Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[TheCJBrine]

I guess the word "Source code" went by you. We potentially could see the Season Pass 2 fighters get leaked.

It was specifically source code for the N64, Wii and GameCube. Nothing about Smash Ultimate (or any game with their respective console aside from these) will be leaked unless the hacker keeps doing more stuff and gets there (assuming Nintendo and the FBI haven’t already found him a nice, comfy prison cell).

 

[Will]

I guess the word "Source code" went by you. We potentially could see the Season Pass 2 fighters get leaked.

Hell yeah man, can't wait for Plusle and Minun's Brawl appearance after all these twelve long years. They didn't say Switch stuff, now did they?

I'm more worried about Sakurai turning into a hitman than for whatever leaker is out there pulling shenanigans, implying they even have it.

 

[MisterHollywood]

Revealing who the character is early on would remove the excitement of the eventual trailer, and without the mystery of who the character is, there wouldn’t be as much discussion as their is now.

Also, assuming it is Spring Man, people aren’t going to be as upset with the reveal as they would if Nintendo got people’s hopes up first for other AY characters first.

...so why couldn't they just wait? Like, not even announce the next fighter is from ARMS at all, and then just drop the trailer when it's ready. It really doesn't make sense to be like WHO COULD IT BE? without there being something else about the announcement

 

[Wunderwaft]

I guess the word "Source code" went by you. We potentially could see the Season Pass 2 fighters get leaked.

Source code for old consoles like the N64 and Wii. Nothing from the Switch era got leaked dude.

 

[Goombaic]

Revealing who the character is early on would remove the excitement of the eventual trailer, and without the mystery of who the character is, there wouldn’t be as much discussion as their is now.

Guess we're gonna forget how Mewtwo was announced, huh?

 

[RetrogamerMax]

It was specifically source code for the N64, Wii and GameCube. Nothing about Smash Ultimate (or any console aside from these) will be leaked unless the hacker keeps doing more stuff and gets there (assuming Nintendo and the FBI haven’t already found him a nice, comfy prison cell).

Like you said, if he continues eventually FP2 will be leaked. I didn't say it was but potentially it could.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Given how much effort Nintendo has been doing late. I'm certain the ninjas will catch him before he leaks any stuff (At most a little before being caught).

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Guess we're gonna forget how Mewtwo was announced, huh?

Mewtwo had them go "IT'S MEWTWO!" right from the get go. FP6 is 3 months of "My oh my, who could it possibly be? No way to know for sure at all, don't you want to know?"

 

[MisterHollywood]

Mewtwo had them go "IT'S MEWTWO!" right from the get go. FP6 is 3 months of "My oh my, who could it possibly be? No way to know for sure at all, don't you want to know?"

This is true, but the Godzilla guy was saying that it's dumb to reveal who the character is before their trailer cuz it kills the hype, but this guy you're replying is saying that they literally did that with Mewtwo. They just showed his model and were like oh boy he comin

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Source code for old consoles like the N64 and Wii. Nothing from the Switch era got leaked dude.

Still it could get leaked though.

They didn't say Switch stuff, now did they?

Could potentially get leaked though.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

This is true, but the Godzilla guy was saying that it's dumb to reveal who the character is before their trailer cuz it kills the hype, but this guy you're replying is saying that they literally did that with Mewtwo. They just showed his model and were like oh boy he comin

My point is that we knew who we got, and as people wanted Mewtwo, people were happy. It wasn't 3 months of Guess Who and we still had a trailer after the fact despite knowing all of Mewtwo's moves outside of his Final Smash due to him being a veteran. The only reason to not show who the character was is simply to have people not talk about anything other than ARMS despite how ARMS would still get talked about if we knew who it was

 

[PeridotGX]

Question: if we were getting a pure SEGA-created rep (as in, not created by Platinum Games, like or ATLUS, like ), who would you rather have: Sakura Shinguji from Sakura Wars, or Axel Stone from Streets of Rage?

tails or eggman. maybe knuckles.

Still it could get leaked though.



Could potentially get leaked though.

this is all old stuff. Why would something modern, especially something as big as Smash DLC, be among it?

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Whatever but if Streets of Rage manages to get a character in Smash it will be Axel and you know it.

I respect your theory but i assure you that within any Paradigm shift that occurs in our simulation, Axel Stone would not be picked whatsoever.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

My take on the whole ARMS situation:

I think it’s way too early to jump to conclusion and say it’s 100% Spring Man or 100% not Spring Man

Especially since all we really have is a picture with every character on the roster and a tagline saying the ARMS character’s arms can extend (which is literally everyone lol)

Although I rather it not be Spring Man because it would be disappointing (for me) to go with the most basic character on the roster instead of someone a bit more unique, especially since they literally showed the full roster off. And while the concept of AT/spirit upgrades is interesting, it’s not a guarantee for the future by any means if he gets in.

I also dislike the idea of alts because these characters do have differences and don’t necessarily play the same way. And by simplifying them down to one slot, while providing more characters, also kinda takes away the character specific stuff that comes in the actual game.

But yeah those last 2 paragraphs are just my personal opinion. Basically what I trying to say is: it could be anyone (including Spring Man) but with how little we actually know, I do not think we should be calling anyone a 100% lock, not even close.

THANK YOU. My thoughts exactly

 

[RetrogamerMax]

this is all old stuff. Why would something modern, especially something as big as Smash DLC, be among it?

So what if the N64 and Wii are old, it's still huge news. The hacker could get to the Switch stuff if he got major data files from Nintendo's servers from those consoles.

 

[SNEKeater]

I love how Perkilator was making a question about who would we pick between Axel Stone and Sakura and then some people ends answering completely different characters.

I respect your theory but i assure you that within any Paradigm shift that occurs in our simulation, Axel Stone would not be picked whatsoever.

We could make a bet about it.

 

[Perkilator]

I also dislike the idea of alts because these characters do have differences and don’t necessarily play the same way. And by simplifying them down to one slot, while providing more characters, also kinda takes away the character specific stuff that comes in the actual game.

My thoughts exactly. We can always save another ARMS character for the next game, if possible. Getting one that’s not an Echo would be less frustrating (if at all), since ARMS is created and owned by Nintendo.

 

[Ben Holt]

I love how Perkilator was making a question about who would we pick between Axel Stone and Sakura and then some people ends answering completely different characters.

To be fair, I thought he meant Sega in general and merely mentioned Axel and Sakura as suggestions.

 

[Cosmic77]

Honestly, why does it matter if the ARMS character ends up being the most "predictable" choice? It's not like everyone unanimously agreed that Spring Man is the character. Take one look at the poll in both this thread and the ARMS thread and you'll see that for yourself.

So what if the N64 and Wii are old, it's still huge news. The hacker could get to the Switch stuff if he got major data files from Nintendo's servers from those consoles.

The man has already been arrested, and this stuff has been trickling out for a while now. From what I've seen, I doubt we're getting much from consoles past the Wii.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

The man has already been arrested, and this stuff has been trickling out for a while now. From what I've seen, I doubt we're getting much from consoles past the Wii.

Source?

 

[Playstation Guy 1000]

It looks like the N64 and Wii source codes have been leaked as well as other major Nintendo stuff. Season Pass 2 characters incoming?!

I wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of hackers or even a unknown company managed to hack and leak the upcoming characters.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of hackers or even a unknown company managed to hack and leak the upcoming characters.

Exactly!

 

[DarthEnderX]

Question: if we were getting a pure SEGA-created rep (as in, not created by Platinum Games, like or ATLUS, like ), who would you rather have: Sakura Shinguji from Sakura Wars, or Axel Stone from Streets of Rage?

You spell Kazuma Kiryu weird.

If it were Springo, or Min, or whoever, they would have just given us a "Springman springs into battle!" or whatever puntastic tagline goes with that. Why keep the suspense?

Because they didn't have a trailer ready, and you don't announce the specific character without some kind of trailer. But they CAN just show some artwork from ARMS and go "It's an ARMS character!"

 

[Mushroomguy12]

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[Captain Shwampy]

We could make a bet about it.

Sakurai is a for sure a Skate main
All kings are Skate mains. Skate is smash choice.

You know Skate is best when Ayane Koshiro based him off a Ishinomori character

 

[7NATOR]

I Don't want to ask, but I'm gonna do it anyway

How come when suggesting the idea of Alts with Springman, Ribbon Girl, Min-Min, and Ninjara, Twintelle is left out of it. She's also a spirit along with these 4 and has huge fanbase. She may fight with her hair, but I Don't think the Height difference makes that much of a difference. I don't think it matters that much in the actual game. She has her Arms folded most of the time so her Hair might as well be her actual Arms

Plus i know my friend and other people are gonna accuse Sakurai of being racist because she got left out. It would be biggest missed opportunity to leave her out

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I Don't want to ask, but I'm gonna do it anyway

How come when suggesting the idea of Alts with Springman, Ribbon Girl, Min-Min, and Ninjara, Twintelle is left out of it. She's also a spirit along with these 4 and has huge fanbase. She may fight with her hair, but I Don't think the Height difference makes that much of a difference. I don't think it matters that much in the actual game. She has her Arms folded most of the time so her Hair might as well be her actual Arms

Plus i know my friend and other people are gonna accuse Sakurai of being racist because she got left out. It would be biggest missed opportunity to leave her out

Probably has to do with the fact she fights with her hair and not her arms.

 

[Cosmic77]

Source?

The same GameXplain video you provided covers it pretty well, but here's two more sources that cover it more thoroughly.

Basically, they have reason to believe this was a hack of BroadOn, a company that developed Wii hardware and software. Almost everything leaked so far has been from older consoles. As far as I'm aware, the Wii U and Switch haven't been touched. Not sure if the man has been arrested yet, as it seems like the person who said it made a mistake and was referring to a different event. Still, seeing how they have this much information so soon, I don't think it'll be long before they find the culprit.

 

[Will]

Still it could get leaked though.


Could potentially get leaked though.

If they could only nab things from up to the Wii era then saying they can grab Switch source code is like stealing a painting from a really small museum and then going "Oh **** what if he steals the Mona Lisa next?".

 

[Guynamednelson]

I Don't want to ask, but I'm gonna do it anyway

How come when suggesting the idea of Alts with Springman, Ribbon Girl, Min-Min, and Ninjara, Twintelle is left out of it. She's also a spirit along with these 4 and has huge fanbase. She may fight with her hair, but I Don't think the Height difference makes that much of a difference. I don't think it matters that much in the actual game. She has her Arms folded most of the time so her Hair might as well be her actual Arms

Plus i know my friend and other people are gonna accuse Sakurai of being racist because she got left out. It would be biggest missed opportunity to leave her out

It wouldn't work. Alts need to have the exact same animation skeleton, and you can't do that when your ARMS are in your head as opposed to...where your lowercase arms would be.

 

[7NATOR]

It wouldn't work. Alts need to have the exact same animation skeleton, and you can't do that when your ARMS are in your head as opposed to...where your lowercase arms would be.

They could have Twintelle's Hair hang around where her Arms would be. That way she still fights with her Hair, but her animations match the other characters using their actual Arms

 

[Guynamednelson]

They could have Twintelle's Hair hang around where her Arms would be. That way she still fights with her Hair, but her animations match the other characters using their actual Arms

You'd get something that'd look like a cheap Brawl mod if you did that.

 

[Cosmic77]

If Twintelle and her hair can somehow work as an identical alt of Spring Man, then I'd love to hear Sakurai explain how Isabelle couldn't work as an Echo let alone an alt of Villager.

 

[Ben Holt]

You'd get something that'd look like a cheap Brawl mod if you did that.

This. My thoughts exactly.

But Twintelle's not gonna be in anyway; she's a meme pick because of her ass.
Hell, Sakurai once said that he didn't include Waluigi because the demand for him is not "genuine".

 

[7NATOR]

You'd get something that'd look like a cheap Brawl mod if you did that.

I don't know about that. Sakurai and the Team should be able to animate something like that. It's just different positioning of the hair to Hit around where her Arms would be. they can make it look good

If Twintelle and her hair can somehow work as an identical alt of Spring Man, then I'd love to hear Sakurai explain how Isabelle couldn't work as an Echo let alone an alt of Villager.

Different Scenarios. Isabelle uses different Body propertions to Villager. you can't position that any other way. You can do that with Twintelle's Hair. I feel like you guys are making the hair seems more than it actually is

 

[Guynamednelson]

I don't know about that. Sakurai and the Team should be able to animate something like that. It's just different positioning of the hair to Hit around where her Arms would be. they can make it look good

No, they can't. Considering how skeletal animation works, if the ARMS fighter has an animation where they look behind them or even to the side, it's gonna look really ugly if Twintelle is an alt.

 

[Ben Holt]

I don't know about that. Sakurai and the Team should be able to animate something like that. It's just different positioning of the hair to Hit around where her Arms would be. they can make it look good




Different Scenarios. Isabelle uses different Body propertions to Villager. you can't position that any other way. You can do that with Twintelle's Hair. I feel like you guys are making the hair seems more than it actually is

To emulate a punch from the shoulder, Twintelle would have to be a head shorter than Spring Man. That's not gonna happen.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

For those interested, I finished my Smashboards news article concerning the possibility of 2B in Smash. Please check it out!

 

[Perkilator]

For those interested, I finished my Smashboards news article concerning the possibility of 2B in Smash. Please check it out!

I read it. Can’t wait for Part 2!

 

[7NATOR]

No, they can't. Considering how skeletal animation works, if the ARMS fighter has an animation where they look behind them or even to the side, it's gonna look really ugly if Twintelle is an alt.

They Plan for these animations with Alts in mind though. Even if plans change, it's not like they can't change animations to make the Alts look good

To emulate a punch from the shoulder, Twintelle would have to be a head shorter than Spring Man. That's not gonna happen.

Actually how tall is Twintelle compared to Springman anyway? I never thought to compare heights?