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Sure, I'll do one tonight.I want in on this, as well.
Star, could you possibly make a K. Rool banner as well, please?
You do realize I just created a Saki Amamiya alliance (Ruffians Forever) right?
K Rool banner?! Amazing! Sign me up for the Krew immediately. I'll prolly make a Layton alliance when I'm not so goddamn busy.
Not sure how to make them clickable.
Yeah sure. K Rool is my top pick for Smash anyways and I am most familiar with him out of all the characters I support.
It's probably the latter. The Ice Climbers were simple, since both Popo and Nana utilized the exact same moves. That wasn't the case for Diddy and Dixie, which would make setting up their duo moveset more tedious.
So you saying it would had made it more tedious for Sakurai to buiid a moveset based on a Dixie/Diddy duo tag?
In my opinion, Diddy and Dixie appearing in one game together is used as an excuse by Dixie fans to include her, as they are aware K. Rool has priority for the third slot.
I have yet to decide on which Hoenn Pokemon to really "go after". It's either going to be Pokemon Trainer May (Blaz, Grov, Mud) or Deoxys. I still need help deciding. I'm very torn. But in general, I'm just supporting Hoenn's inclusion. Like getting a possible Hoenn stage. That would be something I also support.
That's sort of why I'm doing this.
It's too late for that, unless SOMEHOW we got 3rd gen remakes before they enter development in october.
I didn't laugh.
Yay, someone used my SSB4 opening!
The Wario series is only complete if Wario gets his moveset changed to reflect Wario Land more. Otherwise, it's not complete without Captain Syrup, IMO.
I disagree with this list of veterans in a couple of places.
Very solid roster. I think everyone would be satisfied with this roster. Out of curiosity, I made a roster based on what so far what I have seen debated to be the most likely to happen and what I find to be reasonable.
It is 48 (52) characters overall. About 12 Newcomers. 6 characters are either Wii U or 3DS exculsive, and may become DLC for the opposite system. So 45 per system to begin with.
To avoid flamming, many characters that I feel are a stale-mate in debates (often due to flamming) I made like this:
Ex. Bowser Jr./Paper Mario/Toad - based on SSBF's ratings poll, the former being more likely to happen, in this case Bowser Jr.
Super Mario Series:
Zelda Series:
- Mario
- Luigi
- Peach
- Bowser
- Bowser Jr./Paper Mario/Toad
Kirby Series:
- Link
- Zelda + Sheik
- Ganondorf
- Toon Link
Metroid:
- Kirby
- Meta Knight
- King Dedede
Pokemon Series:
- Samus + Z.S. Samus
- Ridley
Star Fox Series:
- Pikachu
- Pokemon Trainer (Red) (Squritle + Ivysaur + Charizard)
- Jigglypuff
- Zoroark/Victini or Lucario/Mewtwo
- Zoroark/Victini or Lucario/Mewtwo
Spin-Off Mario Series:
- Fox
- Falco
- Wolf
F-Zero:
- Yoshi
- Wario
Earthbound/Mother Series:
- Captain Falcon
Donkey Kong Series:
- Ness
- Lucas
Fire Emblem Series:
- D.K.
- Diddy Kong
- King K. Rool
Other:
- Marth
- Ike (FE10 Style)
- Caeda/Black Knight
Retro:
- Olimar
- Pit
- Medusa/Palutena (3DS)
- Issac (3DS)
- Saki (Wii U)
- Little Mac (Wii U)
- Ray (3DS)
- Mii
3rd Party:
- Ice Climbers
- Takamaru (Wii U)
- R.O.B.
- Mr. Game & Watch
*Ryu H. has a good chance with the new Team Ninja and Nintendo dealings with Other M and the Metroid stage in DoA 3DS, he also has a good history with Nintendo with games on the NES, SNES, VC, DS, 3DS. He also has yet to be debated or rated.
- Snake (Old Snake)
- Sonic
- Mega Man (Classic)/*Ryu Hayabusa
Thoughts?
I agree with the changes to Mario. Luigi should use his Poltergust for his grabs; he’d keep his Down-B and he would replace the only full group of moves Mario and Luigi still share. Not sure where the idea for the lightning-based abilities come from, honestly.
I was among those who were ******* upset, disappointed, and furious at the lack of Wario Land representation.This is Captain Syrup, the antagonist of the Wario Land series:
I believe a lot of Wario Land fans were upset with how the series got NARY A REFERENCE in Brawl. I recall seeing Wario movesets using his powerups from the Wario Land games. In order to have both a nod to WarioWare AND Wario Land, I figure adding Captain Syrup with Wario's moves from the Wario Land series would be a good idea. DON'T WANT HER FOR THE SAKE OF BEING A TOKEN FEMALE VILLAIN. I'm looking at you, Medusa.
Also the Melee air dodging was so bad. Brawl's air dodges feel much more natural.
It’s the perfect WTF Nintendo item. I don’t’ know why it’s not in Smash Bros. already.I found an interesting Item that should be added to Smash. Nintendo's Ultra Hand!
It would give a person a long distance grapple ability. This is like Link and Samus' grapple but it would reach out even farther. It can even be used for tether grabs as well.
I agree with this list with the veteran list with the exception that I’d replace Ganondorf with Wario, since the Wario series is deserving of it’s character representation.
Saved.I stumbled across this on google the other day and I had to post it...
How badass would that team be in Subspace Emissary 2? Eh?
Claus-Black Knight-Meta Knight... sheer awesome.
I think two Star Fox characters is fine, as in Melee, but three is starting to overload the franchise with characters. Honestly, I don’t mind seeing Wolf go – some of his unique moves could be transferred over to Falco, further de-clonifying Falco, and we would have one additional character slot for someone else, preferably a new franchise.
Obviously, Jiro’s inclusion depends partially on the success of his game, but if the game performs well, I think Jiro would be a great candidate for an SSB4 character.
*feels nauseous at sight of roster*
Hmm.. It seems the majority of the fans here hate the idea of a Shadow Mario moveset, hmm.. Interesting to learn, I wonder if any Bowser Jr. supporters think the same, looking and imagining Oasis's ideas made me realize that he has much more potential to be unique moveset wise that is.Shadow Mario’s one major game appearance has passed. Bowser Jr. in his normal form remains relevant to the Mario series; Shadow Mario, not so much.
I don’t see the appeal of Shadow Mario anyways. Sounds like a rip-off of Zelda and Sheik’s transformation move, IMO.
I like Bowser Jr. more than Toad and Paper Mario, but Toad is more deserving and Paper Mario has far better moveset potential. It’s pretty much a tie between which Mario character I want in SSB4. I think the series is deserving enough to merit two new reps, but that’s unlikely.
It’s good. I think Black Shadow is the best choice for a new F-Zero rep; he takes Ganondorf’s old moveset, so old Ganondorf players are happy. Ganondorf gets a brand new moveset, so everyone else is happy. Takamaru’s originality isn’t chipped away by Samruai Goroh, so anti-new-sword-user-characters people and Takamaru supporters are happy.I was looking around online and now, it seems like Black Shadow has far overtaken Samurai Goroh as the most desired F-Zero newcomer. Seems like his popularity shot way up in Japan after F-Zero GP legends Anime made him a infamous villain. I'd welcome it personally, Captain Falcon has always been a humorous, yet serious staple of Smash Bros. And the only original franchise since S64 to not receive a newcomer.
Black Shadow. I wanted to appease the discomfort Sakurai mentioned when he revealed why Ganondorf's moveset was not changed: he didn't want to alienate players. Now, I think we'd be hard-pressed to find Ganondorf mains since the Brawl-days, but it's a concern worth noting. So, as such, Black Shadow is a Luigified Captain Falcon with Ganondorf's old moveset lingering in there.
B- Bull Rush: This as around the same charge-time as Ganondorf's Warlock Punch, except Black Shadow hunkers down, and when released, he charges quickly forwards horns down. If it collides with an enemy it does massive damage. Sort of a Falcon Punch-Raptor Boost hybrid.
Bv- Shadow Stomp: Used on the ground, Black Shadow stomps the ground, letting out a dark aura which stuns enemies and does minimal damage. However, if used in air, it shoots him down about as fast as the Bowser Bomb but does significant damage. Different than Falcon Kick, but not too off.
B>- Black Void: Black Shadow creates an aura of Dark Energy and launches it ahead of him, puts enemies into Helpless state as they wriggle for a couple seconds. This is the biggest deviation, but really, it's needed because it's actually seen used in GX.
B^- Millenium Riser: Same as Ganondorf's Up-B except it has better recovery. If it snags an enemy it will meteor smash if in the air as Black Shadow clouds them with Dark Magic.
Bam, a luigified moveset that makes itself different enough
Thoughts?
I do think there were some trivial additions and changes to the minor featurrs of Smash Bros. that made me say: “Was this really necessary?”
If they bring back Coin Launcher, I have a couple ideas for it to increase the variety and make it more representative of Nintendo in general.
The Level Editor in Brawl was a boring and limited addition. If they bring it back, let us play around with some of the features we see in the normal stages. Using pre-set generic pieces was boring.
Masterpieces was a waste – just advertisement for the Virtual Console. Didn’t they actually have the full games on the disc, but just added time limits because they wanted you to buy the games yourself? If they’re brought back, at least let me play F-Zero for more than thirty frickin’ seconds, and play OoT for more than just five minutes.
Chronicle can be merged with Sticker and Trophy mode into one big Collection mode, IMO.
Now that you explain what the mechanics behind the Diddy/Dixie tag team would have worked like, I can actually see the originality behind the design. Although I think Diddy Kong doesn’t need changing and we don’t need four DK reps, I’d support a Diddy/Dixie tag team now much like I support King K. Rool.[/COLLAPSE]
Too bad that that backfired for Ganondorf, since he sucks real hard in Brawl. He was so much better in the Melee days.
Why, instead of a D & D team, Sakurai could provide 4 slots, it would be much simpler, and make much more sense!So you saying it would had made it more tedious for Sakurai to buiid a moveset based on a Dixie/Diddy duo tag?
Hmm.. Now I'm really curios to know how they would work as a tag if Sakurai were to revive the idea for Smash 4, I also want to see how their moveset would work, I am actually very interested to see this happening for the sole purpose of finding out this complication.
Of course, I still would like to see K.Rool regardless if that happens or not.
4 slots for DK would make much more sense! That's right!
Whoa... you planned to make a social group of the same name?
Do you really think DK NEEDS 4 slots? It's not about just "This game is popular/sells let's give them x amount of slots". It's also about representing the series. Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, and K. Rool is all we really need. There isn't really a reason to give Dixie her own slot when the DK series is represented just fine without her. She could take a space that Tom Nook/Ray MK could have had.
I think it's the opposite really. He was afraid to add King Dedede to SSB64 because he didn't want to over represent his own series. Really, we should have gotten Dedede in Melee, and Meta Knight in brawl. But he was probably still nervous that people thought he was going to say he's biased. I do agree that Donkey kong should have been finished already. Once we get Metroid, and Donkey Kong finished, other smaller fanchises have a chance to get in.
Donkey Kong - Main Character/Series Mascot
I hope you are really being sarcastic my good friend, REALLY!!
I agree with this idea. What I've been thinking about is that we should have a main hub for all the alliances in here and then branch out to other groups. For example, our main hub would branch out to Project Unova and Project Begnion and the main hub would support all groups.Shortiecanbrawl said:
Hoping for the best for this group, but I have a feeling this is going to be extremely difficult to accomplish and it would require the most attention for it to succeed.Shortiecanbrawl said:
Will be very interested to see how you juggle both alliances. My suggestion is for now, mainly focus on your Saki Amamiya group and if Saki gets in/Mega Man is confirmed to be playable, then push hard for Slime's inclusion.Starphoenix said:
JavaCroc said:
