

Lets give "small" Link costumes based on Toon and Toy Link with toy Link being resized to be the same proportions as Toon Link!

Obviously doing the same with Young Link would lead to nightmare fuel BUT
You can give them colors based on Young link, Have Young links ultimate Fire Arrows be given to them (they would be bomb arrows for toy link)
And lastly why does Toon Link need to play only like toon Link? Make him a bit more speedy like young Link but with his Floatiness?

Basically This would probably be the ideal Outcome!
And if my recent concept of a gear piece ala Mortal Kombat gets in you could give these two Links Swords 'And shields based on Young Links!

 

[Gengar84]

Too many to list them all.
Sticking to the ones they could just port from Tropical Freeze:
Busted Bayou
Canopy Chaos
Big Top Bop
Windmill Hills
Wing Ding
Grassland Groove (this also needs to be a stage)
Amiss Abyss
Jelly Jamboree
Frosty Frolics
Bashmaster's theme
Homecoming Hijinx
Seashore War
Secret Seclusion

Tropical Freeze having basically no content in Smash is downright criminal.

I’d love a lot more songs from DKC2 as well. There’s so many great songs in that game that would be awesome for Smash. Flight of the Zinger is one specific example I’d love to hear (Hornet Hole would make for an awesome stage too). I feel like the music selection for DK still has a lot of room for improvement but I’m happy we got what we did in Ultimate.

Speaking of the Young vs Toon vs Toy Link debate!
I dont think we need to have this disscusion! If smash can legally mash together multiple incarantions of link and zelda then lets do this:

Lets give "small" Link costumes based on Toon and Toy Link with toy Link being resized to be the same proportions as Toon Link!
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Obviously doing the same with Young Link would lead to nightmare fuel BUT
You can give them colors based on Young link, Have Young links ultimate Fire Arrows be given to them (they would be bomb arrows for toy link)
And lastly why does Toon Link need to play only like toon Link? Make him a bit more speedy like young Link but with his Floatiness?

Basically This would probably be the ideal Outcome!
And if my recent concept of a gear piece ala Mortal Kombat gets in you could give these two Links Swords 'And shields based on Young Links!

I like this idea a lot. I’m of the opinion that the Zelda cast should use their alts for the different incarnations across the series. Toy Link is a great alt choice for Toon Link. I do have some hope that this might happen because both Hyrule Warriors and BotW/TotK had various outfits for past iterations of the characters.

 

[Super Devon]

Hmm??

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As mentioned previously, I'll be wrapping up production of new episodes for my YouTube channel soon. Right now, it's looking like the last scheduled episode will release on Tuesday, October 15th.

However, I'm also working on a special finale episode to come afterward, so please stay tuned for more details!

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

"Special finale episode"

I think we all know what he's going to announce here...

Spoiler

 

[Will]

a SPECIAL finale? like the Japanese title super smash bros SPECIAL????

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Why do you think Punch Out!! has so little content?

It's got a character and a nice stage, sure. It's even got the entire Wii cast as spirits. But it has no AT, only five music tracks and not a single new remix in Ultimate.

It just seems kind of ignored.

 

[Dukefire]

"Special finale episode"

I think we all know what he's going to announce here...

Spoiler

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Actually, I would be surprised if Kid Icarus Uprising manage to fly over to the switch. Though, it is highly unlikely that it would happen.

 

[Guynamednelson]

But it has no AT

I would say "well yeah Little Mac is now playable" but Animal Crossing gets a new AT every game.