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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

DemifiendEnjoyer

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more potential 3rd party pairings:
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Snake/Raiden, Snake/Big Boss
This is like one of my favorite facts.
Raiden possibly can’t be in Smash.
For PlayStation All Stars they wanted Snake but Kojima wanted them to do Raiden instead, They asked if they could do both, But Kojima said no because he didn’t want to see them fight.
So if Raiden was going to get into Smash he’d have to be like, Unable to attack Snake and vice versa. Kind of like how Sanji from One Piece is unable to attack women in all the games he’a in.
Also the Tekken team could be Kazuya and Nina Williams since that was Kazuya’s team in Street Fighter x Tekken.
 

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This is like one of my favorite facts.
Raiden possibly can’t be in Smash.
For PlayStation All Stars they wanted Snake but Kojima wanted them to do Raiden instead, They asked if they could do both, But Kojima said no because he didn’t want to see them fight.
So if Raiden was going to get into Smash he’d have to be like, Unable to attack Snake and vice versa. Kind of like how Sanji from One Piece is unable to attack women in all the games he’a in.
Also the Tekken team could be Kazuya and Nina Williams since that was Kazuya’s team in Street Fighter x Tekken.
In regard to the former point, I mean Kojima is no longer at Konami and as far as Snake and Raiden not fighting? Well that ship has already sailed:

 

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Has anyone ever discussed the idea of a duo based Smash game where every character would be able to swap like Pyramid and Mythra (And also Zelda and Shiek in Melee and Brawl and Samus and Zero Suit Samus in Brawl.). Like you pick two characters to swap between but every character also has a set partner.
I’ll use the original 12 as examples:
Mario and Luigi, Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong, Yoshi and Birdo, Fox and Falco, Pikachu and Eevee.
Maybe Ness and Mr. Saturn, Jiggleypuff and Clefairy since they are both pink ball shaped fairy Pokemon and Clefairy was considered for Smash 64 instead of Jiggleypuff.
And as far as new characters you could go for iconic duos in video games. Bub and Bob from Bubble Bobble, Ratchet and Clank maybe if Playstation characters are possible.
And get this, The game could be called “Super Smash Bros. Dual Duel” like the Smash equivalent to Double Dash, But also with the fight synonym names like Melee and Brawl.
I highly doubt this would happen but it would be cool, And also potentially a really good way to differentiate a new game from Ultimate.

Edit: “Pyramid and Mythra” lol
I think this could be a really fun idea. Some characters have really obvious pairings that would work great like Mario/Luigi, Noah/Mio, Diddy/Dixie, Sonic/Tails, Alphen/Shionne, or Jinx/Vi but others you’d have to get more creative. I think the best way to do it is design the system so any two characters can pair with each other but certain pairings are built with a certain synergy that they work particularly well as a pair. That way you don’t have to force weird pairings that don’t make sense but you can encourage pairings of those that do. I’d say make it like a traditional tag fighter where your partner character can be called in to perform assists and maybe do a little combo attack when switching. Certain pairings can have their own unique combo attacks. I think this could be really cool if done right.
 
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This is like one of my favorite facts.
Raiden possibly can’t be in Smash.
For PlayStation All Stars they wanted Snake but Kojima wanted them to do Raiden instead, They asked if they could do both, But Kojima said no because he didn’t want to see them fight.
I followed PSAS speculation pretty closely back in the day, and I have never heard this. Do you have a source?
 

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This is like one of my favorite facts.
Raiden possibly can’t be in Smash.
For PlayStation All Stars they wanted Snake but Kojima wanted them to do Raiden instead, They asked if they could do both, But Kojima said no because he didn’t want to see them fight.
So if Raiden was going to get into Smash he’d have to be like, Unable to attack Snake and vice versa. Kind of like how Sanji from One Piece is unable to attack women in all the games he’a in.
Also the Tekken team could be Kazuya and Nina Williams since that was Kazuya’s team in Street Fighter x Tekken.
I'm wagering that any "playable" character in PSASBR will NEVER be in Smash. When the next game finally does come out and the roster (including DLC) is fully revealed, I'm expecting to be correct yet again on that front. And nobody bring up the Dante thing. The emo Dante and white haired Dante are not the same character in my eyes. -_-
 
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So that gets me thinking, who would be your preferred partner to some of your most wanted characters if they got in? Whether it’s a character already playable in Smash or an additional newcomer? I’ll start with one of mine that has two solid options for a partner.

Without going into too many spoilers, Jinx has two solid options for a partner if they wanted to add a second character: Vi and Ekko. So Jinx is a glass cannon zoner style character, Vi is an in-your face brawler/boxer like Little Mac and Ekko manipulates time and flies through the air on a hover board. Whether they go with Vi or Ekko, they would each be a great addition to Smash and bring some welcome diversity to the roster. Vi would be our first openly LGBT+ character and Ekko would give us our first non-avatar black character. Both characters are really well written so neither would really feel like forced inclusions just for the sake of it. I think I’d lean towards Vi since her relationship with Jinx was one of the main focuses of Arcane and I like how her playstyle contrasts with Jinx but Ekko could be another great option.
 
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So that gets me thinking, who would be your preferred partner to some of your most wanted characters if they got in? Whether it’s a character already playable in Smash or an additional newcomer? I’ll start with one of mine that has two solid options for a partner.

Without going into too many spoilers, Jinx has two solid options for a partner if they wanted to add a second character. Vi and Ekko. So Jinx is a glass cannon zoner style character, Vi is an in-your face brawler/boxer like Little Mac and Ekko manipulates time and flies through the air on a hover board. Whether they go with Vi or Ekko, they would each be a great addition to Smash and bring some welcome diversity to the roster. Vi would be our first openly LGBT+ character and Ekko would give us our first non-avatar black character. Both characters are really well written so neither would really feel like forced inclusions just for the sake of it. I think I’d lean towards Vi since her relationship with Jinx was one of the main focuses of Arcane and I like how her playstyle contrasts with Jinx but Ekko could be another great option.
For Adol, the most logical choice would be Dogi he's Adol's only consistent companion. That said, Dana and Karja have both shared main character status in Ys VIII and Ys X respectively, with Ys X especially focusing on the bond between Adol and Karja. Personally, I'd go with Dana, if only because I adore Ys VIII.

For Reimu, if there's anyone else, she's 90% going to be followed by Marisa. The's the other main character of the series and shows up in everything alongside her. That said, I'm also fond of Sakuya, Remilia, and Junko, even if they're not as consistent in their appearances.

For Chai... Probably Kale? I know "summon your friends to do (X)" movesets are a bit contentious, but a big part of Hi-Fi Rush is Chai summoning his allies to assist in combat and puzzles, so the entire team would would probably be covered that way. The best bet would probably be the final boss (who's a little spoilery), the main villain Kale. But spoilers aside, he's got a cyborg body, four extra arms, and a laser blade, so he's be pretty damn cool regardless.

For Bandana Dee, definitely Magolor. He shows up the most after BWD, and RtDL DX gave him his own Extra Mode that gives him a little character arc and ties up some of his cameo appearances, and the idea of a floating trickster mage with portals, mines, and energy balls sounds interesting.

For Shadow, Tails is probably up next in the Sonic pipeline afterwards. The kid deserves some action again anyways, he's been on the bleachers since Unleashed. Knuckles is also pretty cool, but Tails is probably coming first.

For Monster Hunter, probably a Palico? All the monsters are cool except for congalala but very few of them would fit on the stages. Though, I'd be down for some of the NPC Hunters from Rise, like Hinoa, Minoto, or Fiorayne.

And for Miriam, definitely Zangetsu. Coolest boss fight in Bloodstained, best song, and leads the Curse of the Moon spinoffs.
 
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For PlayStation All Stars they wanted Snake but Kojima wanted them to do Raiden instead, They asked if they could do both, But Kojima said no because he didn’t want to see them fight.
So if Raiden was going to get into Smash he’d have to be like, Unable to attack Snake and vice versa.
Except Kojima isn't in charge of Metal Gear anymore. And Konami isn't going to give a ****.

So that gets me thinking, who would be your preferred partner to some of your most wanted characters if they got in? Whether it’s a character already playable in Smash or an additional newcomer?
Bill Rizer & Lance Bean [Contra]
Kunio & Riki [River City]
Captain Toad & Toadette [Treasure Tracker]
Bub & Bob [Bubble Bobble]
Goemon & Ebisumaru [Mystical Ninja]
Rash & Zitz [Battle Toads]
 

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Except Kojima isn't in charge of Metal Gear anymore. And Konami isn't going to give a ****.

Bill Rizer & Lance Bean [Contra]
Kunio & Riki [River City]
Captain Toad & Toadette [Treasure Tracker]
Bub & Bob [Bubble Bobble]
Goemon & Ebisumaru [Mystical Ninja]
Rash & Zitz [Battle Toads]
I could be wrong but wouldn’t Bill/Lance, Kunio/Riki, Bub/Bob, and Rash/Zitz be more likely as alts than unique characters? You could pick two of the same character and pair them that way but I’m more curious about separate fighters that make sense to pair together in a tag style fighting game system.

Although you definitely could make unique versions of all these characters too. Rash and Zitz play differently in the arcade game, Kunio and Riki play differently in River City Girls, and I believe there are gameplay differences between Bill and Lance in Operation Galuga do none of them have to be alts.
 
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So that gets me thinking, who would be your preferred partner to some of your most wanted characters if they got in? Whether it’s a character already playable in Smash or an additional newcomer? I’ll start with one of mine that has two solid options for a partner.

Without going into too many spoilers, Jinx has two solid options for a partner if they wanted to add a second character. Vi and Ekko. So Jinx is a glass cannon zoner style character, Vi is an in-your face brawler/boxer like Little Mac and Ekko manipulates time and flies through the air on a hover board. Whether they go with Vi or Ekko, they would each be a great addition to Smash and bring some welcome diversity to the roster. Vi would be our first openly LGBT+ character and Ekko would give us our first non-avatar black character. Both characters are really well written so neither would really feel like forced inclusions just for the sake of it. I think I’d lean towards Vi since her relationship with Jinx was one of the main focuses of Arcane and I like how her playstyle contrasts with Jinx but Ekko could be another great option.
Tiki - I guess Dragon Tiki and Normal Tiki? or maybe A!Tiki and Y!Tiki? Maybe? Bantu?
Estelle - Joshua
Saber - Shirou Emiya
Alear - Sommie
Sakura - Ogami
Noah - Mio
Mio - Noah
 

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I’ll list off a few more for some of my most wanted characters. Not that I think there’s much of a chance we’ll actually see them but it’s fun the theorize.

Magus - Crono (Oddly enough these two have no dual techs but you could always create one)

Rash - Pimple (Unique in this case based on Battlemaniacs)

Fulgore - Sabrewulf (There are tons of great options after Fulgore, hard to pick just one)

Sarah Kerrigan - Jim Raynor (These two have a complex history of being enemies and allies which makes them a cool duo)

Illidan Stormrage - Thrall (Two of the most iconic characters in WarCraft who have fought on the same side)

Zero - X (This one’s pretty self explanatory since they already work as a team in game)

Sub-Zero - Scorpion (Two iconic MK ninjas with a classic rivalry)
 
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So that gets me thinking, who would be your preferred partner to some of your most wanted characters if they got in? Whether it’s a character already playable in Smash or an additional newcomer? I’ll start with one of mine that has two solid options for a partner.
Let's see:

  • Monokuma & Junko Enashima (Danganronpa)
  • Phoenix Wright & Maya Fey (Ace Attorney)
  • Tidus & Yuna (Final Fantasy X)
  • Professor Layton & Luke Triton (Professor Layton)
  • Asuka Kazama & Lili Rochefort (Tekken)
  • Ryu Hayabusa & Kasumi (Ninja Gaiden & Dead or Alive)
 

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Wait a minute. Is there really no way to just listen to the Smash Character Fanfare’s in-game in Ultimate?
 

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-King Dedede could get his Club Penguin design
Bit late to this but I'd rather not have this happen until it's clear they're really serious about it. Dedede's design is tweaked so notoriously often that we could just as well have moved onto the next one by the time next Smash drops lol. If we're able to make this stick for a couple more mainline titles then I'll be more open to it, although to me his Super Star / Smash design is the most consistent and fitting.

Personally I'm not sure if this rounder Dedede strikes me as suitable for a fighting game the same way the one we've already got is. And I think Smash Dedede's face conveys more varied expressions at that. So it'd be a pretty stark change for me, at least the way I'm envisioning it, as someone whose favorite character is the great king. Don't mind them doing whatever in the main stuff but this is one case where I'm fully in favor of Sakurai sticking to his guns.
 

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So, with Switch 2 Edition games being a thing, I can see “Ultimate DX” being likely actually. After Air Riders comes out, I can see Sakurai pivoting the Bamco team back to Ultimate. Or maybe an update is already in development? They did add spirit battles a couple years after Sora came out for the fifth anniversary I believe. And that random update last October is kinda suspicious.

So what would they add in the update? I can see it being low stakes like reducing input lag and a balance patch. Maybe fix the online, Switch 2 can run SF6, and it has crossplay, so rollback is apparently possible now. Or they could squeeze a couple extra dollars out of us with a $20-$30 upgrade pack with more significant content a la Mario Party Jamboree and Kirby. Stages, a mode or two, and of course, fighters could be included.

I might be delusional because this is something I really want to happen, but the prospect of “Ultimate Switch 2 Edition” counters a lot of the main arguments against Ult being expanded upon over a new Smash being developed immediately. Ult deluxe being redundant because of backwards compatibility? A Switch 2 Edition solves that because it’s literally the same game with an update. They also don’t have to renegotiate the rights for all the third parties again because they already did years ago, Ultimate already exists in its current form and they would just have to add on to it. It’s essentially just more DLC.

I dunno man the more I think about it the more of a slam dunk this idea sounds. People would pay for it, I know I would. It just sounds too easy for Nintendo to not pass up. And because it technically isn’t a new entry, an entirely new Smash Bros can be made for the system eventually. So… Best of both worlds?
 
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So that gets me thinking, who would be your preferred partner to some of your most wanted characters if they got in? Whether it’s a character already playable in Smash or an additional newcomer? I’ll start with one of mine that has two solid options for a partner.
well
Toad/Toadette
Chibi-Robo/Chbi-Tot (or Drake Redcrest)
Tails/Sonic
Octoling/Inkling (or another octoling)
Bandana Dee/Kirby
Impa/Zelda
Rex/Pyra/Mythra
Noah/Mio
 

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So, with Switch 2 Edition games being a thing, I can see “Ultimate DX” being likely actually. After Air Riders comes out, I can see Sakurai pivoting the Bamco team back to Ultimate. Or maybe an update is already in development? They did add spirit battles 4 years after Sora came out for the fifth anniversary I believe. And that random update last October is kinda suspicious.
The longer we go without an Ult DX, the less it makes sense to do that instead of just doing a new game. Plus, Sakurai's the guy who came back to direct Brawl, despite Nintendo announcing him to be the director without him knowing beforehand, simply because he didn't want Smash Wii to just be a Melee port. If we get an Ultimate Deluxe at all, I doubt it'll be because of Sakurai.

So what would they add in the update? I can see it being low stakes like reducing input lag and a balance patch. Maybe fix the online, Switch 2 can run SF6, and it has crossplay, so rollback is apparently possible now. Or they could squeeze a couple extra dollars out of us with a $20-$30 upgrade pack with more significant content a la Mario Party Jamboree and Kirby. Stages, a mode or two, and of course, fighters could be included.
Mind you, "the last game but with better online" is the exactly what Nintendo would've done if Sakurai hadn't come back - And the exact scenario Sakurai didn't want to happen.

I might be delusional because this is something I really want to happen, but the prospect of “Ultimate Switch 2 Edition” counters a lot of the main arguments against Ult being expanded upon over a new Smash being developed immediately. Ult deluxe being redundant because of backwards compatibility? A Switch 2 Edition solves that because it’s literally the same game with an update. They also don’t have to renegotiate the rights for all the third parties again because they don’t have to, Ultimate already exists in its current form and they would just have to add on to it. It’s essentially just more DLC.
To my knowledge, these Switch 2 Editions are essentially new releases being sold separately, even if they're technically updates of older titles. I may be wrong, I'll admit, but if things are as I understand, Nintendo might have to go back and renegotiate for everything in the base game to make sure it's fine to re-release them in this new form.

And that's saying nothing about DLC, which are definitely a catch-22 situation. Either the DLC characters aren't in the base game and you have to spend the equivalent of a second copy of SSBU just to get the full experience - Defeating the point of a deluxe edition - Or they're moved to the base game, which requires extra negotiations due to third-parties taking royalties from the full game and not the DLC.

I dunno man the more I think about it the more of a slam dunk this idea sounds. People would pay for it, I know I would. It just sounds too easy for Nintendo to not pass up. And because it technically isn’t a new entry, an entirely new Smash Bros can be made for the system eventually. So… Best of both worlds?
I think you're underestimating how much game dev takes. Assuming the hypothetical SSBU DX isn't just SSBU with rollback, which Sakurai probably wouldn't be satisfied with, every extra stage and fighter is an extra bit of time and resources that has to be spent. If Sakurai's working with a skeleton team like with the DLC, that's gonna take a year or two just for five fighters. If it's a full team's worth, you might as well focus everything on an actual new installment.

That's also without going into the marketing aspect - Smash Ultimate Again But Moreso drums up less hype and generates less profits for Nintendo than making a whole new game. Given that most people who would want to buy Smash Ultimate already has it, we're looking at $20 vs $80; Even in the somewhat unlikely scenario where Nintendo gives into the backlash and scaled back the prices, I can't see them going below the 8th-gen standard of $60, which is still three times more than the cost of upgrading to SSBU DX.

I dunno, I feel like most arguments for Ultimate Deluxe start with the conclusion of "It makes sense to make SSBU DX" and work back to justify it, instead of weighing things evenly and considering any potential alternatives.
 

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Yeah I'm still honestly of the opinion that Ultimate would just be one of those games that's compatible and gets a slight performance boost or whatever.

Like the Switch 2's faster loading or higher specs in general might make it so you don't have to wait for a second when you select an alternate color anymore lol

But in terms of anything like a Switch 2 Edition, I feel like Sakurai would probably just make a new game instead.
 

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To my knowledge, these Switch 2 Editions are essentially new releases being sold separately, even if they're technically updates of older titles. I may be wrong, I'll admit, but if things are as I understand, Nintendo might have to go back and renegotiate for everything in the base game to make sure it's fine to re-release them in this new form.

And that's saying nothing about DLC, which are definitely a catch-22 situation. Either the DLC characters aren't in the base game and you have to spend the equivalent of a second copy of SSBU just to get the full experience - Defeating the point of a deluxe edition - Or they're moved to the base game, which requires extra negotiations due to third-parties taking royalties from the full game and not the DLC.
Ok, so here’s the thing you’re misunderstanding with Switch 2 Editions. They aren’t new games, they are quite literally just an update, DLC, patch, whatever you want to call it. The physical switch 2 editions boxes are apparently just the Switch 1 cartridges plus a download code. They aren’t rereleases, You don’t have to buy the entire game again. Let’s say you have a physical cartridge of Ultimate you bought on launch day 2018. You can just plop that exact same cartridge in the Switch 2 and download the upgrade pack from the eShop. All your save data would still be there, every spirit you collected, character unlocked, hours logged in, and online match history since, again, it’s just DLC. That kinda makes your point about Sakurai not just wanting to port Melee to the Wii and make a new game moot, since it’s not a port. And about the DLC characters, you don’t have to buy them again because it’s an update. It would basically be version 14.0. In my proposition, if you bought Ult 2 Switch edition physically for the first time, you would just get base game Ultimate and a download code that adds the new features and characters. And you would still have to buy Piranha Plant and Fighters Pass 1 and 2 separately. The reason I think this is so possible is because nothing is being made from the ground up, no movesets have to be redone, no content removed because Ultimate is already out. Sora and Steve wouldn’t be removed, unless Nintendo decided to inexplicably remove content in downloadable updates, which is I don’t think is likely, or even legal especially if you already paid for it lol. To put it another way, think of the booster course pass in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, that’s essentially what I want the Switch 2 edition to be.
 

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since it’s not a port
Actually I think NS2 editions are ports since according to Nintendo, when you run Switch 1 games on your Switch 2 without getting an upgrade, they're being emulated through a compatibility layer. Kinda, sorta. Ever heard of this program for Mac and Linux called WINE that lets you run Windows programs on different OS's, and how it stands for "WINE Is Not an Emulator" because it's technically true?
 

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On the topic of DK Bananza, I'm actually seeing decent evidence floating around that King K Rool will actually be returning. We've seen a number of crocodile themed enemies in the game and Cranky Kong seems to have a good idea who the "banana thief" is and is very familiar with them.

I actually think we will see K Rool
 

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On the topic of DK Bananza, I'm actually seeing decent evidence floating around that King K Rool will actually be returning. We've seen a number of crocodile themed enemies in the game and Cranky Kong seems to have a good idea who the "banana thief" is and is very familiar with them.

I actually think we will see K Rool
Tbh DK Bonanza looks like one of those games that was made to show the technical capabilities of the console with Donkey Kong just shoehorned in. Doesn't really give off DK vibes at all for me. I'd love to see the King return, but I'll believe it when I see it.. :/ I had the same feeling back in the day when they announced Banjo Kazooie Nuts & Bolts.. Hopefully this isn't a similar situation..
 
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Ok, so here’s the thing you’re misunderstanding with Switch 2 Editions. They aren’t new games, they are quite literally just an update, DLC, patch, whatever you want to call it. The physical switch 2 editions boxes are apparently just the Switch 1 cartridges plus a download code. They aren’t rereleases, You don’t have to buy the entire game again. Let’s say you have a physical cartridge of Ultimate you bought on launch day 2018. You can just plop that exact same cartridge in the Switch 2 and download the upgrade pack from the eShop. All your save data would still be there, every spirit you collected, character unlocked, hours logged in, and online match history since, again, it’s just DLC. That kinda makes your point about Sakurai not just wanting to port Melee to the Wii and make a new game moot, since it’s not a port. And about the DLC characters, you don’t have to buy them again because it’s an update. It would basically be version 14.0. In my proposition, if you bought Ult 2 Switch edition physically for the first time, you would just get base game Ultimate and a download code that adds the new features and characters. And you would still have to buy Piranha Plant and Fighters Pass 1 and 2 separately. The reason I think this is so possible is because nothing is being made from the ground up, no movesets have to be redone, no content removed because Ultimate is already out. Sora and Steve wouldn’t be removed, unless Nintendo decided to inexplicably remove content in downloadable updates, which is I don’t think is likely, or even legal especially if you already paid for it lol. To put it another way, think of the booster course pass in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, that’s essentially what I want the Switch 2 edition to be.
The problem here is that you're trying to get people hyped for the new system. To do this, you're putting out a version of a pre-existing game that's already been around for seven-plus years that still doesn't have all the content included. You're still putting in the manpower needed to make a Fighter's Pass worth of extra content, and selling it as an incomplete package that needs you to spend more for the full SSBU experience. It'll get the dedicated fans over, sure, but that's not a very strong platform to sell an "Ultimate Deluxe" on. Furthermore,
Actually I think NS2 editions are ports since according to Nintendo, when you run Switch 1 games on your Switch 2 without getting an upgrade, they're being emulated through a compatibility layer. Kinda, sorta. Ever heard of this program for Mac and Linux called WINE that lets you run Windows programs on different OS's, and how it stands for "WINE Is Not an Emulator" because it's technically true?
It is a port, since the Switch 2's architecture was built from the ground-up. That's why we have a list of games that might have issues on the Switch 2. Which means that, in your hypothetical, Sakurai's spent a couple years working on a different game entirely, and will now go back to SSBU to spend what may well be an extra year or so porting it over and giving it extra content, and then moving on to the next Smash. It just... Doesn't seem necessary, y'know?

Also, if I remember correctly, the Booster Course Pass drew heavily from Mario Kart Tour content, so it at least had a framework to go off of. A hypothetical Ultimate DX simply wouldn't have that to use as a reference point.
 

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Actually I think NS2 editions are ports since according to Nintendo, when you run Switch 1 games on your Switch 2 without getting an upgrade, they're being emulated through a compatibility layer. Kinda, sorta. Ever heard of this program for Mac and Linux called WINE that lets you run Windows programs on different OS's, and how it stands for "WINE Is Not an Emulator" because it's technically true?
Yeah this situation is a little blurry. I understood the upgrade pack to be a “recompilation”, which is technically an update to the base Switch 1 game to “transform” into a Switch 2 Edition? Though there is the thing where if you put the cartridge back in a Switch 1 it reverts back into the Switch 1 edition. Technology is kinda funny.
 

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I could be wrong but wouldn’t Bill/Lance, Kunio/Riki, Bub/Bob, and Rash/Zitz be more likely as alts than unique characters? You could pick two of the same character and pair them that way but I’m more curious about separate fighters that make sense to pair together in a tag style fighting game system.
You could probably stretch them into Echoes. But you want characters that are different? I guess, but most of what comes to mind are rivalries, not teamups.

For Veterans:
Snake & Raiden [Metal Gear]
Sonic & Tails [Sonic the Hedgehog]
X & Zero [Mega Man]
Cloud & Tifa [Final Fantasy]
Richter & Alucard [Castlevania]
Hero & Sage [Dragon Quest]
Terry & Andy [Fatal Fury]
Sora & Rikku [Kingdom Hearts]

Newcomers:
Arthur & Firebrand [Ghosts n' Goblins]
Chris & Jill [Resident Evil]
Hunter & Palico [Monster Hunter]
Dante & Virgil [Devil May Cry]
Kiryu & Majima [Like A Dragon]
 

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Yeah this situation is a little blurry. I understood the upgrade pack to be a “recompilation”, which is technically an update to the base Switch 1 game to “transform” into a Switch 2 Edition? Though there is the thing where if you put the cartridge back in a Switch 1 it reverts back into the Switch 1 edition. Technology is kinda funny.
I think what's going on is that when you buy an NS2 upgrade, it's downloading the entirety of the NS2 port to your Switch 2 and leaving the game cartridge data alone, and only using the cart as proof you legally own a game.
 

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On the topic of DK Bananza, I'm actually seeing decent evidence floating around that King K Rool will actually be returning. We've seen a number of crocodile themed enemies in the game and Cranky Kong seems to have a good idea who the "banana thief" is and is very familiar with them.

I actually think we will see K Rool
Nah, it will be Chunky Kong, who is back and stole the bananas to betray the Kong Clan after not being used for so long. How else is Cranky familiar with the banana thief? :troll:
 

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The problem here is that you're trying to get people hyped for the new system. To do this, you're putting out a version of a pre-existing game that's already been around for seven-plus years that still doesn't have all the content included. You're still putting in the manpower needed to make a Fighter's Pass worth of extra content, and selling it as an incomplete package that needs you to spend more for the full SSBU experience. It'll get the dedicated fans over, sure, but that's not a very strong platform to sell an "Ultimate Deluxe" on
There has been a NS2 edition game announced that had DLC, Breath of the Wild. I’m not sure but there’s a chance that the DLC isn’t included with the base game + upgrade pack. If that’s the case, then they’d already be selling an incomplete experience that you have to pay extra for. And if the DLC content IS included, that opens up the possibility that the DLC for Switch 1 Ult can just be part of the Upgrade pack as well.

As an aside, if the NS2 Edition games ARE indeed ports, that’d make the Switch 2 presentation a lot more impressive than I initially thought. That’s a lot of technically new games that’s been shown, lol. Also my hypothetical also acknowledges the possibility that Ultimate NS2 Edition might’ve been developed alongside or simultaneously with Air Riders. Not the first time Sakurai’s worked on multiple projects at once, lol. I just don’t think it’s all that impossible or impractical as you’re making it out to be.
 
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So that gets me thinking, who would be your preferred partner to some of your most wanted characters if they got in? Whether it’s a character already playable in Smash or an additional newcomer? I’ll start with one of mine that has two solid options for a partner.

Without going into too many spoilers, Jinx has two solid options for a partner if they wanted to add a second character. Vi and Ekko. So Jinx is a glass cannon zoner style character, Vi is an in-your face brawler/boxer like Little Mac and Ekko manipulates time and flies through the air on a hover board. Whether they go with Vi or Ekko, they would each be a great addition to Smash and bring some welcome diversity to the roster. Vi would be our first openly LGBT+ character and Ekko would give us our first non-avatar black character. Both characters are really well written so neither would really feel like forced inclusions just for the sake of it. I think I’d lean towards Vi since her relationship with Jinx was one of the main focuses of Arcane and I like how her playstyle contrasts with Jinx but Ekko could be another great option.
Dragapult and Baxcalibur
Midna and Wolf Link
Isaac and Mia or any of the other party members
Amazon Pandora and Dark Pit
V-Raptor and U-Raptor
Hatterene and Grimmsnarl
King Boo and King Bob-omb
Twintelle and Ninjara
Maxwell and Lily
Morrigan Aensland and Lilith
Athena Asamiya and Sie Kensou
Okabe Rintaro and Makise Kurisu
Scorpion and Sub-Zero
Dizzy and Ky Kiske
Shadowheart and Lae'zel
 

DarthEnderX

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So, with Switch 2 Edition games being a thing, I can see “Ultimate DX” being likely actually. After Air Riders comes out, I can see Sakurai pivoting the Bamco team back to Ultimate. Or maybe an update is already in development?
I've read that Bandai Namco’s new Studio 2/Studio S (internal teams that work on Nintendo games) had job listings for a 2D and a 3D action game.

3D game could be Air Riders. 2D game could be Smash.

Either the DLC characters aren't in the base game and you have to spend the equivalent of a second copy of SSBU just to get the full experience - Defeating the point of a deluxe edition
The point of a S2E is to bring the game to the Switch 2 with better performnce(BotW, TotK), and sometimes to add more content(Jamboree, Kirby).

DLC undoes neither of those things.

I dunno, I feel like most arguments for Ultimate Deluxe start with the conclusion of "It makes sense to make SSBU DX" and work back to justify it, instead of weighing things evenly and considering any potential alternatives.
True. But the pro-Smash 6 crowd does the same thing. Both groups just try and make justifications for the result they want, and excuses for the one they don't.

If SSBU DX is possible, Nintendo must give the audience a good reason to upgrade other than visuals and processing power.
I mean...they don't HAVE to. BotW and TotK aren't. But I hope they do.


Seeing all the crazy new **** in Mario Kart World, especially after a decade of 8 and 8 Deluxe, only reinforces my desire for a new Smash game with new ideas.
Not me. Cause that just terrifies me with visions of Smash 6 being some kinda of 3D open world game.

I don't want Smash Odyssey/of the Wild/Forgotten Land/Bananza/Kart World.
 

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I have posted this video in another thread, but Super Smash Bros Crusade has revealed Sans as the next character for their roster. His moveset pool is interesting as a zoner lightweight.
Also, it was made for Undertale's 10th anniversary. Feeling old yet? Don't worry, Toby has worked a ton for us. A skele-ton.
 

DarthEnderX

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He doesn’t want to switch to Free Roam and explore Pokefloats
I know what Pokefloats really is...I don't want to know how tortured their existence really is...

I have posted this video in another thread, but Super Smash Bros Crusade has revealed Sans as the next character for their roster.
Their skits at the beginning are becoming more cringey as they get more elaborate.
 
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