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As stated before by others - the “main” Character of fighting games seem to shift based on Popularity (Scorpion/Nightmare)

Min Min won the arms brawl tourney Event, so they could easily use that as an excuse for her to enter smash to look for new challengers.

Springman and Ribbon Girl are on the cover so I would guess if Min Min didn’t make it in as the Rep - one of these two would (also keep in mind when ARMS was released and when the AT/Mii Costumes were added - the folks at Nintendo likely had no idea who would be the crowd favorite.)

Also don’t really see the “hero” alts as options for the fighters - you gimp what makes them each unique in that game if you combine their specific skills or remove them (could see a bonus Echo included here to work around this and have the fighters keep their personalities)
 
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Still rooting for the boy Hayabusa. I don't care if he'd seem "obvious" he'd be a pretty fun character.
 

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Remember that when making echos/alts, the most important part is getting a character's skeleton to fit correctly. That's how we're able to get both :ultwiifittrainer: and :ultwiifittrainerm: as the same character, despite the latter having much more masculine proportions.

I think the deciding factor on if we get a Koopaling situation for ARMS is if Nintendo sees it as worth it to strip away some of their personality. We've seen them do this with the Koopalings and Olimar/Alph, so I could still see it going either way.

I think Springman with maybe a Ribbon Girl alt/echo would probably be the safest bet, but I also think its too early to rule out other possibilities.
 

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Springman and Ribbon Girl are on the cover so I would guess if Min Min didn’t make it in as the Rep - one of these two would (also keep in mind when ARMS was released and when the AT/Mii Costumes were added - the folks at Nintendo likely had no idea who would be the crowd favorite.)
I'm pretty sure both Nintendo and Sakurai were aware of fan favorites like Min Min and Twintelle by the time the Mii costumes were made. Why choose those two specifically to be Spirits alongside the first three characters revealed for ARMS? He could've easily gone with Master Mummy or Mechanica.
 

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Any interactions you guys think could make for a good trailer?
I like the idea of Neo Cortex teleporting Crash to Smash as a plot to defeat him, only to see him excel as a fighter. The gameplay portion of his trailer would have Cortex perform commentary as he gets increasingly frustrated at Crash's moveset. Think of the Phantom Thieves in Joker's trailer or Sothis in Byleth's trailers, but instead of hyping up the character directly Cortex is just dumbfounded at how things are backfiring for him.

"A Fruit Bazooka!?! How is that fair!?"
 
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I would say, for Castlevania, Alucard is just as much of a mascot as the Belmont’s are.

I think some folks might be misconstruing the point.

Mascots/protagonists differ from series to series. It is not a “one size fits all” definition. For example, Alucard is an icon of Castlevania as a series and is a protagonist of arguably the most influential game in the series. That’s nothing to sneeze at.

Likewise, when it comes to Devil May Cry, Dante is essentially the pick. It’s Dante.

If we were to get a character from Nier, there’s two options: either the protagonist from the first game or 2B, from the arguably more “mainstream” title. In that case, 2B makes plenty of sense.

When it comes to ARMS? The difference is that the characters in discussion are just...not quite the same. Spring Man/Ribbon Girl are the mascots/cover characters. Min-Min is popular, but she’s not the mascot/cover girl. When it comes to gameplay, Spring Man is just as capable as embodying the gameplay of ARMS as Min-Min is. I’d actually argue that if it’s focusing on “ARMS” as a game rather than the specific character, Spring Man makes more sense in that regard because he’s basic, yet still unique from the rest of the Smash roster.

That said, I don’t think anybody should discount Min-Min as a contender simply based on her popularity. There’s no doubt that if they went for somebody aside from Spring Man and Ribbon Girl, Min-Min is looking good (though despite that, if popularity is a big indicator, why aren’t we talking more about Ninjara? Isn’t he popular?) She has merits to get in. I just don’t think popularity is the be all end all “thing” to get somebody into Smash, and am interested in discussing it further.

EDIT: Just to be clear, in my opinion ARMS is between Spring Man (cover boy, mascot) or Min-Min (popular).

I do wonder though, if somebody can answer for me, how does Ninjara compare to Min-Min in terms of popularity? I’ve heard he’s popular in his own right but wasn’t exactly sure how it compares.
I honestly think you confused the point...

Being on the cover does not make the character the mascot in the first of a character based game. The first Pokemon games had Venusaur and Charizard on the front- are they the mascots? No. Pikachu is the mascot.

What you described in your post, stating about being the protagonist, differs greatly from being the mascot as well- especially in a fighting game.
TEKKENS protagonist is Jin. The mascot is Heihachi.
MORTAL KOMBATS protagonist is Liu Kang. The Mascot is Scorpion.
SOUL CALIBRE's mascot is Nightmare.


A protagonist is the lead in the story. Spring Man *is* the protagonist, of the first game, the game used to introduce people to what ARMS is at a passing glance. That is marketing, and more of a reason for him to be on the cover than anything else in the first game. People have to look at the game and immediatley understand what it is. Having a 'basic' character for this is ideal, especially with a game like ARMS. Parents looking at the game have to know what it is for there kids (and it isnt a game about Hair- Twintelle, it isnt an Asian game- which is what Min Min would impress, I assure you, and it isnt about Ninja's- Ninjara. The game is about characters with Springy Arms. That's why Spring Man was made!).

So as far as to say- the game currently has no mascot. The protagonist is Spring Man. The fan favorite is Min Min, though again, I'd rank Twintelle up there quite highly. The Mascot has not yet been determined. That will only come in time. (And in fact- whatever character is in Smash, if its just a single one, will inevitably become the mascot. This is part of why the chosen character is such a big excitement- we get to see what Nintendo has determined, with their data of online rankings, fan polls, and more, to see who they think should be the mascot).

TL;DR:
Protagonist- Spring Man (for now, its only one game in)
Favorite- Min Min
Mascot- TBD
 

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I like the idea of Neo Cortex teleporting Crash to Smash as a plot to defeat him, only to see him excel as a fighter. The gameplay portion of his trailer would have Cortex perform commentary as he gets increasingly frustrated at Crash's moveset. Think of the Phantom Thieves in Joker's trailer or Sothis in Byleth's trailers, but instead of hyping up the character directly Cortex is just dumbfounded at how things are backfiring for him.

"A Fruit Bazooka!?! How is that fair!?"
Best idea ever.
 

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What? My man, we don't know why they decided to leave the ARMS character unknown, they never said it was to get talk about ARMS. You actually acknowledged that no matter if they revealed them or not it would get people talking about ARMS, so that point makes no sense.
Ok first of all this is like the third time you've called me a dude despite my name literally being Gwen so please stop.

Second, we already established that Nintendo are dumbasses who don't understand how marketing works, I see them thinking they HAVE to keep it a secret to keep people talking despite them clearly using a free trial this late into the game's lifespan to make people try it out
 

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Well, of all of the MK games with a character on the boxart, it's Scorpion. Not Liu Kang. I don't know if that's the best comparison.
That's exactly the point.
The first Mortal Kombat game didnt have a character.

Listen... I don't know how to make my point more clear.

If we looked at all fighting games prominently, there is no question that the consensus would be the mascot in nearly all cases.
In the TWO fighting games we have, we have the ones that happen to have mascots that are also protagonists.


What he is trying to say is that in pretty much every Mortal Kombat, Liu Kang is seen as the "hero"/protagonist. Sure, Scorpion is the big boy, but he's not what they consider to be the main character. ARMS is like that as in there is no main character. Spring Man is just the face of ARMS. So even though Spring Man and Scorpion are the faces of their games, this doesn't make them the main characters.

Also, not all have just Scorpion on the cover. May I remind you of:
Wait.. you got it all right (meaning, my point), but the last part.

Liu Kang and Spring Man are both the protagonists (as far as we can tell, Spring Man is currently the protagonist.)
However, that doesnt make him a mascot.

We cannot know that until the next game, when the series isnt whats being pushed (meaning, not needing a basic character to establish the IP to people who dont know it), but the fun characters get chosen.

I'm looking at this completely from a marketing and sociological point of view, which is generally how I approach Smash speculation.
 

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Ok first of all this is like the third time you've called me a dude despite my name literally being Gwen so please stop.

Second, we already established that Nintendo are dumbasses who don't understand how marketing works, I see them thinking they HAVE to keep it a secret to keep people talking despite them clearly using a free trial this late into the game's lifespan to make people try it out
bruh I use "guy" terms for everyone I talk to ever. Yes, I know you're a girl, and more importantly, you know you're a girl. If I call you a guy or say something like "my guy" it doesn't change the fact that that you're a girl lmao just chill

And I'm going to say this for the last time. There are 2 reasons that the ARMS character is being added/
1. Nintendo wants to promote the game, hence the 10 day free trial
2. Sakurai believes the ARMS character will be very unique (and i think we can all agree)

We're in agreement on these 2 right? So, in the case of both of these goals, there is absolutely no reason why the ARMS character is being hidden unless there is something more. Both of these goals can be easily achieved (hell if not achieved better) with just showing / telling us who the character is. Yes, Nintendo is dumb sometimes, but how exactly does that translate to "okay, we want to promote this game, so let's NOT tell people who the character is! that will get people into the game!" literally revealing the character would do the same thing, everyone knows that, Nintendo included

Any interactions you guys think could make for a good trailer?
I don't think Monster Hunter will get in but if they did, Monster Hunter fighting Ridley would be dope
 

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Ok first of all this is like the third time you've called me a dude despite my name literally being Gwen so please stop.
...I could have sworn that some time in the past, I read your description, and it called you "male".
Cause the name "Cutie Gwen" always seemed feminine to me, but somewhere along the line I started thinking of you as male.
Where the **** did I go wrong here?
 

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bruh I use "guy" terms for everyone I talk to ever. Yes, I know you're a girl, and more importantly, you know you're a girl. If I call you a guy or say something like "my guy" it doesn't change the fact that that you're a girl lmao just chill

And I'm going to say this for the last time. There are 2 reasons that the ARMS character is being added/
1. Nintendo wants to promote the game, hence the 10 day free trial
2. Sakurai believes the ARMS character will be very unique (and i think we can all agree)

We're in agreement on these 2 right? So, in the case of both of these goals, there is absolutely no reason why the ARMS character is being hidden unless there is something more. Both of these goals can be easily achieved (hell if not achieved better) with just showing / telling us who the character is. Yes, Nintendo is dumb sometimes, but how exactly does that translate to "okay, we want to promote this game, so let's NOT tell people who the character is! that will get people into the game!" literally revealing the character would do the same thing, everyone knows that, Nintendo included
So what you're saying is that you want to sleep with guys. I'm just so tired of how common this **** is despite the name and my avis (Though this one's less obvious despite the name)

Sakurai's statement of how no characters he shot down were done out of lack of ideas shows that he'd be able to make a goddamn Tetris block work.

Nintendo didn't understand that youtubers making videos of Nintendo games promoted Nintendo games, they didn't understand that gaming evolved past 'that thing children like doing' which is what helped the Wii U's death sentence, they didn't understand they need to market their new IPs until Splatoon came out, they didn't understand that the 3DS was dead when the Switch came out similarly to how they tried to keep the GBA alive when the DS first came out. It's entirely on brand to not understand this
 

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So what you're saying is that you want to sleep with guys. I'm just so tired of how common this **** is despite the name and my avis (Though this one's less obvious despite the name)

Sakurai's statement of how no characters he shot down were done out of lack of ideas shows that he'd be able to make a goddamn Tetris block work.

Nintendo didn't understand that youtubers making videos of Nintendo games promoted Nintendo games, they didn't understand that gaming evolved past 'that thing children like doing' which is what helped the Wii U's death sentence, they didn't understand they need to market their new IPs until Splatoon came out, they didn't understand that the 3DS was dead when the Switch came out similarly to how they tried to keep the GBA alive when the DS first came out. It's entirely on brand to not understand this
I mean if they're hot why not and what the **** is an avis

And I really don't see how this is relevant to what we're talking about? Especially the tetris block **** but that's kinda funny

I think smash has always been marketed very smartly, with the exception of always ending on some bull**** like ****ing Duck Hunt or Byleth. An even then, it's technically smart since they show off the hype **** first (Snake, Mega Man, Ryu, Ridley, Joker) to get people into it, and then when everyone already bought the season pass or preordered the game it's like LOL INCINEROAR

If anything, that tells me the ARMS character is probably gonna be dope cuz we usually start with the dope characters, THEN we get the dumb ****

And no disrespect to the characters I mentioned, Incineroar and Duck Hunt are unique and fun charactes, and I have Byleth as one of my mains now, but it doesn't change that they not hype at all (at least to a majority)
 

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So what you're saying is that you want to sleep with guys. I'm just so tired of how common this **** is despite the name and my avis (Though this one's less obvious despite the name)
Sorry. I admit that I could have TOTALLY been wrong and just made assumptions out of ignorance, but somewhere in my memory, I recall you having your profile listed as male. I fully admit that this could 100% be a false memory.
Look on your profile now, and you can see where I, back in January, referred to your avatar as feminine.
Also, I too use "guy" as a gender neutral term, so please cut MisterHollywood some slack.


And yes, I do sleep with guys. Pansexual.
 

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...I could have sworn that some time in the past, I read your description, and it called you "male".
Cause the name "Cutie Gwen" always seemed feminine to me, but somewhere along the line I started thinking of you as male.
Where the **** did I go wrong here?
Does anyone else have an impossible time reading this color on this board? Even when I highlight it, this color isnt visible enough to me.

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What do you guys think will be the stage entrance of the ARMS fighter?
 

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Does anyone else have an impossible time reading this color on this board? Even when I highlight it, this color isnt visible enough to me.

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What do you guys think will be the stage entrance of the ARMS fighter?
Spring Man using his springy arms to catapult himself upwards and striking a pose.
 

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Does anyone else have an impossible time reading this color on this board? Even when I highlight it, this color isnt visible enough to me.

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What do you guys think will be the stage entrance of the ARMS fighter?
If it's Min Min, definitely that weird pose she does. You know the one I'm talking about but I can't describe it
 

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Spring Man using his springy arms to catapult himself upwards and striking a pose.
No comment on the purple eh?
I enjoy your posts... but they are painful to try to see.
Am I the only one?

Why is this even a color option on the boards?
 
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No comment on the purple eh?
I enjoy your posts... but they are painful to try to see.
Am I the only one?

Why is this even a color option on the boards?
I see my color just fine, but you can turn colored posts off.
 

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I mean if they're hot why not and what the **** is an avis

And I really don't see how this is relevant to what we're talking about? Especially the tetris block **** but that's kinda funny

I think smash has always been marketed very smartly, with the exception of always ending on some bull**** like ****ing Duck Hunt or Byleth. An even then, it's technically smart since they show off the hype **** first (Snake, Mega Man, Ryu, Ridley, Joker) to get people into it, and then when everyone already bought the season pass or preordered the game it's like LOL INCINEROAR

If anything, that tells me the ARMS character is probably gonna be dope cuz we usually start with the dope characters, THEN we get the dumb ****

And no disrespect to the characters I mentioned, Incineroar and Duck Hunt are unique and fun charactes, and I have Byleth as one of my mains now, but it doesn't change that they not hype at all (at least to a majority)
Avi, my avatar, the profile pic.

You argued Spring Man was chosen for being unique, we know for a fact that Sakurai said that no characters got shot down for lack of ideas, meaning everyone who Sakurai shot down would be unique by his own admission
 

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Avi, my avatar, the profile pic.

You argued Spring Man was chosen for being unique, we know for a fact that Sakurai said that no characters got shot down for lack of ideas, meaning everyone who Sakurai shot down would be unique by his own admission
What? I'm saying the ARMS character was chosen for their uniqueness. Any ARMS character would be unique, not just Spring Man. As long as their arms stretch like people that argue Geno has a chance then they'll be unique
 

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What? I'm saying the ARMS character was chosen for their uniqueness. Any ARMS character would be unique, not just Spring Man. As long as their arms stretch like people that argue Geno has a chance then they'll be unique
You know what I'm just gonna drop this because I'm genuinely struggling to comprehend anything you're saying
 

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Wait, you can turn off font colors? I never knew that.


On topic uhhh, well, whoever the ARMs character is, I'll just be glad to have them. I enjoy Byleth, but they're definitely not someone I intend to main, granted, neither are the ARMs character probably but new content is new content.
 

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You know what I'm just gonna drop this because I'm genuinely struggling to comprehend anything you're saying
lol look, you aren't confused, you just know you don't have an argument, so you're just gonna pretend like you don't have any idea what I'm saying when I've been pretty clear

how about let's take it from the top and have a discussion. what is the point you are trying to convey to me

Wait, you can turn off font colors? I never knew that.


On topic uhhh, well, whoever the ARMs character is, I'll just be glad to have them. I enjoy Byleth, but they're definitely not someone I intend to main, granted, neither are the ARMs character probably but new content is new content.
i have no doubt the ARMS character will be fun as ****
competitively, this character is either gonna be hella good or hella bad no in between
 

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Fighting is bad. :(
Unless it's between two to eight characters simulated in a computer program.
 

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lol look, you aren't confused, you just know you don't have an argument, so you're just gonna pretend like you don't have any idea what I'm saying when I've been pretty clear

how about let's take it from the top and have a discussion. what is the point you are trying to convey to me
Dude I never said Spring Man wasn't unique but you're claiming that by stating that we know for a fact Sakurai never shot down a potential DLC character due to lack of ideas means I said Spring Man wouldn't be unique. Now you're saying that you grossly misinterpretting what I'm saying confusing me must mean I have no arguments when you're making mountains out of nonexistant molehills like you did last night by saying me being pessimistic about Spring Man goes against your sense of realism
 

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I hope whoever the ARMS character is gets a Dr.Coyle color palette I think green gold and silver would look cool on pretty much any of the ARMS characters.
 

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Does it really matter who we're talking about? All fifteen ARMS characters have this cool little ability where they can stretch their arms about twenty feet across the stage and punch someone. So how many existing Smash characters can do something similar to that? Zero, right?

Seriously, this doesn't have to be complicated. Even if Nintendo's ambiguous reveal in March just leads up to a Spring Man trailer, it'll be extremely hard to mess this up. I don't think we have to worry about this character feeling boring.
 
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And I'm going to say this for the last time. There are 2 reasons that the ARMS character is being added/
1. Nintendo wants to promote the game, hence the 10 day free trial
2. Sakurai believes the ARMS character will be very unique (and i think we can all agree)

We're in agreement on these 2 right? So, in the case of both of these goals, there is absolutely no reason why the ARMS character is being hidden unless there is something more. Both of these goals can be easily achieved (hell if not achieved better) with just showing / telling us who the character is. Yes, Nintendo is dumb sometimes, but how exactly does that translate to "okay, we want to promote this game, so let's NOT tell people who the character is! that will get people into the game!" literally revealing the character would do the same thing, everyone knows that, Nintendo included
I'm not so sure about this. One of the big things that I've consistently seen praised about Arms is the character design, and I completely agree with the praise. Arms has lots of really unique and cleverly designed characters. By telling us that the new fighter will be from Arms, Smash fans are forced to learn about the entire roster, rather than just the one character chosen as the fighter. I think it's entirely possible that Nintendo was hoping for Smash fans to appreciate Arm's fun roster of characters, which would hopefully lead them to consider buying the game.

If this was their plan, it worked on me. Making me learn about the characters caused me to want to buy the game, and I eventually did. Had I only seen one character, I highly doubt that I would've really cared about the rest of the cast, and I probably wouldn't have ended up buying the game. For example, I've never felt any urge to learn more about Fatal Fury, because the only character that I know is Terry. It was being forced to familiarize myself with the Arms roster that caused me to want the game.
 

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Does it really matter who we're talking about? All fifteen ARMS characters have this cool little ability where they can stretch their arms about twenty feet across the stage and punch someone. So how many existing Smash characters can do something similar to that? Zero, right?

Seriously, this doesn't have to be complicated. Even if Nintendo's ambiguous reveal just leads up to a Spring Man trailer, it'll extremely hard to mess this up. I don't think we have to worry about this character feeling boring.
When people say Spring Man's boring it's in comparison to all the other ARMs characters and that Spring Man wouldn't be satisfying after 3 months of teasing, implying everyone other than Spring Man has a chance
 

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I still think it'll be at the very least 2 characters, 1 being an Echo.


I don't see us getting a 3rd Fighter's pass after this one, and we know they were planning an extensive DLC life as early back as some time in 2018-early 2019 due to the additional 16 slots in World of Light, which have been steadily been getting filled with DLC characters since.


I just don't see them leaving 4 to rot when it seems like they picked 16 exactly for a very clear reason.
 

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No comment on the purple eh?
I enjoy your posts... but they are painful to try to see.
Am I the only one?

Why is this even a color option on the boards?
More options = better?

It's readable if you have good vision, though it doesn't comply with accessibility guidelines (not enough contrast). It's not the only one like this, but people don't usually decide "Ya' know what color I want my text to be? Dark gray."

Your monitor settings could also affect its readability. That's not to say your setting are wrong (it's mostly just a preference thing), but a setting that makes colors pop a bit more could help in that respect if you were determined to keep color on, but also wanted to read it.

I just don't see them leaving 4 to rot when it seems like they picked 16 exactly for a very clear reason.
Unfortunately the reasoning could be that they picked a high number so that they wouldn't go over it. Like when you make an array that takes a variably large input larger than what can possibly be imputed or as large as it possibly can be to make sure your program doesn't blow up due to something unexpected being passed into it.
 
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More options = better?

It's readable if you have good vision, though it doesn't comply with accessibility guidelines (not enough contrast). It's not the only one like this, but people don't usually decide "Ya' know what color I want my text to be? Dark gray."

Your monitor settings could also affect its readability. That's not to say your setting are wrong (it's mostly just a preference thing), but a setting that makes colors pop a bit more could help in that respect if you were determined to keep color on, but also wanted to read it.


Unfortunately the reasoning could be that they picked a high number so that they wouldn't go over it. Like when you make an array that takes a variably large input larger than what can possibly be imputed or as large as it possibly can be to make sure your program doesn't blow up due to something unexpected.
They absolutely could have, but why 16 exact? Why not 20? 25? 50?


We just won't know until we see the character to be fair.


The big thing I'll point out is that, unlike the first FP, which they made it abundantly clear that Echoes would not be part of it, they said nothing of the sort of it for FP2.


We just don't have enough info to make any solid claims right now other than to theorize.
 

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They absolutely could have, but why 16 exact? Why not 20? 25? 50?


We just won't know until we see the character to be fair.


The big thing I'll point out is that, unlike the first FP, which they made it abundantly clear that Echoes would not be part of it, they said nothing of the sort of it for FP2.


We just don't have enough info to make any solid claims right now other than to theorize.
Doesn't it blow up if you add more? 16 could have been the maximum.
 
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