Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[SharkLord]

In all honestly personality in Smash is a privilege and not a right

 

[Commander_Alph]

No, that's quite a leap from what I said. Kind of like what Goodgrief did a few pages back. But it is not to be overlooked that Dragaux is not only given a name, but characterization. The protagonist is not given either.
If 'thinking the main character should be given as much character as the antagonist' is illogical, that's your call to make. But it certainly isn't asking for every crevise in a fitness RPG to be explored. It's asking for any depth to the main character, and stating that since he has none, yeah, it is quite possible he could be overlooked for something more interesting or more developed.

I mean you say that as if he's the guaranteed character if Ring Fit ever be given a new fighter, I mean with all of this "Draguax is given a name and a characterization" it's not gonna change a slight thing about him getting in over the player character. I like Ring Fit too but this is just another 'no personality' argument for a character not being chosen.

And plus it's obvious to have main lead first, villain later considering they are our avatar that has been sticking with us from the very first portion of the game and used to seeing them a lot.

 

[GoodGrief741]

making assumptions left and right. I own the game.

If you own the game, then why did you ask for proof of what Dragaux can do, or that the main character is not similar at all to Wii Fit Trainer? The proof is in your hands! What else do you want me to do, play it for you?

How about I stop telling you what I think, and you start backing up your claims, wherein you claim to speak for the entire fanbase of RFA?

I don't claim to speak for anyone. I actually told you to go to the support thread for the game to talk with other members of the fanbase and see what they thought. You didn't.

If you don't have the initiative to seek out information, I can't help you. I have much better things to do with my time than to try to convince you of obvious things. I said my piece so that other people don't read your posts and are left with an impression of the game's characters that's incorrect, not because I wanted or expected to convince you of anything.

 

[Spongeboob]

What is the Nintendo series you most want to get another character in the fighters pass?

You might want to word that a little better, because ARMS is the only answer to this.

In all honestly personality in Smash is a privilege and not a right

It's fanservice.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I mean, outside of Toon Link, pretty much every Link in existence is a literal no-name blank slate with no real characteristic other than "HUWAAAAAAGH HUH HUH HIYAAAAAAAAAH!" but I got no horse in this race.

Toon Link best Link.

 

[cashregister9]

I mean, outside of Toon Link, pretty much every Link in existence is a literal no-name blank slate with no real characteristic other than "HUWAAAAAAGH HUH HUH HIYAAAAAAAAAH!" but I got no horse in this race.

Hey! Linkle technically counts in some sort of weird cosmic way, so that's 2 links with a semblance of a personality.

 

[Shroob]

Toon Link best Link.

Unless it's this Toon Link:

or this one:

These two images have like, super cursed energy attached to them, they have an exceptionally high "Ass hole poster" margin to them.

 

[osby]

I don't see Ring Fit Trainee's personality being an issue when they are a package deal with Ring and they have plenty of character.

Plus, it's not like we didn't get Joker, Hero, or Byleth when there are better developed characters in their games.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I'm gonna be honest, I find the euphemism of "The G Word" like it's some unspeakable obscenity to be really %$#@ing annoying. Just discuss the character like you would anyone else. If you're just that sick of him, don't mention him in the first place-And no, just noting that you should've mentioned "The G Word"
won't cut it.

It's especially bad as there's an actual slur that starts with G, it's like when people on twitter used 'The K Word' to refer to 'kill' when there's an actual mega bad word starting witg K

Don't get me wrong, dragons are awesome. Especially a bodybuilding dragon in spandex.

Grief are you a furry? We won't judge

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I mean, outside of Toon Link, pretty much every Link in existence is a literal no-name blank slate with no real characteristic other than "HUWAAAAAAGH HUH HUH HIYAAAAAAAAAH!" but I got no horse in this race.

I don't either, but I would also like to refute the idea that blank slate characters are lesser characters. They just serve a different purpose. Some, like Ness or Steve, are your anchor to the world; The eyes you see it through. Others, like a lot of MMO avatars, are pure wish fulfillment, and they exist to allow you to live out your fantasies of being powerful adventurers that save the world every Tuesday. Others still are just as explored as characters as any other. For example, Lucas never speaks, but the events that happen through the story and the way that characters talk to/about him show you the struggles of the character, and who they became as they overcame them.

Of course, all of these can be done poorly, but the ones that are done well should get credit where credit is due. And please note, I'm not expecting people to like blank slate characters either, just acknowledge their merits. I mean, who's to say a multifaceted character who is the center of an 11/10 plot with riveting twists and turns is any better than a childlike, vaguely human character who allows you to roam a planetoid that you get to shape to your liking, chill with the humanoid animals that live on it, and relax. They're apples and oranges really.

 

[7NATOR]

So what Audiences do you think Nintendo has appealed to Already, that they may be less inclined to appeal to in FP2 going forward?

 

[ZelDan]

Unless it's this Toon Link:

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or this one:

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These two images have like, super cursed energy attached to them, they have an exceptionally high "Ass hole poster" margin to them.

Uhhhh they do?

I actually use the bottom one on some forums, so...

 

[Shroob]

Uhhhh they do?

I actually use the bottom one on some forums, so...

It's a YouTube/Twitter thing. You almost always see these two icons, usually with extremely snarky/hot-take comments. It's gotten soo common it's kinda become their stereotype.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I mean, a good chunk of Nintendo's early characters started out with very little personality besides what they could do with limited technology at the time and supplementary material.

A good chunk of them remained heroic mimes to have them act as avatars or because it wasn't necessary for them to be fully-fleshed out characters. Mario only shows so much personality, and very little dialogue, but most people don't play nor enjoy Mario games because of how well of a developed character he is.

What even started this topic again?

 

[SharkLord]

I mean, a good chunk of Nintendo's early characters started out with very little personality besides what they could do with limited technology at the time and supplementary material.

A good chunk of them remained heroic mimes to have them act as avatars or because it wasn't necessary for them to be fully-fleshed out characters. Mario only shows so much personality, and very little dialogue, but most people don't play nor enjoy Mario games because of how well of a developed character he is.

What even started this topic again?

Ring Fit Adventure discussion, I believe. Think it was on whether or not the playable rep should be the trainee or Dragaux.

 

[Goombaic]

For a series well-known for having guest characters, Soul Calibur hasn't really crossed over with other series that much for some reason. The only notable guest appearance I'm aware of is Sophitia being in a Warriors game, which is frankly kind of a low bar, honestly. Of course, the lack of previous crossovers doesn't really affect a character's chances, but it's still something I find abnormal for a series as big as Soul Calibur.

 

[Spongeboob]

It's especially bad as there's an actual slur that starts with G, it's like when people on twitter used 'The K Word' to refer to 'kill' when there's an actual mega bad word starting with K

If I'm gonna be honest, I find the euphemism of "The G Word" like it's some unspeakable obscenity to be really %$#@ing annoying. Just discuss the character like you would anyone else. If you're just that sick of him, don't mention him in the first place-And no, just noting that you should've mentioned "The G Word"
won't cut it. Either discuss him normally or don't discuss him at all.

While I agree, the stigma around Geno supporters doesn't exactly help (especially when quite a few of them do nothing but reinforce that stigma).

I could go on for a while but I don't feel like going on a negative rant at the moment, so let's change the topic. Would anyone care if I gave context for this post from earlier today?

Sure. Why not?

And, perhaps more importantly, would you promise not to burn me at the stake if I do? No wrong answer, if you do at least you'll have something else to focus your anger on.

Before I do that, I must ask: how do you prefer yourself: medium rare or well done?

So what Audiences do you think Nintendo has appealed to Already, that they may be less inclined to appeal to in FP2 going forward?

All of them.

For a series well-known for having guest characters, Soul Calibur hasn't really crossed over with other series that much for some reason. The only notable guest appearance I'm aware of is Sophitia being in a Warriors game. Of course, the lack of previous crossovers doesn't really affect a character's chances, but it's still something I find abnormal for a series as big as Soul Calibur.

Methinks that's because Tekken exists, is owned by the same company, and is by far more popular than Soul Calibur (once the world's second-best selling fighting game franchise behind Smash).

 

[zriL]

So what Audiences do you think Nintendo has appealed to Already, that they may be less inclined to appeal to in FP2 going forward?

Nintendo audience with Min Min, she could be the only first party character in this pass. I think another is still likely though.

Western audience with Minecraft. Considering FP1 had only 1 western oriented pick, I believe there will be at most 2 in this pass, so he might even be the only one.

That would mean we could expect at least 3 third party characters who have Japanese appeal for the rest of the pass. Maybe a trio very similar to Joker/Terry/Hero.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

If there's too many big dragons in Smash, then we could always use a small dragon on the roster instead.

Another quadruped would be cool and he’d be an interesting inclusion that would add diversity to the roster.

 

[Dinoman96]

I find it odd to consider Steve the "western appeal" pick considering how massively popular Minecraft is across the globe, it's literally the highest selling foreign game in Japan. Steve definitely wasn't just for the western fanbase.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I mean, outside of Toon Link, pretty much every Link in existence is a literal no-name blank slate with no real characteristic other than "HUWAAAAAAGH HUH HUH HIYAAAAAAAAAH!" but I got no horse in this race.

Objectively wrong because BotW Link exists. They actually make his character deeper than he looks using various journals and memories, not to mention how the Adventure Log is written in first person from his perspective in the Japanese version which... why the **** didn't we get that? It's amazing!

But since most of that stuff isn't expressed through the man himself and/or lost in translation, I'm willing to forgive you

 

[Phoenix Douchebag]

I find it odd to consider Steve the "western appeal" pick considering how massively popular Minecraft is across the globe, it's literally the highest selling foreign game in Japan. Steve definitely wasn't just for the western fanbase.

I don't think Steve was meant to be a western appeal rep. Steve is iconic as Mario is to many modern gamers and consumers. He appeals to everyone, rather than a specific niche, that's why his inclusion was so earth shattering

And honestly using the nationality of a character/franchise to define what region they appeal is not a good indication. Some works are more popular in foreign regions than in their home country. Like Punch Out and Metroid.

 

[SpectreJordan]

Eh, I think he chooses what's unique and associated with the game. We have many instances where a mascot or prominent character gets chosen first, and Dragaux, to anyone who played the game, is the most memorable character from it, while also being completely original. I truly cannot imagine getting RFT, but I can imagine Dragaux. Ring Fit Adventure is really not like any other game, so I don't think it makes much sense to compare. The closest would be Wii Fit, of course, and even that only had the one character.

If we got a Soul Calibur character, I cannot imagine it would be anyone other than Nightmare. If the antagonist is the star of the show, I don't see why a fanmade rule would get in the way. It hasn't before.


Perspective hits, suddenly. I'll check in on this thread for more updates. Sometimes the nonsense we perpetuate here becomes even less important. I love gaming because it taught me to interact with people. That's much more important than anything that comes to mind which I've discussed on here.

That’s a fair point. I guess it just depends on how the series evolves marketing wise.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I find it odd to consider Steve the "western appeal" pick considering how massively popular Minecraft is across the globe, it's literally the highest selling foreign game in Japan. Steve definitely wasn't just for the western fanbase.

People see him as a Western appeal because Minecraft is made from a non-Japanese studio. That's about it.

This shows how narrow-sighted people can be because Minecraft is such a massive phenomenom that it's far bigger than even most franchises currently in Smash. It's not a "Western appeal", but rather a recognition that modern third-parties are just as important as the older ones as long as they leave an impact.

And Minecraft absolutely left an impact. On top of being the single best-selling game of all time, it single-handedly made gaming one of the biggest aspects of YouTube and other video browsing websites back in the early 2010s, which created a massive ripple effect of people discovering video games through Minecraft that they otherwise may never have and may even led to gaming companies using social media to promote their titles, but that's more speculative on my part.

But one thing that isn't speculative is this; if a school you've been in during the past decade had a computer room people could go on during breaks and you never saw or heard of Minecraft, that's actually not normal. Minecraft is that freaking huge and always has been.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I haven't seen this posted here but it is some more Falcom fuel

Falcom to release multiple console games for 40th anniversary in 2021, including next Trails game

Falcom will release several titles in celebration of its 40th anniversary in 2021, including the next entry in the Trails series, the company said in its latest financial report (2).

www.gematsu.com

TLDR: Next year is Falcoms 40th anniversary and because of that they are planning to release several games, and confirmed that a brand new Trails game is releasing. They plan on releasing a bunch of games on the Switch and will continue to make new Ys and Trails games. They also confirmed that Trails is one of Falcom's flagship series because of sales.

Anniversaries for the most part are pretty much coincidences. The only time this probably happened was with Little Mac in Sm4sh.

People also suspected Rex would be our next character last month given Monolich's anniversary but instead got Steve.

I really wouldn't look deep into this.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Anniversaries for the most part are pretty much coincidences. The only time this probably happened was with Little Mac in Sm4sh.

People also suspected Rex would be our next character last month given Monolich's anniversary but instead got Steve.

I really wouldn't look deep into this.

Two things here.

1: The argument isn't that Falcom's anniversary makes their characters more likely but rather that they plan on increasing their output, meaning they'd want to aggressively promote stuff with Smash being perfect for it, though I do agree with you.

2: It's Monolith, not Monolich. Seen you make this mistake before but nobody seems to correct you

 

[Commander_Alph]

That’s a fair point. I guess it just depends on how the series evolves marketing wise.

I mean in the case of Nightmare, considering it is from a fighting game, them and Seigfried is basically the Ryu and Ken of the series considering how prominent they're in the story of Soul Calibur and the marketing for the game. So any character from a fighting game could actually be in as a character without filling out all of the criteria cause everyone in a fighting game abide to the same rule of gameplay with some minor exception like playstyle and character specific UI (just like Blazblue).

In the case of other game that is not (mostly) an RPG, the main mechanic that they give usually in the form of the main character that uses it, example like Kirby with his copy ability and Link that could use several different items and weapons is something familiar to the player and the things that they often use throughout the game which is very important the grand scheme of things but, usually this main character is just a cardboard cut-out with simplistic feature that could shape its identity by the player and a plus point if they are also the game main mascot as it also boosted their recognizability of the character. But, if the main character isn't really being intended as a mascot and instead a character that fills the purpose to be the mascot then all of the recognizability to the non player are centered around them usually as a marketing tactic to lure in people and yet that only ends there as it serve nothing than being the representation of the game in the outside but not in the inside which is what Dragaux fall into (although I always prefer Ring a the real mascot.
Other notable example is the titular Monokuma from Danganronpa which the most common requested character in the series beating out the main character that is Naegi and Hajime, popularity wise, yes Monokuma is literally the face of the series and appeared in almost every advertisment of the game and IS the mascot the killing game in the game but, he lacks the one important mechanic of the game which is the Truth Bullet that is used in Class Trials, the most iconic moment in the series and the climax of every chapter which only accessible by Naegi and Hajime which boost up their chances due to the familiarity and the importance of said mechanic in the story that gives them the edge over Monokuma. And no you can't just have Monokuma use it in his moveset as lore-wise only character that is the symbol of Hope and has not yet feel down into despair can wield it and gameplay-wise it quickly lost the uniqueness of the mechanic as if Monokuma can use it then what's the point of it being special to the player/main character?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Two things here.

1: The argument isn't that Falcom's anniversary makes their characters more likely but rather that they plan on increasing their output, meaning they'd want to aggressively promote stuff with Smash being perfect for it, though I do agree with you.

2: It's Monolith, not Monolich. Seen you make this mistake before but nobody seems to correct you

Ah, my misinterpretation then. Thanks for correcting.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I mean in the case of Nightmare, considering it is from a fighting game, them and Seigfried is basically the Ryu and Ken of the series considering how prominent they're in the story of Soul Calibur and the marketing for the game. So any character from a fighting game could actually be in as a character without filling out all of the criteria cause everyone in a fighting game abide to the same rule of gameplay with some minor exception like playstyle and character specific UI (just like Blazblue).

In the case of other game that is not (mostly) an RPG, the main mechanic that they give usually in the form of the main character that uses it, example like Kirby with his copy ability and Link that could use several different items and weapons is something familiar to the player and the things that they often use throughout the game which is very important the grand scheme of things but, usually this main character is just a cardboard cut-out with simplistic feature that could shape its identity by the player and a plus point if they are also the game main mascot as it also boosted their recognizability of the character. But, if the main character isn't really being intended as a mascot and instead a character that fills the purpose to be the mascot then all of the recognizability to the non player are centered around them usually as a marketing tactic to lure in people and yet that only ends there as it serve nothing than being the representation of the game in the outside but not in the inside which is what Dragaux fall into (although I always prefer Ring a the real mascot.
Other notable example is the titular Monokuma from Danganronpa which the most common requested character in the series beating out the main character that is Naegi and Hajime, popularity wise, yes Monokuma is literally the face of the series and appeared in almost every advertisment of the game and IS the mascot the killing game in the game but, he lacks the one important mechanic of the game which is the Truth Bullet that is used in Class Trials, the most iconic moment in the series and the climax of every chapter which only accessible by Naegi and Hajime which boost up their chances due to the familiarity and the importance of said mechanic in the story that gives them the edge over Monokuma. And no you can't just have Monokuma use it in his moveset as lore-wise only character that is the symbol of Hope and has not yet feel down into despair can wield it and gameplay-wise it quickly lost the uniqueness of the mechanic as if Monokuma can use it then what's the point of it being special to the player/main character?

Ngl I kinda like how V3 didn't get acknowledged here at all even if it's my favourite of the trilogy

 

[Commander_Alph]

Ngl I kinda like how V3 didn't get acknowledged here at all even if it's my favourite of the trilogy

I mean if you want to just go ahead and added them in, I'm fine with it, but this just an example as usually Naegi and Hajime is the frontface fo Danganronpa protag due to Shuichi or even Kaede coming from the 'newest installment' in the series so it's not quickly recognize as suppose to those 2 that I mentioned as the demand of DR character has been going even before V3 came out but, color me surprise if he's included as a character as well but for me it goes as far as being an alt costume with the farthest being the main selectable character.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I'm probably interrupting something, but I'm kind of thinking Monokuma would make for a cool assist trophy, particularly if it is based on the "Monokuma Theater" segments of the Danganronpa games. I imagine him functioning similarly to Mr. Resetti in Brawl, except that Monokuma would be mocking one of the fighters in-battle in particular (rather than just running his mouth), even if it's the dude who summoned him. (For example, if Donkey Kong's on stage, Monokuma might throw shade at Donkey Kong.) I think he'd be useless, but funny.

Smash fans fans feelings are too soft for that. They will probably take offense to it which makes the assist trophy all the more better

 

[pupNapoleon]

I mean you say that as if he's the guaranteed character if Ring Fit ever be given a new fighter, I mean with all of this "Draguax is given a name and a characterization" it's not gonna change a slight thing about him getting in over the player character. I like Ring Fit too but this is just another 'no personality' argument for a character not being chosen.

And plus it's obvious to have main lead first, villain later considering they are our avatar that has been sticking with us from the very first portion of the game and used to seeing them a lot.

I don't know what else to do other than use the phrase "consider the possibility." I'm quite tired of this thing where other users decide to completely put words in my mouth. Reading comprehension, y'all. These fanmade rules have put the community in shock time and time again, and it sounds like this is just another ridiculous fanmade rule.

Alright, don't consider it and keep fighting with yourselves. I threw out a suggestion and instead of talking about it, it gets smashed down by illiteracy.

If you own the game, then why did you ask for proof of what Dragaux can do, or that the main character is not similar at all to Wii Fit Trainer? The proof is in your hands! What else do you want me to do, play it for you?

I don't claim to speak for anyone. I actually told you to go to the support thread for the game to talk with other members of the fanbase and see what they thought. You didn't.

If you don't have the initiative to seek out information, I can't help you. I have much better things to do with my time than to try to convince you of obvious things. I said my piece so that other people don't read your posts and are left with an impression of the game's characters that's incorrect, not because I wanted or expected to convince you of anything.

You literally did try to speak for the entire community. I quoted you on it several pages back. I highlighted where you did it. I very clearly asked you to back up why you felt entitled enough to speak for the community, and then bash me for suggesting an idea.

Okay everyone- no guns, no upgrades, hell- no third parties. Obviously Ridley isn't gonna be in this game. OMG!!!

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

We still doing this "blank slate" nonsense?

This was a huge detractor people used for Steve, and the dude ended up becoming up a super fleshed out and surprisingly expressive character when he was ultimatley brought over.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Honestly its easy to imagine Ring Fit Trainer getting in Smash 6 with Draguax in a prominent position via her stage or as an assist trophy.

 

[Perkilator]

Honestly its easy to imagine Ring Fit Trainer getting in Smash 6 with Draguax in a prominent position via her stage or as an assist trophy.

Or a boss, maybe. Here’s a potential battle that I commissioned for TKOWL :

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

We still doing this "blank slate" nonsense?

This was a huge detractor people used for Steve, and the dude ended up becoming up a super fleshed out and surprisingly expressive character when he was ultimatley brought over.

Layton is as blank as you can get. His face is literally two dots, a line and a mouth

 

[3BitSaurus]

Tbh I feel like there's very little reason to get any RFA rep outside the Trainee.

They are the main playable character, represent the game's mechanics, and are arguably one of the game's most recognizable elements.

 

[7NATOR]

Well if Smash 6 Does actually cut characters, Will Ring Fit Trainee take Wii fit's Slot and Function?

 

[Koopaul]

We might have a new Fitness game within that time anyway.

 

[osby]

Well if Smash 6 Does actually cut characters, Will Ring Fit Trainee take Wii fit's Slot and Function?

I don't think characters replacing each other in Smash is a thing, arguably aside from Young Link and Toon Link.

R.O.B. and Greninja didn't take the slots of Mr. Game & Watch and Lucario, similar characters can coexist.