Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Rangez]

Yes, data miners found files pointing to Crash Bandicoot as a DLC newcomer for Super Smash Bros Brawl published by Nintendo for Wii.

Interesting development, I'm curious to see how this will affect Ultimate.

Seriously?! Like, where are you getting this from?

 

[Perkilator]

Pretty sure he’s just pulling your leg

Haha, now you look gullible.

Yep. They also found files titled yetanotherfireemblem, yourleastwantedchar, stoletheslotofyourfave and illneveraddwaluigi but it is not certain which characters they exactly refer to. It's possible that they might be placeholders for future candidates with unknown qualities.

Man, I just LOOOOOOOOOVE getting ****ing PUNK’D.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Man, I just LOOOOOOOOOVE getting ****ing PUNK’D.

Sorry if I came across as rude there. The joke was supposed to be that I fell for the same thing right after making fun of you.

 

[Lionfranky]

A lack of Nintendo presence isn't really a barrier to entry if Nintendo or the devs want the character in. In the case of Team Fortress 2, it would get in because Nintendo wanted to form a partnership with Valve. In which case, I'd say that Portal and Half Life would likely get a character before Team Fortress 2 since they're much less niche.

Thinking about it, I wouldn't be surprised if we got a Valve Spirit event featuring characters from all three games, and possibly a few extras that I can't think of off the top of my head.

Well.. Nintendo appearance is constant argument that people still bring up against Master Chief... I'm wondering why people don't use that argument against 2B and Heavy. (unless I've missed something.)
I think Smash team is slowly getting geared for western characters. Sure, 3.8 million sales is no joke, but majority of sales come from non Japan territory, so I see no reason why western characters can't be playable. Sakurai should also say that Smash should be used to promote western games in Japan.

 

[PeridotGX]

We found a codename of Stromboli, which is Rillaboom's Italian name

holy **** you're right

edit: images are brokwn, use direct link https://imgur.com/a/S9ridgH

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Well.. Nintendo appearance is constant argument that people still bring up against Master Chief... I'm wondering why people don't use that argument against 2B and Heavy. (unless I've missed something.)
I think Smash team is slowly getting geared for western characters. Sure, 3.8 million sales is no joke, but majority of sales come from non Japan territory, so I see no reason why western characters can't be playable. Sakurai should also say that Smash should be used to promote western games in Japan.

The thing about that is that it was an official rule that was later revoked by Sakurai himself, stating that it was more of a courtesy. The issue with having no presence on Nintendo consoles is more about not having anything to do with Nintendo, thus making Nintendo less willing to go for the character in question (at least in theory, I don't think there's really any way to know that for certain).

The only thing holding back western characters specifically is language and custom barriers, which seem to have been dealt with just fine in Banjo & Kazooie's case, so I wouldn't worry about where a character's company is located.

 

[Will]

Yes, data miners found files pointing to Crash Bandicoot as a DLC newcomer for Super Smash Bros Brawl published by Nintendo for Wii.

Interesting development, I'm curious to see how this will affect Ultimate.

Oh **** I was right.

Oh wow dude, can't wait to get those sick Brawl DLC leaks

 

[Cosmic77]

The leaker is actually Cooking Mama who's getting revenge for the possible lawsuit against her Switch game. If she goes down she's going down in style.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I think when it comes to western picks, it once again turns into different situations dependent on the character. We only have 1 so far with Banjo-Kazooie, and we know now that there were particular circumstances that made that happen.

Now, this isn't to say that we're never getting a western pick every again. I personally would love to see Crash Bandicoot, and I find he's a relatively possible pick here. I think Banjo being added shows it can happen, but it doesn't necessarily point to more of these additions happening on his own.

It's very similar to the AT/Spirit Upgrade premise. A Spring Man addition to Smash shows that Assist Trophies can be upgrades, but it doesn't necessarily mean other upgrades are coming at the individual level.

It's a load off for some folks whose characters might have been previously considered out of the running, but I'm not even sure it's that much of a true weight lifted. There's still the obvious chance that no further upgrades or western characters will be among the 5 DLC characters after ARMS, meaning that these things could still be more of an exception than a norm.

Who knows? Guess we can only wait and see, and just discuss things in the meantime.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I think when it comes to western picks, it once again turns into different situations dependent on the character. We only have 1 so far with Banjo-Kazooie, and we know now that there were particular circumstances that made that happen.

Now, this isn't to say that we're never getting a western pick every again. I personally would love to see Crash Bandicoot, and I find he's a relatively possible pick here. I think Banjo being added shows it can happen, but it doesn't necessarily point to more of these additions happening on his own.

It's very similar to the AT/Spirit Upgrade premise. A Spring Man addition to Smash shows that Assist Trophies can be upgrades, but it doesn't necessarily mean other upgrades are coming at the individual level.

It's a load off for some folks whose characters might have been previously considered out of the running, but I'm not even sure it's that much of a true weight lifted. There's still the obvious chance that no further upgrades or western characters will be among the 5 DLC characters after ARMS, meaning that these things could still be more of an exception than a norm.

Who knows? Guess we can only wait and see, and just discuss things in the meantime.

It basically boils down to the fact that these editions confirm that characters like them are possible, but not inevitable, which just means that they can be judged based on their own merits rather than being shot down by menial non cannon traits like parent company and Assist Trophy status.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Question: if we were getting a pure SEGA-created rep (as in, not created by Platinum Games, like or ATLUS, like ), who would you rather have: Sakura Shinguji from Sakura Wars, or Axel Stone from Streets of Rage?

Axel, hands down.

 

[HansShotFirst20]

Aight, don't lynch me for this.

If we're getting echoes in, or adjacent to, FPv2, I think Nemesis from FE3H would make an awesome Echo for Ganondorf. They have similar builds, Nemesis could easily be reasoned to have Falcondorf's abilities, and they have suspiciously similar backstories -- bandit kings who came into the possession of extremely powerful divine relics, and start conflicts that threaten the gods themselves.

 

[Will]

Question: if we were getting a pure SEGA-created rep (as in, not created by Platinum Games, like or ATLUS, like ), who would you rather have: Sakura Shinguji from Sakura Wars, or Axel Stone from Streets of Rage?

The objectively correct answer is none of those and we get Kiryu instead.

We don't take Yakuza ignorance in this thread.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Aight, don't lynch me for this.

If we're getting echoes in, or adjacent to, FPv2, I think Nemesis from FE3H would make an awesome Echo for Ganondorf. They have similar builds, Nemesis could easily be reasoned to have Falcondorf's abilities, and they have suspiciously similar backstories -- bandit kings who came into the possession of extremely powerful divine relics, and start conflicts that threaten the gods themselves.

I COULD object to this but then I remember God Shattering Star got robbed so I am now in favour of this

 

[HansShotFirst20]

Question: if we were getting a pure SEGA-created rep (as in, not created by Platinum Games, like or ATLUS, like ), who would you rather have: Sakura Shinguji from Sakura Wars, or Axel Stone from Streets of Rage?

Sakura cuz waifu for laifu

I COULD object to this but then I remember God Shattering Star got robbed so I am now in favour of this

Yes, that would be the principal benefit of Nemesis's prospective inclusion.

 

[Cosmic77]

We could get another Western third-party, but it might take a while if things stay the way they are now. Above both Nintendo and Microsoft, fans are the ones most responsible for Banjo and Kazooie getting in Smash, as the extremely vocal support for the pair is likely what nudged the two companies to collaborate in the first place.

Now I'm not saying there aren't any popular third-parties. I just haven't seen any that come close to what Banjo had.

 

[Jerry98]

We found a codename of Stromboli, which is Rillaboom's Italian name

Lol

Seriously... I think that the responsibles of the Italian localization the best choice back in the days made when they decided to keep the same pokémon names as the english ones. French and German names are often different!

 

[Knight Dude]

I'd go for Streets of Rage for Sega getting another character. And if not them, then Joe Mushashi.

 

[Garteam]

Aight, don't lynch me for this.

If we're getting echoes in, or adjacent to, FPv2, I think Nemesis from FE3H would make an awesome Echo for Ganondorf. They have similar builds, Nemesis could easily be reasoned to have Falcondorf's abilities, and they have suspiciously similar backstories -- bandit kings who came into the possession of extremely powerful divine relics, and start conflicts that threaten the gods themselves.

This could work, the only issue is that the Sword of the Creator doesn't really work anything like Ganondorf's Claymore. It's a one-handed whip sword of reasonable size, which is an issue given that Ganondorf uses a massive two-hander that's slightly smaller than his body. You could circumvent this by giving Nemesis an alternative weapon, but that would be kinda weird given his identification with the Sword of the Creator.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

This could work, the only issue is that the Sword of the Creator doesn't really work anything like Ganondorf's Claymore. It's a one-handed whip sword of reasonable size, which is an issue given that Ganondorf uses a massive two-hander that's slightly smaller than his body. You could circumvent this by giving Nemesis an alternative weapon, but that would be kinda weird given his identification with the Sword of the Creator.

Nah just make the hitbox smaller without changing any of the frame data. It'll be fine.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Aight, don't lynch me for this.

If we're getting echoes in, or adjacent to, FPv2, I think Nemesis from FE3H would make an awesome Echo for Ganondorf. They have similar builds, Nemesis could easily be reasoned to have Falcondorf's abilities, and they have suspiciously similar backstories -- bandit kings who came into the possession of extremely powerful divine relics, and start conflicts that threaten the gods themselves.

That may be, but I don't think we need another clone of a clone. Besides, if there were two series which don't need any more clones on the roster, it's Zelda and Fire Emblem.

(this despite the fact that I would be completely okay with Twili Midna as a Zelda echo).

I don't know what's going to happen with those datamined slots, but I don't think it's something we should look at as a "well, they hafta fill them" kind of thing. Maybe they will, or maybe they just put in a bunch at the beginning just to not have to datamine some in again.

And can someone confirm this: do alt model costumes take up a character slot, like for example Ike takes up 2 slots since he has the baby and swole versions? I thought someone said they did at one point, but I can't find that. If so, that could point even more toward them just making a bunch of slots and filling them is as needed.

 

[AEMehr]

late response but

My way of seeing it is this.

I'm almost 100% sure it'll be Spring Man. Like it or not, he gets main character status among the ARMS cast. He's first on the roster. He's the Assist Trophy. His spirit is the first ARMS spirit numerically. He's the one with a villainous copy in Springtron.

The only way I see it going any other way is if the dev team specifically requests someone else, likely Min Min considering they also really like her. But since Nintendo is deciding the line up anyway, I can't realistically see anyone BUT Spring Man.

My go to example is them picking Byleth over Edelgard. Everything people use to justify a different ARMS character (let's say Min Min for consistency) over Spring Man and more could apply to picking Edelgard over Byleth.

Edelgard was, and still is even after Smash, significantly more popular than Byleth. In fact, Dimitri and Claude are too. All three House Leaders are. Min Min is far more popular than Spring Man.

Edelgard is inherently more interesting than Byleth, as Byleth is intentionally a blank silent slate and Sakurai said personality is important. Min Min has a neat backstory involving her family's restaurant while Spring Man is your generic energetic protagonist.

Edelgard is more unique due to a starkly different weapon type and gameplay style, being a heavyweight axe user. Byleth is another sword user, albeit the Sword of the Creator is a whipsword (which ironically enough got UNDERPLAYED in Smash). Min Min has a dragon arm and kicks while Spring Man is basic.

Edelgard was all over the marketing and promotion, just like Min Min after her popularity became evident.

And they still went with Byleth at the end of the day. Not Edelgard. I'd even go as far as saying Edelgard had a better potential chance than any non-Spring Man ARMS character because she's a major player in the game, being at worst the third most important character on the route that focuses on her the least, and literally having the main theme of Three Houses, Edge of Dawn, be about her.

If Edelgard didn't get picked over Byleth despite having a substantially good résumé, what chance does anyone BUT Spring Man have?

I would argue Byleth was likely selected because the story and prominent characters in Three Houses alters depending on the path you choose. The only character in the game with a prominent and consistent amount of screen time is Byleth, so of course they're going to select the character that players will be the most familiar with regardless of the story you choose. This fact that the user experience changes depending on the choices you make was mentioned in Byleth's presentation video, though not specifically alongside that it was part of the selection process. Either way, I'm pretty sure it's something Sakurai was considering when tasked with selecting a character from Three Houses to implement.
I don't feel this reasoning should act comparably for a character brought from a different kind of game, as you know ARMS is literally a traditional fighting game in every sense but the gameplay lol.
Without an overarching plot to consider, the character selection is generally pulled from the promotional or fan favorite characters.

I don't doubt Spring Man could happen because, duh, but I'm still banking more on Min Min or Ninjara myself.

 

[Cosmic77]

I'm pretty sure those additional slots were added just in case. Since they were found as early as January 2019, Sakurai probably didn't even have a definite answer as to whether or not there would be a second pass.

I don't think they indicate a specific number of characters. Better to add more than what you need than to go back a second time and add more.

 

[MisterHollywood]

It also tides us fans over and keeps people talking about Smash as well.

Mewtwo was a unique situation, he was revealed early because Nintendo chose to use the character as a means to incentivize people to buy both the 3DS and Wii U versions. If you recall getting both versions got you free early access to Mewtwo. The extra potential sales was more important to Nintendo than waiting to reveal Mewtwo with a trailer.

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Bro we gonna be talking about Smash regardless. Terry was revealed in September with no gameplay and people were talking and complaining and speculating about him all the way until his reveal, that's always going to happen

I'm pretty sure those additional slots were added just in case. Since they were found as early as January 2019, Sakurai probably didn't even have a definite answer as to whether or not there would be a second pass.

I don't think they indicate a specific number of characters. Better to add more than what you need than to go back a second time and add more.

I had a dream Makoto Naegi was revealed as Challenger Pack 7 why does reality love to **** me

 

[chocolatejr9]

I had a dream Makoto Naegi was revealed as Challenger Pack 7 why does reality love to **** me

Don't you mean it fills you with despair?

Get it? Your profile pic?

Nevermind...

 

[Koopaul]

The move is based on Wario's scatological personality and his general love for toilet humor as seen in numerous game manuals and promotional websites for many of his games, mainly for the Japanese market, as the Western market usually leaves out this trait of Wario's personality. One of the first instances concerning Wario and farting is the Japanese manual for Wario Land II, where Wario mentions that his Hot Wario reaction was not produced "because his fart caught on fire (taken from smash wiki)

Imagine basing a fighter's moveset on what was written in manuals and promotional material and not on, you know, what he does in his games!

 

[kirbsmash]

Imagine basing a fighter's moveset on what was written in manuals and promotional material and not on, you know, what he does in his games!

WarioWare: Smooth Moves microgame He Who Smelt It..., where Wario is seen constantly farting, forcing the player to waft the air by waving the Wii Remote side-to-side to win the game. Mario Strikers Charged released one year before Brawl, and it includes Wario farting as his Super Ability in that game. Named "Gas Mask!", Wario will fart and release a trail of toxic green gas behind him. (in short, yes he did it in games before and after brawl)

 

[Wiley]

i Still don’t get the decision to announce the series and not the character. Unless there’s a 2 in 1 reveal trailer I just don’t get it.

Quarantine or not. It’s not like we haven’t waited months before for news (pre Byleth was a crazy long dry spell) so why cut the hype... especially....... for Arms >_>

Welp, hope it’s Min Min,

and not the robot girl like I’ve heard in some leaks. Twintelle makes the most sense to me but the trailer said “Arms” not hair.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

i Still don’t get the decision to announce the series and not the character. Unless there’s a 2 in 1 reveal trailer I just don’t get it.

Quarantine or not. It’s not like we haven’t waited months before for news (pre Byleth was a crazy long dry spell) so why cut the hype... especially....... for Arms >_>

Welp, hope it’s Min Min,

and not the robot girl like I’ve heard in some leaks. Twintelle makes the most sense to me but the trailer said “Arms” not hair.

I keep saying the reason the ARMS rep wasn't revealed right away was probably due to COVID-19 that halted development or something.

Otherwise if not for that I'm certain they would had revealed the character. Still thinking Spring Man due to protagonist/mascot first and that he was considered for Base roster, so they might make his assist trophy an exception as there were no plans for an second pass at that time.

 

[Dark Bagel]

Anywhere between 28 to bleventeen days until Sakurai and Lola Pop personally come to my house and reveal to me that I was the true clown all along for getting my hopes up.

Anyway, SPRINGALING

B o Y o Y o Y i n g

I want her so much guys

 

[Michael the Spikester]

28 days until Sakurai and Lola Pop personally come to my house and reveal to me that I was the true clown all along for getting my hopes up.

Anyway, SPRINGALING

B o Y o Y o Y i n g

I want her so much guys

Make that 39, 46 or 53 more days.

 

[Twin Shot]

I’m guessing they announced the series to set expectations - first, it gave us some smash content in the Mini-Direct, second it keeps the audience from over reacting negatively like they encountered with Byleth.

 

[Cosmic77]

The most likely explanation is that the animated trailer for Spring Man wasn't ready yet, or they're doing a trailer similar to the Smash 4 trailers and Spring Man wasn't ready to be seen in action yet.

Mewtwo is the only DLC character who wasn't revealed in a proper trailer, so I don't think my idea is too farfetched.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I’m guessing they announced the series to set expectations - first, it gave us some smash content in the Mini-Direct, second it keeps the audience from over reacting negatively like they encountered with Byleth.

Don't you think all they're doing if its Spring Man be delaying the inevitable?

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

The objectively correct answer is none of those and we get Kiryu instead.

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We don't take Yakuza ignorance in this thread.

Listen to this man. He speaks gospel.

 

[Dutch Raikuna]

The objectively correct answer is none of those and we get Kiryu instead.

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We don't take Yakuza ignorance in this thread.

Listen to this man. He speaks gospel.

Well yeah he does.

Fighter: Kazuma Kiryu
Stage: Millennium Tower/Tour of Kamurocho
Fighter Specialty: Stance Change of Brawler/Beast/Rush and Dragon for standard attacks.

I've always pictured Yakuza as a dark horse pick, plus he was so wanted in Tekken (Seriously, how the **** did Noctis get chosen for it?) but didn't.
He's gotta be in there in some form. Yakuza is part of the reason why Sega is in their renaissance right now.

 

[SmashChu]

We could get another Western third-party, but it might take a while if things stay the way they are now. Above both Nintendo and Microsoft, fans are the ones most responsible for Banjo and Kazooie getting in Smash, as the extremely vocal support for the pair is likely what nudged the two companies to collaborate in the first place.

Now I'm not saying there aren't any popular third-parties. I just haven't seen any that come close to what Banjo had.

I think one problem is that it's Japanese people picking the DLC. Western series don't always get the same appreciation as in Japan. DOOM is a legacy game over here but it really isn't in Japan. So Nintendo and Sakurai aren't going to see DOOM the same way we do. This is the practical reason why the guest characters have been from Japanese games. It also helps that Banjo's biggest games were published by Nintendo and likely got more exposure in Japan than a lot of Western games.

Actually, all of the characters made outside Japan have been from Nintendo. May mean nothing but food for thought.

 

[SNEKeater]

Well yeah he does.

Fighter: Kazuma Kiryu
Stage: Millennium Tower/Tour of Kamurocho
Fighter Specialty: Stance Change of Brawler/Beast/Rush and Dragon for standard attacks.

I've always pictured Yakuza as a dark horse pick, plus he was so wanted in Tekken (Seriously, how the **** did Noctis get chosen for it?) but didn't.
He's gotta be in there in some form. Yakuza is part of the reason why Sega is in their renaissance right now.

I'm not so sure but Tekken 7 still has more DLC in development, right? I always see Kiryu being requested for Tekken 7 on Twitter and Youtube lol. I think it's up to Namco because I don't think Sega would be against it, honestly.
Yakuza's OST is great. But what amazes me is that the music of the series would fit Tekken insanely well. Then you have Kiryu, which would be a perfect brawler for Tekken, and you have a super natural fit for the series.

Granted, I didn't played Tekken 7 so maybe some things like the music style have changed.

 

[Dinoman96]

Actually, all of the characters made outside Japan have been from Nintendo. May mean nothing but food for thought.

This is true. Basically all of the foreign made playable fighters and assist trophies come from games that were published by Nintendo at some point, in some part of the world.

Donkey Kong Country (Diddy, K. Rool, Klaptrap)
Banjo-Kazooie (Banjo & Kazooie)
Star Fox Adventures (Krystal)
Metroid Prime (Dark Samus)
Art Academy (Vince)

There's also Shovel Knight, who, as I've said before, had his game originally published by Nintendo in Japan.

 

[TheCJBrine]

I don’t think it matters if Western characters were published by Nintendo in Japan at least at some point, we still have Western content that isn’t from games they’ve published but have acknowledged/seemed to like. It’s not like they own said games nor does it make it much easier to get past barriers, either, especially in Banjo & Kazooie’s case.