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So is Tobi using another technique when he teleports or disappears to other places/realms?
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Actually, Kakashi realizes that Tobi is using one lol.Well, according to Kakashi, Tobi is using two jutsus, so it's probably kamui plus some illusion/clone technique.
Good point, but isn't it implied that Tobi can control spacetime? Could he have created a FFI-style time loop where he rescues his injured self from the past and takes him into the future where he trains for years and masters his mangekyo?I doubt Obito is Tobi, for one main reason - Obito is the same age as Kakashi, and both trained under the Fourth Hokage. If you remember, Tobi fought the Fourth, and Obito was just a child at the time.
Oh crap you're right. idk what I was thinking.Actually, Kakashi realizes that Tobi is using one lol.
If by this you mean the one who attacked Naruto's parents, then yeah that's another possibility. The Masked Man wasn't killed in that fight though and Madara was brought back with the resurrection jutsu, so when and how would Madara have died in between then if not while fighting the first or fourth hokage?Madara could have been the earlier Tobi.
Persona 4 mindgames right here!Maybe Tobi is the man at Ichiraku Ramen.
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I had to actually look up who Izuna was because I haven't heard that name in so long. It's possible that Izuna is Tobi, but both of Izuna's eyes were supposedly taken by Madara. Then again, we've been lied to about Uchiha history before...I think Uchiha Izuna is the most likely person to have the motive for being Tobi, but who knows, Tobi may not even be Uchiha although having both Sharingan and Rinnegan suggests blood of both Uchiha and Senju. Then again, claiming to be Uchiha can give you the respect and subsequently fear needed to control others.
Maybe Tobi is the man at Ichiraku Ramen.
Didn't HotArms make that joke last week? I'm glad we finally have an image for it though.
Haha yeah. Let's keep in mind though - Izuna was the only person on par with Madara. Tobi had acquired hundreds of Sharingan eyes before, what's to say Madara didn't take any other Sharingan and give them back to Izuna? (More on that in a later bit)I had to actually look up who Izuna was because I haven't heard that name in so long. It's possible that Izuna is Tobi, but both of Izuna's eyes were supposedly taken by Madara. Then again, we've been lied to about Uchiha history before...
Of course Tobi's Rinnegan isn't natural, Tobi had two Sharingan before using Izanagi during the fight with Konan before replacing the dead eye with a Rinnegan. Besides, Madara claims that the order is Sharingan -> Mangekyo -> Eternal Mangekyo -> Rinnegan, and he only achieved the Rinnegan shortly before his death. We have never seen Tobi go past default Sharingan, which could also potentially relate to Tobi not being Uchiha.Gates said:Also, I don't think Tobi's Rinnegan is natural. It's very unlikely that he has Uchiha and Senju blood, and the Rinnegan isn't natural to the Senju clan anyway.
There are still a million questions / holes - what is the scroll Suigetsu found from one of Orochimaru's hideouts? Is Tobi who Sasuke refers to as "the one who knows everything"? If not, who is? How would / will Tobi respond when he discovers Madara is still very much alive now?Gates said:I'm really starting to think that Tobi is not an already-established character. If he was, there would likely be some major plot hole that needed to be retconned in order for it to work.
Like I said, we've been lied to about Uchiha history before. A lot. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they turned out to be aliens.Haha yeah. Let's keep in mind though - Izuna was the only person on par with Madara. Tobi had acquired hundreds of Sharingan eyes before, what's to say Madara didn't take any other Sharingan and give them back to Izuna? (More on that in a later bit)
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Going off this, what stopped Madara and Izuna from faking the latter's death when Madara took Izuna's eyes? Maybe Izuna wanted revenge on Konoha like his brother did, especially after the First Hokage defeated Madara. Izuna would have then taken the dead Madara's EMS (since Sasuke got Itachi's dead eyes and Tobi got Nagato's dead eyes). Tobi then brought the Kyuubi to attack Konoha again, and was right on par with the Fourth Hokage and subsequently defeated, and later helped Itachi with the Uchiha massacre.
This however, does not explain the weakening of Tobi - why we've never seen Mangekyo / Susanm'o from him.
I don't see how this would be different from if Tobi was any other Uchiha. Madara is historically known to be one of the strongest ninja ever in the Naruto universe. He'd be a huge threat to Tobi's plans no matter who Tobi was. There's also the fact that by Kabuto revealing Madara's corpse to Tobi, he's threatening to expose him as a fraud and reveal to the five Kages that Tobi is potentially not as big a threat as he acts like. One of the biggest reasons he told the five Kages that he was Madara was probably to scare them into acting fast and making hasty decisions about going to war. I don't know how he'd benefit from this since they're still pretty well organized but his plans never made much sense anyway.Izuna would be the most afraid by seeing the dead Madara, since that's his older brother and just as strong - AKA the one who could potentially stop him if Kabuto betrayed Tobi. Also, Tobi didn't know about the workings of Edo Tensei because he never knew about it prior to his death, since the Second Hokage was the one who created the technique and I'm assuming Madara researched this (that's the only way Madara could have canceled the negation of Edo Tensei). Obito and Shisui would also be worried, but again, I doubt they're Tobi through motives and time relevance.
But did Nagato really know Madara or did he just know Tobi, who was claiming to be Madara at the time they were both in Akatsuki? I don't recall any evidence of Nagato knowing that Tobi was not Madara. There's also a considerable age difference between Nagato and Madara, so it's unlikely that they met before Nagato joined Akatsuki, especially since Madara was dead.It's referred that Tobi, Nagato, and Madara all knew each other at some point, which furthers the possibility of Izuna and disclaims Obito / Shisui.
Oh, I thought you meant natural Uchiha+Senju blood. If Tobi has done body experimentation (like every other villain in the series except Zabuza) then yeah I could see Tobi implanting Senju cells into his body.However, aren't there implications that Tobi has to have Uchiha and Senju blood? Danzo, a non-Uchiha non-Senju was able to use Izanagi through both implanted Sharingan and Senji DNA transplants, but could only do so for like a minute each. Tobi used Izanagi during the fight with Konan, and lasted for like...a while lol.
If by "soon" you mean within the next three months, I highly doubt it. We'll probably see Naruto, Kakashi, Guy, and Bee fight Tobi to the point where his mask comes close to breaking and then cut back to Madara fighting the five Kages or Team Sasuke and Orochimaru doing some homoerotic stuff.Hopefully we'll get the answers soon.
This just confirmed: Tobi is Aizen.Like I said, we've been lied to about Uchiha history before. A lot. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they turned out to be aliens.
Yeah, but even after the Allied Shinobi Forces discover that Tobi isn't Madara, the intel about Tobi's forces are still strong enough to cause problems. Like I said before, Tobi was most definitely faking as Madara is order for fear and authority.Gates said:I don't see how this would be different from if Tobi was any other Uchiha. Madara is historically known to be one of the strongest ninja ever in the Naruto universe. He'd be a huge threat to Tobi's plans no matter who Tobi was. There's also the fact that by Kabuto revealing Madara's corpse to Tobi, he's threatening to expose him as a fraud and reveal to the five Kages that Tobi is potentially not as big a threat as he acts like. One of the biggest reasons he told the five Kages that he was Madara was probably to scare them into acting fast and making hasty decisions about going to war. I don't know how he'd benefit from this since they're still pretty well organized but his plans never made much sense anyway.
True, but I still refer to the time relevance in terms of Obito and Shisui.Gates said:Also, you really need to get off this whole "motives" kick. This is the same series where a murderous sociopath became the beloved leader of a major country after the timeskip. Characters in the Narutoverse change motivation at the drop of a hat. It's perfectly possible for Obito to do a face heel turn and become an evil megalomaniac. It's not reasonable, but it's possible.
There's a considerable age difference between Madara and everyone lol but yeah that's something to keep in mind. I don't remember exactly but I recall Madara referring and talking about Nagato with Muu, but I'm too lazy to try and research that.Gates said:But did Nagato really know Madara or did he just know Tobi, who was claiming to be Madara at the time they were both in Akatsuki? I don't recall any evidence of Nagato knowing that Tobi was not Madara. There's also a considerable age difference between Nagato and Madara, so it's unlikely that they met before Nagato joined Akatsuki, especially since Madara was dead.
Nah, I don't even think there's a character in the series with natural Uchiha + Senju blood, excluding the Sage of Six Paths...and his two sons...wait...Gates said:Oh, I thought you meant natural Uchiha+Senju blood. If Tobi has done body experimentation (like every other villain in the series except Zabuza) then yeah I could see Tobi implanting Senju cells into his body.
Right. Perhaps Orochimaru will go see Madara and the five Kage and they can all have tea while they wait for Tobi to revive the Juubi.Gates said:If by "soon" you mean within the next three months, I highly doubt it. We'll probably see Naruto, Kakashi, Guy, and Bee fight Tobi to the point where his mask comes close to breaking and then cut back to Madara fighting the five Kages or Team Sasuke and Orochimaru doing some homoerotic stuff.
If by "soon" you mean by the end of the current story arc, I agree but I think this story arc is going to keep going for at least another year, probably more like two. Given how much is going on and how drawn out the fights are starting to get, I think Kishimoto is going to start taking a page from Kubo and pad out his story arcs more and more and not draw any backgrounds.
Okay, say it was Kagami, why would he have Obito's eye, what use would he need with a weak sharingan when his clan had much more powerful eyes to choose from & finally if Obito is in fact crushed & dead, how did he recovery the crushed eye?I honestly think that Tobi is none other then Kagami Uchiha. Not only does he have the same hair as Tobi but, his name "Tobi" Take the first 4 letters of his teams captain name which is Tobirama Senju, the Second Hokage. Not only that one of his closest friends be came the 3rd Hokage, Hiruzen Saratobi, the last 4 letters of that name make "Tobi". And let's not forget that he is the son of Madara Uchiha. He's like the only other Uchiha that was around to know anything about the Massacre of the Uchiha clan.
Just a little food for thought. I don't think it's Obito. Obito is dead.... Kagami on the other hand was never confirmed dead, he was only assumed dead...
easily the strongest theory i've come across, i've convertedTBH I'm going with the Saying Obito 5 times fast sounds like saying Tobi over and over again theory
Because otherwise the story would have no antagonist.uh
what's obito's motivation to hypnotise the world, again?
Very interesting.I honestly think that Tobi is none other then Kagami Uchiha. Not only does he have the same hair as Tobi but, his name "Tobi" Take the first 4 letters of his teams captain name which is Tobirama Senju, the Second Hokage. Not only that one of his closest friends be came the 3rd Hokage, Hiruzen Saratobi, the last 4 letters of that name make "Tobi". And let's not forget that he is the son of Madara Uchiha. He's like the only other Uchiha that was around to know anything about the Massacre of the Uchiha clan.
Just a little food for thought. I don't think it's Obito. Obito is dead.... Kagami on the other hand was never confirmed dead, he was only assumed dead...
My thoughts with this argument / theory.I honestly think that Tobi is none other then Kagami Uchiha. Not only does he have the same hair as Tobi but, his name "Tobi" Take the first 4 letters of his teams captain name which is Tobirama Senju, the Second Hokage. Not only that one of his closest friends be came the 3rd Hokage, Hiruzen Saratobi, the last 4 letters of that name make "Tobi". And let's not forget that he is the son of Madara Uchiha. He's like the only other Uchiha that was around to know anything about the Massacre of the Uchiha clan.
Just a little food for thought. I don't think it's Obito. Obito is dead.... Kagami on the other hand was never confirmed dead, he was only assumed dead...