Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Gengar84]

It’s kind of late now but I had a thought that would have made the new DK game perfectly fine to me: If they just said this new DK is actually Cranky Kong when he was younger. It’s clear that they wanted to call back to his classic arcade design so this would have made perfect sense. That way DKC DK could have stayed how he is and there would still be hope of seeing the more tranquil, atmospheric DKC games in the future. It would have also been a perfectly sensible way to omit DKC characters like Diddy and Dixie without feeling like you’re trying to erase them. Cranky actually being in the game makes this impossible but I feel it would have been the best approach to try something new without the feeling like you’re abandoning what people loved about the old games because there would still be hope for future DKC games.

 

[BritishGuy54]

My attempt at guesstimations for 2025 and beyond:

Spoiler: 2025

• Mario Kart World and Donkey Kong Bananza we know for certain are coming this year in June and July respectively.
• Kirby Air Riders I’d wager will come in December.
• Mario’s 40th Anniversary will be a big celebration, and I can see either a New Super Mario All-Stars OR even a 3D All-Stars Switch 2 Edition drop not long after September. Maybe it’s their way of compromising on no 3D Mario this year?
• Metroid Prime 4 may come later than expected, in August. Pokémon Z-A will clearly take that coveted November slot.

Spoiler: 2026

• Hyrule Warriors: Age of Imprisonment will come at latest in February.
• Pikmin 4 is a game I’m confident in will get a Switch 2 Edition, considering how long it took between 3 and 4.
• Super Mario Maker 3 feels like a good bet with or without a 2D Mario port(s). March or April would be my bet to coincide with Movie 2.
• Splatoon 4 might end up fitting well in 2026 after all. With Tomodachi Life, I think there’s less need for Animal Crossing. Maybe a Splatoon 1 port if the Switch is on its last legs.
• With less development time needed for a simple upgrade pack over a remaster, I think Xenoblade 2 could also be in line for a Switch 2 Edition, especially improving QOL and adding an epilogue relating to the series’ future.
• Next Level Games has been quiet since Mario Strikers in 2022. I’d think King Boo has a good shot at appearing in a Mario Movie 2, and Luigi’s Mansion 4 would just make sense at that point.
• WarioWare is likely.
• 3D Mario could come in 2026 if the team is simply split between DK Bananza and 3D Mario.
• Pokémon Gen 10 will undoubtedly come in November 2026.

Spoiler: 2027

• Fire Emblem would come here if it hasn’t already.
• 3D Mario would come here at the latest.
• Smash also feels likely for 2027 now that Air Riders is coming.
• Beyond 2027, I can see new 3D Zelda and 2D Mario as likely candidates, as well as Animal Crossing, Xenoblade 4, etc.

 

[fogbadge]

It’s kind of late now but I had a thought that would have made the new DK game perfectly fine to me: If they just said this new DK is actually Cranky Kong when he was younger. It’s clear that they wanted to call back to his classic arcade design so this would have made perfect sense. That way DKC DK could have stayed how he is and there would still be hope of seeing the more tranquil, atmospheric DKC games in the future. It would have also been a perfectly sensible way to omit DKC characters like Diddy and Dixie without feeling like you’re trying to erase them. Cranky actually being in the game makes this impossible but I feel it would have been the best approach to try something new without the feeling like you’re abandoning what people loved about the old games because there would still be hope for future DKC games.

there’s absolutely no reason they can’t go back to those type games whenever they want. It’s one game not the end of the

My attempt at guesstimations for 2025 and beyond:

Spoiler: 2025

• Mario Kart World and Donkey Kong Bananza we know for certain are coming this year in June and July respectively.
• Kirby Air Riders I’d wager will come in December.
• Mario’s 40th Anniversary will be a big celebration, and I can see either a New Super Mario All-Stars OR even a 3D All-Stars Switch 2 Edition drop not long after September. Maybe it’s their way of compromising on no 3D Mario this year?
• Metroid Prime 4 may come later than expected, in August. Pokémon Z-A will clearly take that coveted November slot.

Spoiler: 2026

• Hyrule Warriors: Age of Imprisonment will come at latest in February.
• Pikmin 4 is a game I’m confident in will get a Switch 2 Edition, considering how long it took between 3 and 4.
• Super Mario Maker 3 feels like a good bet with or without a 2D Mario port(s). March or April would be my bet to coincide with Movie 2.
• Splatoon 4 might end up fitting well in 2026 after all. With Tomodachi Life, I think there’s less need for Animal Crossing. Maybe a Splatoon 1 port if the Switch is on its last legs.
• With less development time needed for a simple upgrade pack over a remaster, I think Xenoblade 2 could also be in line for a Switch 2 Edition, especially improving QOL and adding an epilogue relating to the series’ future.
• Next Level Games has been quiet since Mario Strikers in 2022. I’d think King Boo has a good shot at appearing in a Mario Movie 2, and Luigi’s Mansion 4 would just make sense at that point.
• WarioWare is likely.
• 3D Mario could come in 2026 if the team is simply split between DK Bananza and 3D Mario.
• Pokémon Gen 10 will undoubtedly come in November 2026.

Spoiler: 2027

• Fire Emblem would come here if it hasn’t already.
• 3D Mario would come here at the latest.
• Smash also feels likely for 2027 now that Air Riders is coming.
• Beyond 2027, I can see new 3D Zelda and 2D Mario as likely candidates, as well as Animal Crossing, Xenoblade 4, etc.

I don’t think we’re going to get a new wario ware the same year we get a new rhythm paradise

 

[Gengar84]

there’s absolutely no reason they can’t go back to those type games whenever they want. It’s one game not the end of the



I don’t think we’re going to get a new wario ware the same year we get a new rhythm paradise

True, I’ll reserve judgement for now. It’s a bit worrying that this is the design they’re going with for Mario Kart as well but that may have just been to promote this game. I feel I’ll have a better picture after seeing what they do with him in Smash.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

there’s absolutely no reason they can’t go back to those type games whenever they want. It’s one game not the end of the

His concern seems entirely on aesthetic and tone. We could get another Donkey Kong Country game, but it will probably look more like Super Mario Bros. Wonder than Donkey Kong Country Returns, which is not what he wants.

 

[SPEN18]

I'm sure others have noticed, but DK Bananza feels very Minecraft-inspired, in fact that's the number one thing it makes me think of when it comes to all the free digging and terrain manipulation stuff. They've just wrapped it in the Odyssey-esque "open zone puzzling/collectathon" framework to keep everything much more grounded and directed than an actual randgen sandbox game. I'm intrigued by the game, though the big question for me is how much playtime I am going to get out of the "wrecking stuff to get collectibles" loop. I'll be interested to see more of the game and how much they can remix that core gameplay.

 

[Gengar84]

His concern seems entirely on aesthetic and tone. We could get another Donkey Kong Country game, but it will probably look more like Super Mario Bros. Wonder than Donkey Kong Country Returns, which is not what he wants.

Yeah, pretty much this. I do think making this DK a younger Cranky would have made perfect sense since Cranky was actually the original Arcade DK this one is based on. They wouldn’t have really had to change much about this game at all other than not actually put Cranky or other DKC characters in this game. It could have stayed exactly the same other than that. Not that it’s the end of the world or anything. I still have the old games I can play whenever I want. I just think this approach could have solved everything.

 

[fogbadge]

His concern seems entirely on aesthetic and tone. We could get another Donkey Kong Country game, but it will probably look more like Super Mario Bros. Wonder than Donkey Kong Country Returns, which is not what he wants.

I know that’s what I’m saying, there’s no reason they can’t go back to that aesthetic

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I know that’s what I’m saying, there’s no reason they can’t go back to that aesthetic

True, but it does appear that this is the direction that they're taking for Donkey Kong's appearance going forward.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I mean, is Donkey Kong a B-lister? Donkey Kong Country, sure, but Donkey Kong the character? That name moves general audiences much more than Metroid or Kirby does. I think this game could have more overarching reach than the average game in his series given its relative isolation and similarities to a traditional big budget 3D Mario title.

Nintendo clearly doesn't see him that way. He's in blockbuster movies, he has a theme park, and he's got that much anticipated signature 3D platformer spot on the new console. How well this game does is TBD, I'm not saying it will make Odyssey money, but I think suggesting Donkey Kong is a weaker link is underestimating how much pull he has as an individual character. At the end of the day it's just about how appealing the package looks to everyone.

I wouldn't consider him one. Besides debuting in the same game as Mario (well, the concept of the character at least since he went on to become Cranky canonically), he's had numerous successful games in his franchise and has gone on to appear in several more Mario games as well. Heck, even the DK franchise as a whole arguably isn't a B-lister, at least not entirely. The first four games (especially 1 and 2 IIRC) were big hits for their time, and many of the characters who debuted in the series have gone on to appear in Mario spin-offs. It's to the point where Diddy Kong is almost as well known as DK himself, and Dixie is almost as well known as Diddy in-turn, and that's not to mention that K. Rool was one of the highest polling characters on the Smash ballot as well.

Returns and Tropical Freeze also did quite well, and while most of the other platformer games in the series aren't as well known, the same can be said about a small handful of Mario games. I doubt both games would've gotten enhanced ports/remakes with new content if they weren't successful games.

DK is absolutely an A-lister, and I'd argue a handful of other characters from his franchise are as well. I could definitely see Bonzana just putting him and a few other characters back in the spotlight. Part of the problem is likely just the fact that Donkey just hasn't gotten an entirely brand new game in a very long time.

 

[Gengar84]

I know that’s what I’m saying, there’s no reason they can’t go back to that aesthetic

While true, I get the feeling they changed it because they didn’t care for the old aesthetic. The first thing that gave me that impression was how excited Miyamoto was that they changed DK’s design in the movie. He wasn’t really any more changed than any other character but he made it a special point to show that DK was different. The confusing thing to me is that they’re using DK’s RARE design for the theme park.

 

[SPEN18]

It’s kind of late now but I had a thought that would have made the new DK game perfectly fine to me: If they just said this new DK is actually Cranky Kong when he was younger. It’s clear that they wanted to call back to his classic arcade design so this would have made perfect sense. That way DKC DK could have stayed how he is and there would still be hope of seeing the more tranquil, atmospheric DKC games in the future. It would have also been a perfectly sensible way to omit DKC characters like Diddy and Dixie without feeling like you’re trying to erase them. Cranky actually being in the game makes this impossible but I feel it would have been the best approach to try something new without the feeling like you’re abandoning what people loved about the old games because there would still be hope for future DKC games.

What if the Cranky in this game were actually the granddaddy of DKC Cranky?

(this is not a serious comment, I just think it'd be a funny headcanon to fit with your idea)

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I'm sure others have noticed, but DK Bananza feels very Minecraft-inspired, in fact that's the number one thing it makes me think of when it comes to all the free digging and terrain manipulation stuff. They've just wrapped it in the Odyssey-esque "open zone puzzling/collectathon" framework to keep everything much more grounded and directed than an actual randgen sandbox game. I'm intrigued by the game, though the big question for me is how much playtime I am going to get out of the "wrecking stuff to get collectibles" loop. I'll be interested to see more of the game and how much they can remix that core gameplay.

This clearly means the key to Bonanza's success is having Donkey Kong shout "CHICKEN JOCKEY!" in the game.

 

[fogbadge]

True, but it does appear that this is the direction that they're taking for Donkey Kong's appearance going forward.

sure but it’s starting to sound the way people talked when Wind Waker was first revealed

While true, I get the feeling they changed it because they didn’t care for the old aesthetic. The first thing that gave me that impression was how excited Miyamoto was that they changed DK’s design in the movie. He wasn’t really any more changed than any other character but he made it a special point to show that DK was different. The confusing thing to me is that they’re using DK’s RARE design for the theme park.

People said similar things when Jungle Beat came out

 

[Ivander]

So, The Duskbloods for Smash Bros?

Obviously not before Dark Souls or Elden Ring, especially as FromSoft is the owner. Though the interviews imply Nintendo might have given funding for the game(hence the exclusivity) similar to Bayonetta 2 and forward. Maybe depending on how the game does, that bit may help this game get an appearance? And it'd be the closest thing to Bloodborne in Smash Bros.
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That aside, this game easily brought some of the best reactions for a Nintendo Direct. Just the way most reactions start quietly watching the first cutscene, then the moment From Software popped up followed by the clocktower and city, they all were trying to hold back so much from immediately calling it Bloodborne 2 and just keep watching all the footage in almost all silence, just waiting for the title drop.
And despite the focus on PvPvE, I'm still pretty interested as I enjoy FromSoft's Souls-like games, especially as lore has been confirmed for the game and I love the lore aspect of FromSoft games.

 

[Gengar84]

sure but it’s starting to sound the way people talked when Wind Waker was first revealed



People said similar things when Jungle Beat came out

Jungle Beat kept the same DKC design though. Looking at the box, it looks like there was an attempt to keep his cool factor rather than make him overly zany. The gameplay was super gimmicky but from what little I’ve seen, they didn’t change DK’s character too much.

On another note, I do wish I could get excited for FromSoft games. I can tell they’re great games and really well made. They also have a really cool aesthetic. I’m just kind of put off by the insane difficulty. I play games to relax and have fun, not to test myself and get stressed out. It’s cool that tons of people like them and I’m very open to a Smash character but I don’t think I could ever actually play those games.

 

[Arcanir]

To add to the DK discussion, the original DKC was the third best selling games on the SNES only behind Super Mario World and Super Mario All-Star, 2 was 6th, and 3 was 11th. Even going by raw numbers, DKC was over 9 million which was great for the system it was on. DK64 was also 7th on the N64 with over 5 million, not far behind SSB and Pokemon Stadium in sales number.

DK is definitely an A-lister himself and his games are capable of pulling high numbers. He may not be Mario, but he's a character that can sell.

 

[fogbadge]

Jungle Beat kept the same DKC design though. Looking at the box, it looks like there was an attempt to keep his cool factor rather than make him overly zany. The gameplay was super gimmicky but from what little I’ve seen, they didn’t change DK’s character too much.

On another note, I do wish I could get excited for FromSoft games. I can tell they’re great games and really well made. They also have a really cool aesthetic. I’m just kind of put off by the insane difficulty. I play games to relax and have fun, not to test myself and get stressed out. It’s cool that tons of people like them and I’m very open to a Smash character but I don’t think I could ever actually play those games.

what cool factor?

 

[Noipoi]

DK is an A-List character and it should be an A-List franchise, but several droughts between games have caused it to have a fluctuating relevancy.

Hopefully Bananza will kick off a more consistent era for the franchise.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

sure but it’s starting to sound the way people talked when Wind Waker was first revealed

To be fair, the hard pivot from that style was a direct result of the discourse on that game's art style. Though I suppose even then the art style persisted in the smaller titles.


I'd also like to say that personally, I really like the new style, and wouldn't mind more of it.

 

[Gengar84]

what cool factor?

To me, DKC DK was always a mix of cool/tough with goofy. He definitely had silly moments but he could also be cool when he needed to be. This new design just went all in on silly. Not saying either is objectively better, I just prefer the old style. It’s almost exactly the same situation as the Battletoads reboot. The original Toads were both silly and badass but the reboot is pure silliness and loses the cool factor. You could argue the same with the TMNT comics vs the cartoons.

Again, I’m not saying this new direction is objectively bad. It’s just different. The new style doesn’t personally appeal at all to me but it’s not wrong if it does to you. It’s all a matter of personal preference. On Wind Waker, I didn’t and still don’t care for the character designs in that game. The cel shaded graphical style looks nice though. Had Toon Link been the permanent direction for the character going forward, I wouldn’t care for Zelda right now either. Just my personal opinion and it’s just a game so it doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things.

 

[fogbadge]

To me, DKC DK was always a mix of cool/tough with goofy. He definitely had silly moments but he could also be cool when he needed to be. This new design just went all in on silly. Not saying either is objectively better, I just prefer the old style. It’s almost exactly the same situation as the Battletoads reboot. The original Toads were both silly and badass but the reboot is pure silliness and loses the cool factor. You could argue the same with the TMNT comics vs the cartoons.

I think that’s just they way you read it, DK has always been mostly silly

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Thinking about it, aside from Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat's big boss fights, a lot of the series' cool moments are just as silly as they are cool. Like, even when DK does something absolutely raw like punch the moon out of its orbit, it just comedically bounces back into place like nothing happened.

Donkey Kong Bonanza goes all in on the silly, doing things like focusing on DK's face as he gets flung around by the storm, but a more traditional Donkey Kong Country would probably still find a pretty atmospheric mood despite using the new design. Kinda similar to how the Mario series can look super cool at times.

 

[Gengar84]

DK Jungle Beat render:

DK Bonanza render:

Jungle Beat is definitely going for a more serious and cool aesthetic here. Again, neither is objectively better, it’s all personal preference but I feel like it’s clear that one is more goofy than the other.

 

[Noipoi]

I think that’s just they way you read it, DK has always been mostly silly

Ehhh I can see what he’s saying. DK’s always had moments being a silly “dumb monkey”, but his default state was more reserved and laidback, while capable of being serious. They kept his demeanor close to that of a real gorilla, a quiet confidence in his power.

Of course there were also many times where he was a big dumb ape, crashing out over Mario toys and pulling out bongos in the middle of a death match, but that was usually in side material or Mario games. The mainline Country series would always take him back to his more relaxed self.

Now with Bananza it looks like they’re dialing up his goofiness with all his crazy expressions, and his cool factor is less “this wild animal will **** you up if you test him” and more “CRAZY CARTOON MONKEY WRECKING EVERYTHING HOLY ****!”. Everything about the character is more zany and exaggerated, when his current interpretation used to be a reflection of Rare’s take on the games. Often comedic, but capable of taking a step back and being a bit more grounded.

And for the record I LOVE the new DK and the new tone of the series, but I can see the change and understand that not everyone will be down with it.

 

[DragonRobotKing26]

DK Jungle Beat render:
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DK Bonanza render:
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Jungle Beat is definitely going for a more serious and cool aesthetic here. Again, neither is objectively better, it’s all personal preference but I feel like it’s clear that one is more goofy than the other.

i see comparing the DK's fur on Jungle Beat on Bananza, DK from Bananza looks like a plastic toy, and i know Switch graphics are not so PS4/Xbox level, but i could be better

 

[Ivander]

DK Jungle Beat render:
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DK Bonanza render:
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Jungle Beat is definitely going for a more serious and cool aesthetic here. Again, neither is objectively better, it’s all personal preference but I feel like it’s clear that one is more goofy than the other.

Instead of choosing images where DK shows very different emotions, why aren't you comparing each image with one of the same facial expression or pose?
Like for the top:

And for the bottom:

Heck, when looking at both versions, the only difference I notice is that Bananza DK can move his eyebrows(or the skin above his eyes, whichever) while regular DK is mostly stuck to angry eyebrows. Heck, even during the times when regular DK is showing more emotion, his eyebrows hardly move.

 

[Gengar84]

Instead of choosing images where DK shows very different emotions, why aren't you comparing each image with one of the same facial expression or pose?
Like for the top:

And for the bottom:

Heck, when looking at both versions, the only difference I notice is that Bananza DK can move his eyebrows(or the skin above his eyes, whichever) while regular DK is mostly stuck to angry eyebrows. Heck, even during the times when regular DK is showing more emotion, his eyebrows hardly move.

I chose Jungle Beat because it was specifically brought up and just picked the first render I could actually copy from Bonanza. For some reason, I have big issue trying to copy and paste images from Google here. About 80% of the ones I try just paste the text over. Anyways, those two images above are better than what I’ve seen previously. I think the main expression that bothers me is the one with his tongue hanging out and bananas in his eyes. Again, just personal preference.

I feel like your examples are just as different from each other as mine, but in reverse. In yours, the Bonanza DK is angry and DKC DK is goofy and happy. In mine, it’s the opposite. Who knows, maybe this new direction will grow on me over time. I don’t hate the Bonanza screenshots you posted, it’s just a few of his expressions that irritate me. That and I’m less a fan of the hyper in your face direction of this game than I was on the calmer more atmospheric DKC games. They’re both definitely goofy at times but I liked the older DK’s laid back vibe.

 

[Will]

i see comparing the DK's fur on Jungle Beat on Bananza, DK from Bananza looks like a plastic toy, and i know Switch graphics are not so PS4/Xbox level, but i could be better

Remember what they took from us…

 

[fogbadge]

DK Jungle Beat render:
View attachment 401221

you mean the game with the robot elephants and explosive pineapples?

 

[Thegameandwatch]

is Donkey Kong a B-lister? Donkey Kong Country, sure

DK is definitely a A-Lister but the series having lot of droughts in releases and not having a consistent developer is probably why it’s kinda in the middle in terms of selling games nowadays.

 

[Will]

I’m just now realizing that the new DK design has the same base brow shape as Sonic the Hedgehog. The only difference is how the eyes are put in the socket: Sonic’s uni-eye vs DK’s eyeballs squished in the center.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

My attempt at guesstimations for 2025 and beyond:

Spoiler: 2025

• Mario Kart World and Donkey Kong Bananza we know for certain are coming this year in June and July respectively.
• Kirby Air Riders I’d wager will come in December.
• Mario’s 40th Anniversary will be a big celebration, and I can see either a New Super Mario All-Stars OR even a 3D All-Stars Switch 2 Edition drop not long after September. Maybe it’s their way of compromising on no 3D Mario this year?
• Metroid Prime 4 may come later than expected, in August. Pokémon Z-A will clearly take that coveted November slot.

Spoiler: 2026

• Hyrule Warriors: Age of Imprisonment will come at latest in February.
• Pikmin 4 is a game I’m confident in will get a Switch 2 Edition, considering how long it took between 3 and 4.
• Super Mario Maker 3 feels like a good bet with or without a 2D Mario port(s). March or April would be my bet to coincide with Movie 2.
• Splatoon 4 might end up fitting well in 2026 after all. With Tomodachi Life, I think there’s less need for Animal Crossing. Maybe a Splatoon 1 port if the Switch is on its last legs.
• With less development time needed for a simple upgrade pack over a remaster, I think Xenoblade 2 could also be in line for a Switch 2 Edition, especially improving QOL and adding an epilogue relating to the series’ future.
• Next Level Games has been quiet since Mario Strikers in 2022. I’d think King Boo has a good shot at appearing in a Mario Movie 2, and Luigi’s Mansion 4 would just make sense at that point.
• WarioWare is likely.
• 3D Mario could come in 2026 if the team is simply split between DK Bananza and 3D Mario.
• Pokémon Gen 10 will undoubtedly come in November 2026.

Spoiler: 2027

• Fire Emblem would come here if it hasn’t already.
• 3D Mario would come here at the latest.
• Smash also feels likely for 2027 now that Air Riders is coming.
• Beyond 2027, I can see new 3D Zelda and 2D Mario as likely candidates, as well as Animal Crossing, Xenoblade 4, etc.

Cool prediction, but here's some notes.

-Hyrule warrios is already confirmed for 2025 and I don't really see why it would be delayed. I'm assuming it will released in october or november.
-I don't really see a new WarioWare in 2026 before a new Fire emblem
-3d Mario in 2026 feels pretty optimistic if the team is on DK but I guess it's not impossible if the team is big enough to be split
-On the other hand, I think having Xenoblade 4 or wathever Monolith is working on as beyond 2027 is a bit pessimistic considering they have a very fast release rate usually and I doubt X definitive edition took that much ressources

 

[Gengar84]

you mean the game with the robot elephants and explosive pineapples?

I’m talking about DK himself, not the rest of the game. I’ve never actually played any DK game between DK64 and DKC Returns because the games didn’t really appeal to me but I never felt the character was changed too much so it didn’t bother me as much. Sure, I missed K. Rool and the Kremlings but I felt DK himself was pretty consistent.

I guess there’s just a certain vibe that doesn’t really gel with me personally, not that there’s anything inherently wrong with it. Two other Nintendo characters I used to like a lot but no longer care much for after their changes are Diddy King and Yoshi. I can’t quite put my finger on what it was but something about DK64’s Diddy irritated me and I haven’t cared much about the character since despite liking him a lot in DKC. The turning point for Yoshi’s for me was Yoshi’s Story. I absolutely loved Yoshi before that but I never really cared for his new direction. I’m also not huge on modern Funky Kong even though I really liked him in the first two DKC games.

 

[fogbadge]

I’m talking about DK himself, not the rest of the game. I’ve never actually played any DK game between DK64 and DKC Returns because the games didn’t really appeal to me but I never felt the character was changed too much so it didn’t bother me as much. Sure, I missed K. Rool and the Kremlings but I felt DK himself was pretty consistent.

Nah he’s the same as ever. That big daft monkey who hosted weird mini games and fought oil drums

 

[Gengar84]

Nah he’s the same as ever. That big daft monkey who hosted weird mini games and fought oil drums

Okay, clearly I’m doing a bad job explaining why I prefer one version of the character to the other. I don’t really want to drag this argument on so I’m cool with dropping it and moving on. If you like the new direction, I’m happy for you and maybe it will grow on me in time.

 

[fogbadge]

Okay, clearly I’m doing a bad job explaining why I prefer one version of the character to the other. I don’t really want to drag this argument on so I’m cool with dropping it and moving on. If you like the new direction, I’m happy for you and maybe it will grow on me in time.

no you’ve made your point perfectly clear, what you’re missing is the fact he’s always been a massive goof ball

 

[Gengar84]

no you’ve made your point perfectly clear, what you’re missing is the fact he’s always been a massive goof ball

Maybe it’s that he used to be a different kind of goofball that resonated with me more. He used to give me laid back surfer dude vibes when he was being dumb and goofy but now he’s giving me hyper exaggerated Looney Tunes/Son of the Mask vibes. I think I was always cool with the dumb monkey thing but it’s the over the top stuff that doesn’t appeal to me. Does that make sense?

 

[fogbadge]

Maybe it’s that he used to be a different kind of goofball that resonated with me more. He used to give me laid back surfer dude vibes when he was being dumb and goofy but now he’s giving me hyper exaggerated Looney Tunes/Son of the Mask vibes. I think I was always cool with the dumb monkey thing but it’s the over the top stuff that doesn’t appeal to me. Does that make sense?

can’t say I’ve ever gotten surfer vibes off him

 

[Gengar84]

can’t say I’ve ever gotten surfer vibes off him

What I meant is that he was always pretty chill even when he was being dumb. I think what puts me off on the new version is that he’s so hyper. Maybe surfer dude wasn’t the best analogy but it’s the first thing that came to my mind when thinking “dumb and chill”. Kind of like Michelangelo from the 80’s TMNT cartoon.