Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[CosmicEternity44]

Short term: Maybe
Long term: No way

If they dropped 64 or Melee on NSO, that might keep players occupied until a new Smash releases in say 2027. Especially Melee.

But if they waited until the 2030’s, people would be going rabid no matter what was on Switch Online. The people demand a new Smash hype cycle.

Well, as much as I didn't say it, good thing I did not mean in the long term.

 

[Master Hero Sock-on-Rye]

I think smash bros not being released this year and next year is good to allow the voice actor and design changes to be implemented.

As we all know so far, DK is getting his 80's look, Sakurai is working on his old project of Kirby Air Riders and Charles Martinet is no longer the voice for the Mario bros and Wario bros since he retired and now the president of Mario. What else will occur for Nintendo characters?

I can think of a few changes to Nintendo's all-stars:

• Peach gets a moveset rework based on Showtime, with Daisy either getting a moveset of her own or being demoted to an Assist Trophy.
• Link's grab is replaced by the Ultrahand from TOTK, sort of like how Luigi's grab in Ultimate uses the Poltergust from Luigi's Mansion 3.
  • The modding community will try to be funny and replace it with the Ultra Hand toy from the 60s. Change my mind.
• Now that Sakurai's working on a new Kirby game, the puffball's Inhale ability might change to where he gets moves from his home series that resemble his opponent's move.
• If Sora returns for the next game, Corey Burton now voices King K. Rool's taunts.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Even if they're wrong.

I'm not though. The SNES games have some seriously janky hit detection.

Tropical Freeze is the best DKC game, and it's not even close.

I also don't really like the comparison to Luigi. Luigi has his own games

Diddy Kong Racing:

I’d wager the Mini-Pauline is a completely new character.

She has black hair, red clothes and Pauline's exact hairline.

Either that's Pauline's daughter, or this is a prequel.

 

[Borskaboska]

So since this new DK game is what the 3d mario team has been working on, I'm guessing it's the reason why we haven't gotten any odyssey DLC or anything. Before the direct, I actually had a theory about what I thought the next 3d mario project would be like.
A lot of recent nintendo projects have been sharing a lot on DNA recently, sharing similar structures and gameplay loops and design philosophies. I definitely felt similarities between how odyssey's moons were set up and BotW's Koroks, both having changable costumes, and the flags and shrines in each game functioning as warp points. Now this new DK game seems to be incorporating destructible terrain, which will probably allow you to skip a lot of segments like how the runes let you skip puzzles in BotW. So i'm predicting a sort of "breath of the wild-ification" of the next mario game. Specifically, a focus on physics and environment interaction.

Wonder already started playing with this, there were several intractable physics objects in the game like the falling pillars you could push and the rolling rocks. Mario has never really had complex physics before, so the way the pillars actually interacted with level geometry as they landed really stood out to me. And it also had a lot more elemental interaction too, I'm think about Elephant mario having unique interactions with water, the popcorn enemies interacting with fire tiles, it even had the same metal conducting electricity mechanic from BotW. Mario had been adding more interactivity between level elements since Maker, but there is definitely some zelda influences in how wonder incorporates it.

So I'm thinking in the next mario game, you'd be able to interact with physics based objects, maybe in some kind of being able to pick things up and throw them way, or something silly like rolling them up Katamari style. And items will have more material/element based interactions, maybe Mario will have something similar to the elemental pultergust powerups in Luigi's mansion or he'd be able to change what material he's made of through something like the metal cap.

 

[Idon]

Since Cranky Kong was the first Donkey Kong who, in his youth, had come face to face with Mario and had then kidnapped Pauline, then this character, "Mini-Pauline", cannot be Pauline, unless something supposedly happened and she became even younger, although I don't think so.

Xander Mobus Voice:

PAULINE!... Junior?

 

[Diddy Kong]

Anyway. With Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom coming back for a re-release, what are the current opinions on Zelda newcomers?

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Anyway. With Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom coming back for a re-release, what are the current opinions on Zelda newcomers?

I am strenghtened in my belief that it should be Kohga, but probably will be one of the Sages (Sidon)

 

[fogbadge]

Anyway. With Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom coming back for a re-release, what are the current opinions on Zelda newcomers?

non existent as usual

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Anyway. With Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom coming back for a re-release, what are the current opinions on Zelda newcomers?

I still think Skull Kid is most likely.

 

[Noipoi]

Anyway. With Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom coming back for a re-release, what are the current opinions on Zelda newcomers?

Toy Link is still on his way!

 

[Ivander]

Anyway. With Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom coming back for a re-release, what are the current opinions on Zelda newcomers?

Honestly, if we get a Zelda newcomer, there's no telling which one we'll get.

That being said, Mipha and Sidon are no longer our only Spear-users.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Anyway. With Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom coming back for a re-release, what are the current opinions on Zelda newcomers?

Rauru being one of the main playable characters in Age of Imprisonment seems to help his odds of being playable, especially if they start making Smash close to its release.

A spear user who uses the hand abilities from Tears of the Kingdom would definitely be unique.

 

[BackseatSakurai]

Tropical Freeze is the best DKC game, and it's not even close.

You had me in the first half. DKC1 has jank and suffers tremendously for it - I think it's easily the worst of the 2D games, not counting the GB ones. I personally found DKC2 and DKC3 to be way better than 1 in terms of control. I think the Retro games are more polished, but safer and less charming. I actually think 3 is the best of the OG trilogy and that between people hating Kiddy and its late release, people just write it off unfairly.

Side note, did anyone else ever have the headcanon that Kiddy Kong and Chunky Kong are actually the same character? I always interpreted it as Chunky still being relatively young during DK64, and Kiddy simply being a nickname (think, if there was a baby Kong called Baby Kong - eventually they'd outgrow this name - same thing with Kiddy). Especially when you consider the entire joke of Kiddy being that he's surprisingly strong despite being a little baby, having that sort of carry through to Chunky's cowardly demeanor despite his immense strength makes perfect sense. Plus, they both wear blue.

EDIT: i know the given explanation for official purposes is that Chunky is Kiddy's older brother.

 

[Mikegamer0608]

So I’m gonna guess that character is either Young Pauline, Pauline’s daughter, or maybe one of Pauline’s family members maybe young sister/niece?

 

[DarthEnderX]

So since this new DK game is what the 3d mario team has been working on, I'm guessing it's the reason why we haven't gotten any odyssey DLC or anything

I was certain Odyssey was going to get an Isle Delfino DLC where the Power Moons look like Shines.

PAULINE!... Junior?

WHO'S THE FATHER?!

Anyway. With Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom coming back for a re-release, what are the current opinions on Zelda newcomers?

TotK Ganondorf! With Black Shadow inheriting the Falcondorf moveset.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

DK is gonna use pauline like peach uses toad in the next smash game.

 

[Noipoi]

DK is gonna use pauline like peach uses toad in the next smash game.

DEPLOY THE CHILD

 

[Arcanir]

Anyway. With Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom coming back for a re-release, what are the current opinions on Zelda newcomers?

Between BotW, TotK, the rereleases, AoC, and the Imprisoning War it's clear that this segment of the franchise is a landmark for the franchise and Nintendo seems to recognize it as such. So really, a character should be more in consideration now since it's clear they're not letting it fade away so soon. It's really just, as said before, what character do you choose? There are differing casts between the games, with even the ones with the most overlap could end up missing a game depending on how the Imprisoning War goes, and most have varying levels of popularity. So it ends up being a less clear-cut case since there's not an immediate stand-out candidate.

Personally, I would like one of Kohga, Sidon, or Urbosa if they pick one.

 

[Watuna4343]

For the Zelda newcomer, I had commented a while ago and I still stand by my prediction that it'd be Sidon as the frontrunner. He's very popular, is not a one-hit character and is from a wildly successful era for Zelda (and also in terms of moveset potential... enter the Trident, something that isn't in Smash). I think he makes a lot of sense as a newcomer in Smash 6.

Now, in terms of the female character in Donkey Kong. I'm gonna say that I don't think it's Pauline. I might turn out to be wrong on this but currently, I doubt for real that this is Pauline, mainly because she's the damsel in distress to Donkey Kong and them teaming up would be like Bowser teaming up with Peach in his own game. I'd say that it's a new character altogether (she also seems to wear a black shirt underneath which I don't think I've ever seen Pauline wear) who is similar to Pauline.

 

[cashregister9]

DEPLOY THE CHILD

Donkey Kong's new Side Special

 

[Nabbitfan730]

Everyone done this before already. These exact developers with Jungle Beat. Retro Studios too.

I would've liked things to be more the same FOR ONCE.

You mean like Returns and Tropical Freeze? Even then, how would get things to be the same "for ONCE"? Rare isn't what it once was.

Hasn't been a true 3D game in 30 years either

 

[MasterCheef]

TotK Ganondorf! With Black Shadow inheriting the Falcondorf moveset.

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What about ; Rauru ?

 

[DemifiendEnjoyer]

Has anyone ever discussed the idea of a duo based Smash game where every character would be able to swap like Pyramid and Mythra (And also Zelda and Shiek in Melee and Brawl and Samus and Zero Suit Samus in Brawl.). Like you pick two characters to swap between but every character also has a set partner.
I’ll use the original 12 as examples:
Mario and Luigi, Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong, Yoshi and Birdo, Fox and Falco, Pikachu and Eevee.
Maybe Ness and Mr. Saturn, Jiggleypuff and Clefairy since they are both pink ball shaped fairy Pokemon and Clefairy was considered for Smash 64 instead of Jiggleypuff.
And as far as new characters you could go for iconic duos in video games. Bub and Bob from Bubble Bobble, Ratchet and Clank maybe if Playstation characters are possible.
And get this, The game could be called “Super Smash Bros. Dual Duel” like the Smash equivalent to Double Dash, But also with the fight synonym names like Melee and Brawl.
I highly doubt this would happen but it would be cool, And also potentially a really good way to differentiate a new game from Ultimate.

Edit: “Pyramid and Mythra” lol

 

[Master Hero Sock-on-Rye]

Has anyone ever discussed the idea of a duo based Smash game where every character would be able to swap like Pyramid and Mythra (And also Zelda and Shiek in Melee and Brawl and Samus and Zero Suit Samus in Brawl.). Like you pick two characters to swap between but every character also has a set partner.
I’ll use the original 12 as examples:
Mario and Luigi, Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong, Yoshi and Birdo, Fox and Falco, Pikachu and Eevee.
Maybe Ness and Mr. Saturn, Jiggleypuff and Clefairy since they are both pink ball shaped fairy Pokemon and Clefairy was considered for Smash 64 instead of Jiggleypuff.
And as far as new characters you could go for iconic duos in video games. Bub and Bob from Bubble Bobble, Ratchet and Clank maybe if Playstation characters are possible.
And get this, The game could be called “Super Smash Bros. Dual Duel” like the Smash equivalent to Double Dash, But also with the fight synonym names like Melee and Brawl.
I highly doubt this would happen but it would be cool, And also potentially a really good way to differentiate a new game from Ultimate.

Edit: “Pyramid and Mythra” lol

On Nintendo's turf, I can absolutely see Link and Zelda as one of these duos, assuming we're going for Pyra and Mythra as a baseline. Although, I wouldn't be opposed to a Pokemon Trainer with legendary (read: box art) Pokemon from both games.

For potential third-parties, Sonic already has three options between Tails, Knuckles, and Shadow to consider. Adding to this, Ryu and Ken could fit as well from Capcom. And if they could get Square's approval, Cloud and Zack might work.

But in all fairness, this would work as a fine spinoff to Smash.

 

[DemifiendEnjoyer]

On Nintendo's turf, I can absolutely see Link and Zelda as one of these duos, assuming we're going for Pyra and Mythra as a baseline. Although, I wouldn't be opposed to a Pokemon Trainer with legendary (read: box art) Pokemon from both games.

For potential third-parties, Sonic already has three options between Tails, Knuckles, and Shadow to consider. Adding to this, Ryu and Ken could fit as well from Capcom. And if they could get Square's approval, Cloud and Zack might work.

But in all fairness, this would work as a fine spinoff to Smash.

For the Square characters I’d suggest Chocobo and Moogle since that’s an established duo in Final Fantasy, Or alternatively Chocobo and Slime since as the mascots of the two biggest rpg’s they are used together a lot.

 

[Ivander]

Has anyone ever discussed the idea of a duo based Smash game where every character would be able to swap like Pyramid and Mythra

Edit: “Pyramid and Mythra” lol

Uh, guys. Pyra looks very different in my game.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Anyway. With Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom coming back for a re-release, what are the current opinions on Zelda newcomers?

10 more years of breath of the wild discourse i hate it

 

[DarthEnderX]

What about ; Rauru ?

I have no interest in him.

 

[PersonAngelo53]

New take on how Sans in smash could play just dropped. This is an addition to the smash bros crusade mod.

I love how what I assume is his grab is making the opponent into a heart that he controls in the game box the player is in Undertale.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

That being said, Mipha and Sidon are no longer our only Spear-users.

That's right, we already have one:

WHO'S THE FATHER?!

Considering how he's somehow fathered the Koopalings, I wouldn't put it past Miyamoto to be behind this.

DEPLOY THE CHILD

THEN ADD AKUMA SO HE CAN CASUALLY MESSATSU IT

New take on how Sans in smash could play just dropped. This is an addition to the smash bros crusade mod.

I love how what I assume is his grab is making the opponent into a heart that he controls in the game box the player is in Undertale.

Oh. My. Goodness.

A Sans moveset that doesn't refuse to animate and thus completely lack clarity and impact. I am now sold on this character. This is genuinely really cool.

EDIT: It's also super funny that he looks this good in a game where pretty much everyone else looks terrible. lol
EDIT EDIT: I suppose that's not entirely true, they've come a long way since I last played it, but there are still characters that don't quite match with the overall art style, and I suspect there are still some characters using sprite rips as well.

 

[BackseatSakurai]

I love how what I assume is his grab is making the opponent into a heart that he controls in the game box the player is in Undertale.

Yeah, that was rad. I'd be thrilled to see an Undertale rep. It's a shame Frisk / "The Human" probably couldn't join the fray due to them being forced to fight being...well, weird given the source material. But if the Sans moveset was similar to this (with the heart-box references like you noted and general creativity) I'd be all for it. I think this is highly likely given the broad appeal - across age ranges, across territories, etc.

 

[waddledeeonredyoshi]

DEPLOY THE CHILD

Yo these new smash attacks are SICK!!!

 

[DarthEnderX]

New take on how Sans in smash could play just dropped. This is an addition to the smash bros crusade mod.

I love how what I assume is his grab is making the opponent into a heart that he controls in the game box the player is in Undertale.

I love how they used the unusued "Song That Might Play When You Fight Sans" instead of the more cliche Megalovania.

 

[dezeray112]

For potential third-parties, Sonic already has three options between Tails, Knuckles, and Shadow to consider. Adding to this, Ryu and Ken could fit as well from Capcom. And if they could get Square's approval, Cloud and Zack might work.

I could see Danganronpa's Monokuma and Junko Enashima act as a potential duo fighter.

 

[Diddy Kong]

You mean like Returns and Tropical Freeze? Even then, how would get things to be the same "for ONCE"? Rare isn't what it once was.

Hasn't been a true 3D game in 30 years either

True. But many of the Rare elements and characters have been straight up denied. First by Jungle Beat, with the excuse of them not being "fresh enough for today's audiences" and then Tanabe intervened with Returns (not sure about Tropical Freeze) about them wanting to use Rare characters and enemies moreso.

PAON never had any problems doing this. The very last villain role of K.Rool in a Donkey Kong game for example was DK Jungle Climber. K.Rool and Cranky also where first playable in games made by them. Even Lanky Kong returned in DK Barrel Blast and they made new Kremlings for this game even. This is the kind of approach I wanted.

I'm curious on what Bananza is gonna be in the end. Yeah it looks amazing, and fun. And am glad it excists. I just hope to see my favorites, that's all.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

My opinion is that Bananza was planned as a Switch 1 game but was moved to the Switch 2 either early or middle of development. Not sure why the Switch 1 didn't have an original game outside of Retro being busy.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

DK's status during the Switch era feels like a combination of plans falling through (the Vicarious Visions project being cancelled), many would be 2nd parties being busy on other projects, and possibly the scope of Bananza ultimately being too ambitious for contemporary hardware. The former appears to have been in pre-production before or early in the Switch's release. Retro, the most recent studio to do DK work was pulled to do MP4. Nintendo EPD finally deciding to do a Donkey Kong game themselves may have simply gone so big (as they tend to do) that it was believed that a launch game for a new system could do more justice to it than a late release on Switch 1.

It was an unfortunate set of circumstances and to some degree the result of Nintendo not quite having enough teams for all their series circa the late 2010s. Given how protective Miyamoto tends to be of DK, and seemingly every other notable Nintendo IP barring F-Zero and Star Fox got major Switch games, it's unlikely this was the result of any disinterest or apathy about Donkey Kong and just that the company didn't quite have their ducks in a row to get a new title done until now.

 

[toonito]

On Nintendo's turf, I can absolutely see Link and Zelda as one of these duos, assuming we're going for Pyra and Mythra as a baseline. Although, I wouldn't be opposed to a Pokemon Trainer with legendary (read: box art) Pokemon from both games.

For potential third-parties, Sonic already has three options between Tails, Knuckles, and Shadow to consider. Adding to this, Ryu and Ken could fit as well from Capcom. And if they could get Square's approval, Cloud and Zack might work.

But in all fairness, this would work as a fine spinoff to Smash.

more potential 3rd party pairings:

Megaman:
Megaman/Proto Man, Megaman/Roll, Megaman/X, Megaman/Zero

Metal Gear
Snake/Raiden, Snake/Big Boss

Street Fighter:
Ryu/Ken, Ryu/Chun-Li, Ryu/Sakura

Final Fantasy 7:
Cloud/Tifa, Cloud/Zack, Cloud/Sephiroth

Tekken:
Kazuya/Heihachi, Kazuya/Jin, Kazuya/Jun

Fatal Fury:
Terry/Andy, Terry/Rock, Terry/Blue Mary

Bayonetta:
Bayonetta/Jeanne

Kingdom Hearts
Sora/Roxas, Sora/Riku

 

[PersonAngelo53]

Has anyone ever discussed the idea of a duo based Smash game where every character would be able to swap like Pyramid and Mythra (And also Zelda and Shiek in Melee and Brawl and Samus and Zero Suit Samus in Brawl.). Like you pick two characters to swap between but every character also has a set partner.
I’ll use the original 12 as examples:
Mario and Luigi, Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong, Yoshi and Birdo, Fox and Falco, Pikachu and Eevee.
Maybe Ness and Mr. Saturn, Jiggleypuff and Clefairy since they are both pink ball shaped fairy Pokemon and Clefairy was considered for Smash 64 instead of Jiggleypuff.
And as far as new characters you could go for iconic duos in video games. Bub and Bob from Bubble Bobble, Ratchet and Clank maybe if Playstation characters are possible.
And get this, The game could be called “Super Smash Bros. Dual Duel” like the Smash equivalent to Double Dash, But also with the fight synonym names like Melee and Brawl.
I highly doubt this would happen but it would be cool, And also potentially a really good way to differentiate a new game from Ultimate.

Edit: “Pyramid and Mythra” lol

A game like project x zone has great ideas of characters that could be paired up with each other.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Has anyone ever discussed the idea of a duo based Smash game where every character would be able to swap like Pyramid and Mythra (And also Zelda and Shiek in Melee and Brawl and Samus and Zero Suit Samus in Brawl.). Like you pick two characters to swap between but every character also has a set partner.

I don't have one for Smash, but I do have one for Street Fighter.