Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Michael the Spikester]

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Yep I figured much it'd be Scorpion and no one else. After all he is on the Neatherrealms Studios logo as is Nightmare with the Soulcalibur series.

Why were those two even a debate to begin with again?

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

I’m still sitting here in May and scratching my head while asking “ARMS? Why?”

Yeah, I wanted ARMS back during launch but Jokerherobanjoterry spoiled me.

Also, from a moderator standpoint, the idea that Assist Trophies could possibly be promoted fills me with dread and fear due to the sudden surge of “WE HAVE A CHANCE AGAIN!!!” posts and threads.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I disagree. Spring Man would be the MOST hype, as he would single-handedly break the Assist Trophy argument for DLC.
He'd probably also have alts for Ribbon Girl, Ninjara, and Min Min, so everyone's happy.

That doesn't mean we'll get other ATs promoted too though. Would it still be exciting if after all this, Spring Man was the only AT to get promoted as DLC? Of course not, getting Spring Man doesn't mean we'll get Zero, Alucard, Shovel Knight, Rodin, Dillon, Takamaru, Isaac, etc

I get your concerns but bro you’ve got like PTSD or some ****. You’re saying Nintendo always disappoints so you’re speculating the character has to be the absolutely worst / most disappointing possible option, always. It’s hilarious yeah, but that doesn’t mean it’s always going to happen. I’m keeping my expectations low because I know how Nintendo can be just like you do, but it never guarantees anything

Hey, if I'm expecting the worst outcome possble, it's less disappointing if it's true and more exciting if I'm wrong

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

If it’s Spring Man I’m pretty sure the salt about people’s favorites not getting upgraded would happen anyway. but just to look at your argument, if it just ended up being springman right, they could’ve just announced springman and then announced the 10 day free trial and I’m sure it would’ve had the same effect. Idk why keeping the character a mystery would generate a different effect. If the goal is to get people into arms again, both work. And if you’re gonna say they wanted to get people taking about ARMS for a hot minute, showing off Springman without his moveset would do the job just fine as well.

look, I’m not saying it’s not springman, I think he’s actually incredibly likely, but he’s not 100% the arms character imo

Doesn't the argument work for literally every ARMS character though?

If it's Min-Min, why not just say it? Twintelle? Why not just say it?

It's irrelevant. The idea was to get folks talking more about ARMS, because Smash speculation, when targeted, can be a boon for drawing interest in a game. The reveal itself doesn't point toward any singular character more than another.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I disagree. Spring Man would be the MOST hype, as he would single-handedly break the Assist Trophy argument for DLC.
He'd probably also have alts for Ribbon Girl, Ninjara, and Min Min, so everyone's happy.

As what Cutie Gwen said. Spring Man could possibility be the only assist promotion for all we know and it'd make sense given he was considered for Base back when there were no plans for an Season Pass 2. Not to damper your hopes up or anything.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Question: if we were getting a pure SEGA-created rep (as in, not created by Platinum Games, like or ATLUS, like ), who would you rather have: Sakura Shinguji from Sakura Wars, or Axel Stone from Streets of Rage?

I don't have a connection to either character. Couldn't even tell you what Axel looked like. Just give me the one that would be the most fun to play.

He'd probably also have alts for Ribbon Girl, Ninjara, and Min Min, so everyone's happy.

Not everyone.

That doesn't mean we'll get other ATs promoted too though. Would it still be exciting if after all this, Spring Man was the only AT to get promoted as DLC? Of course not, getting Spring Man doesn't mean we'll get Zero, Alucard, Shovel Knight, Rodin, Dillon, Takamaru, Isaac, etc

Yes, because I like Spring Man.

 

[MisterHollywood]

Doesn't the argument work for literally every ARMS character though?

If it's Min-Min, why not just say it? Twintelle? Why not just say it?

It's irrelevant. The idea was to get folks talking more about ARMS, because Smash speculation, when targeted, can be a boon for drawing interest in a game. The reveal itself doesn't point toward any singular character more than another.

You misunderstanding me cap. This IS the point I’m making. It doesn’t matter who the ARMS character is, it would have the same effect, so there’s no reason why it has to specifically be Springman.

That doesn't mean we'll get other ATs promoted too though. Would it still be exciting if after all this, Spring Man was the only AT to get promoted as DLC? Of course not, getting Spring Man doesn't mean we'll get Zero, Alucard, Shovel Knight, Rodin, Dillon, Takamaru, Isaac, etc

Hey, if I'm expecting the worst outcome possble, it's less disappointing if it's true and more exciting if I'm wrong

That’s perfectly fine, but you should understand why I believe the things I believe. I think it’s between Springman and Min Min (and I personally want Min Min) but Max Brass would be dope

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Yes, because I like Spring Man.

*sigh* would the possibility of more promoted ATS as DLC be exciting if Spring Man was the only one after Ultimate's wrapped up development?

You misunderstanding me cap. This IS the point I’m making. It doesn’t matter who the ARMS character is, it would have the same effect, so there’s no reason why it has to specifically be Springman.

That’s perfectly fine, but you should understand why I believe the things I believe. I think it’s between Springman and Min Min (and I personally want Min Min) but Max Brass would be dope

I fail to see how being pessimistic about a single character means disagreeing with you on your stance, especially when I haven't seen what you believe in so much

 

[MasterOfKnees]

That doesn't mean we'll get other ATs promoted too though. Would it still be exciting if after all this, Spring Man was the only AT to get promoted as DLC? Of course not, getting Spring Man doesn't mean we'll get Zero, Alucard, Shovel Knight, Rodin, Dillon, Takamaru, Isaac, etc

If nothing else it'd still be cool to have the precedent be set for future Smash games' sake. Of course the circumstances are a bit specific (AT promotions are possible, but only when we get to the second DLC season), but it's at least enough for people to keep supporting their most wanted characters even if they get AT'd or something else in the base game. There are a fair few characters I'm certain would have much more demand, and as such a better chance, if there still was some belief in them after they got stuffed into that trophy.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

If it’s Spring Man I’m pretty sure the salt about people’s favorites not getting upgraded would happen anyway. but just to look at your argument, if it just ended up being springman right, they could’ve just announced springman and then announced the 10 day free trial and I’m sure it would’ve had the same effect. Idk why keeping the character a mystery would generate a different effect. If the goal is to get people into arms again, both work. And if you’re gonna say they wanted to get people taking about ARMS for a hot minute, showing off Springman without his moveset would do the job just fine as well.

look, I’m not saying it’s not springman, I think he’s actually incredibly likely, but he’s not 100% the arms character imo

This is really why I'm leaning Springo with alts.

If it were Springo, or Min, or whoever, they would have just given us a "Springman springs into battle!" or whatever puntastic tagline goes with that. Why keep the suspense?

But if they mashed a bunch of them together into alts, then it's a little harder to just drop "Springman's Smash DLC! And so is Ribbons! And so is Min! And so is Ninjara!" There it'd make sense for them to give nothing but an "ARMS is coming!" and leave it at that.

...or they are putting in a character we don't know yet as a super promotional thing, but I don't want to think about that.

 

[Cosmic77]

False. I hate him. I dunno if he's better in the DLC, but from what I've seen of him he has 0 redeeming qualities. I mean, you go to save him, and he's all like "This would be cake for me if I was alive, but I suppose you might be able to help me out." Like, dude. You're dead. Drop the attitude or I'll leave you in Gannon goop.

You get to learn a little more about Revali in the DLC. Compared to the other three Champions, he's the most serious about training, partially because he's the only one who doesn't have a special talent he inherited from birth. He forces himself to perfect his archery and Revali's Gale move to a point to where it's almost torture because he hates being seen as weak. That's part of the reason why he dislikes Link. He feels as if people don't consider him strong enough to beat Calamity Ganon (which was correct in the end).

Mipha is still my favorite, but I don't think enough people understand Revali like the developers intended. Still, love him or hate him, he'd be a great Smash character.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I don't have a connection to either character. Couldn't even tell you what Axel looked like. Just give me the one that would be the most fun to play.


Not everyone.


Yes, because I like Spring Man.

For the record this is what Axel looks like:

Trucker Ken.

 

[MisterHollywood]

*sigh* would the possibility of more promoted ATS as DLC be exciting if Spring Man was the only one after Ultimate's wrapped up development?

I fail to see how being pessimistic about a single character means disagreeing with you on your stance, especially when I haven't seen what you believe in so much

I’m just saying being pessimistic isn’t an argument

 

[Perkilator]

For the record this is what Axel looks like:
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Trucker Ken.

In Streets of Rage 4, anyways. Here’s what he looked like in the older games:

 

[TechPowah]

I'm almost certain they announced the ARMS DLC the way they did as a pre-season teaser, just like Joker

it's not some big conspiracy about Nintendo trying to intentionally misdirect people, or whatever people might think
just some extra promo for Smash
nothing more, nothing less

 

[Guynamednelson]

I'm almost certain they announced the ARMS DLC the way they did as a pre-season teaser, just like Joker

it's not some big conspiracy about Nintendo trying to intentionally misdirect people, or whatever people might think
just some extra promo for Smash
nothing more, nothing less

Yeah, I believe the only reason they didn't specify the ARMS rep was not to make it a mystery, but because the trailer wasn't complete (or complete up to the splash screen as we saw with Terry).

 

[MisterHollywood]

This is really why I'm leaning Springo with alts.

If it were Springo, or Min, or whoever, they would have just given us a "Springman springs into battle!" or whatever puntastic tagline goes with that. Why keep the suspense?

But if they mashed a bunch of them together into alts, then it's a little harder to just drop "Springman's Smash DLC! And so is Ribbons! And so is Min! And so is Ninjara!" There it'd make sense for them to give nothing but an "ARMS is coming!" and leave it at that.

...or they are putting in a character we don't know yet as a super promotional thing, but I don't want to think about that.

Whenever I bring up the idea of alts most people are like THEY DONT FIGHT LIKE EACH OTHER like smash every cares about that lmao. Look at Lucas, Ness, Joker, and a ton more examples. I think Springman with alts is very likely too but I don’t wanna get ****** by all 2 of the ARMS fan that wanna argue that they’re too unique for that

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Literally every character in SoR is more interesting than Axel

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Yep I figured much it'd be Scorpion and no one else. After all he is on the Neatherrealms Studios logo as is Nightmare with the Soulcalibur series.

Why were those two even a debate to begin with again?

Because the other characters aren't not strong contenders, and as such there would be reason to debate on them. It's not a no contest situation.

Source: We're debating about them.

*sigh* would the possibility of more promoted ATS as DLC be exciting if Spring Man was the only one after Ultimate's wrapped up development?

Still yes. You just have to wait until the next game for it to be a thing just like normal.
EDIT: And just not dealing with the rule going forward in general seems to be something that would please people greatly.

For the record this is what Axel looks like:
Trucker Ken.

First two thoughts:
"Well dang...He cool."
"Heh heh. Mustard beard."

In Streets of Rage 4, anyways. Here’s what he looked like in the older games:

"Not nearly as cool."
"No mustard beard though..."

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I’m just saying being pessimistic isn’t an argument

I'm not using my pessimism in Spring Man as an argument though? I really don't get what you're saying

If nothing else it'd still be cool to have the precedent be set for future Smash games' sake. Of course the circumstances are a bit specific (AT promotions are possible, but only when we get to the second DLC season), but it's at least enough for people to keep supporting their most wanted characters even if they get AT'd or something else in the base game. There are a fair few characters I'm certain would have much more demand, and as such a better chance, if there still was some belief in them after they got stuffed into that trophy.

Ok but again, it doesn't guarantee more will follow, even in other Smash games, so I won't get excited solely because of something that may literally never happen again after the fact

 

[Cosmic77]

Whenever I bring up the idea of alts most people are like THEY DONT FIGHT LIKE EACH OTHER like smash every cares about that lmao. Look at Lucas, Ness, Joker, and a ton more examples. I think Springman with alts is very likely too but I don’t wanna get ****** by all 2 of the ARMS fan that wanna argue that they’re too unique for that

I've played ARMS, and I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Min Min becomes an alt.

ARMS only gives you three ways to attack alongside two special abilities, so of course anything that separates characters would feel like a big deal. Smash has far more options than that though, so the things that normally feel crucial to an ARMS character will suddenly seem unimportant. At least that's how I see it.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

From what I’ve seen, the only time the reveal graphic for an ARMS character has been used in any capacity was to say, “It’s not Spring Man!”

At least, I’ve never used that as evidence to say, “But IT IS Spring Man!”

I guess maybe I’m just not understanding what anybody is talking about anymore lol.

 

[MisterHollywood]

I'm not using my pessimism in Spring Man as an argument though? I really don't get what you're saying

Ok but again, it doesn't guarantee more will follow, even in other Smash games, so I won't get excited solely because of something that may literally never happen again after the fact

Wait, what ARE you saying?

I've played ARMS, and I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Min Min becomes an alt.

ARMS only gives you three ways to attack alongside two special abilities, so of course anything that separates characters would feel like a big deal. Smash has far more options than that though, so the things that normally feel crucial to an ARMS character will suddenly seem unimportant. At least that's how I see it.

This is what I think too. It's really about the extended arms and the attached gloves right? So theoretically they could all fight the same, even if some have certain abilities like Ribbon Girl's extra jump (which the character would have anyway)

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Question: if we were getting a pure SEGA-created rep (as in, not created by Platinum Games, like or ATLUS, like ), who would you rather have: Sakura Shinguji from Sakura Wars, or Axel Stone from Streets of Rage?

Axel Stone hands down! He is one of my most wanted characters! If he gets into the second Fighter pass, I hope he comes with the music Dreamer and Under Logic. Two of my favourite tracks from the game!

 

[SNEKeater]

Literally every character in SoR is more interesting than Axel

Whatever but if Streets of Rage manages to get a character in Smash it will be Axel and you know it.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Wait, what ARE you saying?

This is what I think too. It's really about the extended arms and the attached gloves right? So theoretically they could all fight the same, even if some have certain abilities like Ribbon Girl's extra jump (which the character would have anyway)

I'm saying that I'm expecting it to be Spring Man due to that being the worst possible option to tease for 3 months in my eyes to minimize my own disappointment and that if he's indeed in that it doesn't guarantee ATs I like getting promoted too

 

[Michael the Spikester]

If Spring Man does get alts. I'm expecting the Hero treatment as there aren't eight characters who could fit Spring Man's dimensions and proportions.

I would expect Ribbon Girl, Ninjara and Minmin in this case.

 

[Wunderwaft]

Literally every character in SoR is more interesting than Axel

Don't diss my boy Axel like that or I'm gonna have to Grand Upper you.

 

[MisterHollywood]

I'm saying that I'm expecting it to be Spring Man due to that being the worst possible option to tease for 3 months in my eyes to minimize my own disappointment and that if he's indeed in that it doesn't guarantee ATs I like getting promoted too

And I'm saying that's cool and all, but your pessimism shouldn't get in the way of my realism

 

[Garteam]

I'm also on team "Spring Man, but with a surprise", but I don't think it's gonna be "Surprise! An Assist Trophy got upgraded!". Sakurai and his team don't really pay that much attention to speculation beyond what happened in the ballot. To us, the people who have spent a year+ of our lives arguing whether or not Assist Trophies were eligible for Smash DLC or not, it's a big deal that Assist Trophies can promoted. However, I don't think most people really look into it that deeply. With Dragon Ball FighterZ giving Android 17 a DLC spot while being an assist for Android 18 and MvCI holding multiple story mode NPCS hostage as DLC, the idea of a non-playable character in a base fighting game really isn't that earthshattering to most people.

I instead think the big selling point for Spring Man will be Ribbon Girl, Ninjara, and Min Min serving as his alt costumes. All 4 are popular and appear frequently within the game's marketing material while also having similar stats and body types. Plus, it would make sense that Nintendo would emphasis the "Who could it be?" angle when multiple characters get in, seeing how they did something similar by revealing "Everyone is Here!" by easing into it like they were showing off the first wave of vets.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

This is my only actual exposure to Axel, I've never played his home series

 

[PsySmasher]

My take on the whole ARMS situation:

I think it’s way too early to jump to conclusion and say it’s 100% Spring Man or 100% not Spring Man

Especially since all we really have is a picture with every character on the roster and a tagline saying the ARMS character’s arms can extend (which is literally everyone lol)

Although I rather it not be Spring Man because it would be disappointing (for me) to go with the most basic character on the roster instead of someone a bit more unique, especially since they literally showed the full roster off. And while the concept of AT/spirit upgrades is interesting, it’s not a guarantee for the future by any means if he gets in.

I also dislike the idea of alts because these characters do have differences and don’t necessarily play the same way. And by simplifying them down to one slot, while providing more characters, also kinda takes away the character specific stuff that comes in the actual game.

But yeah those last 2 paragraphs are just my personal opinion. Basically what I trying to say is: it could be anyone (including Spring Man) but with how little we actually know, I do not think we should be calling anyone a 100% lock, not even close.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

And I'm saying that's cool and all, but your pessimism shouldn't get in the way of my realism

It... Isn't effecting anything though? I fail to see how a random woman on the internet can shatter reality by expecting Nintendo to hype up a mystery that everyone already expects the answer to

 

[RetrogamerMax]

It looks like the N64 and Wii source codes have been leaked as well as other major Nintendo stuff. Season Pass 2 characters incoming?!

 

[MisterHollywood]

It... Isn't effecting anything though? I fail to see how a random woman on the internet can shatter reality by expecting Nintendo to hype up a mystery that everyone already expects the answer to

I'm just saying it kinda gives me the vibe that you're arguing against my points. Which you aren't, you'e just sharing your opinion, but I guess the way it was presented made it seem like it was arguing

 

[Will]

It looks like the N64 and Wii source codes have been leaked as well as other major Nintendo stuff. Season Pass 2 characters incoming?!

>specifically N64 and Wii leaks
>Season Pass 2 incoming?!

Oh wow dude, can't wait to get those sick Brawl DLC leaks

 

[TheCJBrine]

It looks like the N64 and Wii source codes have been leaked as well as other major Nintendo stuff. Season Pass 2 characters incoming?!

Flake from Mirror House Cornflakes should be in Smash.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

>specifically N64 and Wii leaks
>Season Pass 2 incoming?!

Oh wow dude, can't wait to get those sick Brawl DLC leaks

I guess the word "Source code" went by you. We potentially could see the Season Pass 2 fighters get leaked.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

If it’s Spring Man I’m pretty sure the salt about people’s favorites not getting upgraded would happen anyway. but just to look at your argument, if it just ended up being springman right, they could’ve just announced springman and then announced the 10 day free trial and I’m sure it would’ve had the same effect. Idk why keeping the character a mystery would generate a different effect. If the goal is to get people into arms again, both work. And if you’re gonna say they wanted to get people taking about ARMS for a hot minute, showing off Springman without his moveset would do the job just fine as well.

look, I’m not saying it’s not springman, I think he’s actually incredibly likely, but he’s not 100% the arms character imo

Revealing who the character is early on would remove the excitement of the eventual trailer, and without the mystery of who the character is, there wouldn’t be as much discussion as their is now.

Also, assuming it is Spring Man, people aren’t going to be as upset with the reveal as they would if Nintendo got people’s hopes up first for other AY characters first.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Damn...So much for remaining DLC to staying an surprise...

Nintendo better send their ninjas soon if they don't want any leaks occurring.