Mewtwo Patch (Version 1.0.6[7]) Thread [Updated: May 1st]

[Kodystri]

Nothing balance related, but when Ness reflects something with bat, it now makes a bat sound. Confirmed on 3ds and wiiu

Confirmed.

 

[Illuminado]

Loving this guys. Making my work day procrastination so much better. Refreshing this thread repeatedly ftw :D. Wish I could be helping you all out with finding **** out . Keep up the good work.

 

[Macchiato]

It's harder to fall out of Zelda's usmash and fsmash

Wii Fit Trainer's Jab1 and Fsmash's hitboxes are bigger.

CONFIRMED

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

Are the cancel glitches still on lylat?

I was hesitant to report this as a change since it's too inconsistent in the first place to be sure, but I couldn't get Bowser jabbing to pop off the ground on Lylat at all. I think this may have been fixed.

 

[Thinkaman]

It's harder to fall out of Zelda's usmash and fsmash

Wii Fit Trainer's Jab1 and Fsmash's hitboxes are bigger.

CONFIRMED

Can you describe your methodology?

 

[Balgorxz]

falco full jab does 1% more
falco's uair does 2% more

 

[Newbarktown]

Not sure if it's been said, but I'm 99.9% sure Marth's uptilt is MUCH faster and his side tilt is a bit faster.

 

[S_B]

Bowser's flying slam MIGHT have more control now.

I tested it on an AI and either Bowser has more control or the AIs are happy to let you take them over the edge...

Needs human testing...

 

[HyperGumba]

Vs Bowser is listed first. Vs Bowser Jr. is listed second.

Mario
Fsmash - 14, 16
Dsmash - 10, 12
Usmash - 14, 16

Want to add a few values as well, just tested Mario on Bowser. Whenever I list two values like 6/8%, the latter is the sweetspotted hit.

FSmash sweet-spots at 17%
DSmash hits for 12% behind Mario
Jab does 2%, 1-2%, 4% in this order
DTilt 5%
FTilt 7%
UTilt 5%
Dash 6/8%
NAir 5/8%
FAir spikes at 14%, 12% if not
BAir 7/10%
UAir 7%
DAir hits six times still, 1%, 1%, 1%, 1%, 1%, 5% for a total of 10%
Pummel 3%
DThrow 5%
UThrow 7%
FThrow 8%
BThrow 11%
Fireball 4%, 5% at close range
Cape 7%
Super Jump Punch hits six times for 5%, 1%, 1%, 1%, 1%, 3% for a total of 12%
F.L.U.D.D. does 0% as always

Can't provide specifics on knockback, sadly.

How does this Mario compare to pre-update in terms of damage? I don't know the old stats.

 

[cFive]

http://www.twitch.tv/beefysmashdoods
frameperfect patch research (sorry for the bad quality cam, its the best we can do)

edit: live updated patchnotes:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uA94_Wtmm__VvlmAVvUukmjbjBDT-cTL-I37aYFdfJE/edit#

 

[Macchiato]

Can you describe your methodology?

Well before patch I used fsmash on ZSS it worked 4/10 times
After patch it worked 10/10 times

As for Wii Fit's Hitboxes

 

[Shaya]

I'll make some more updates now, so please bear with me but:

Relative consensus on no major changes:


notable confirms i haven't listed yet?
Inhale and Down Throw Changes
Jab change
Grab lag reduced
Sonic's everything, has someone got confirmed values/changes though?

 

[HeroMystic]

Haven't seen anyone speak of Mario, but I'll go ahead and confirm there has been no changes to him.

Also someone spoke about this before, but Vectoring is still in the game.

 

[Thinkaman]

Pac-man's grab endlag is unchanged.

 

[Shaya]

Form the Pac boards:
Pac-Man grab startup is much faster (tested)

Any confirm on this then?

 

[Balgorxz]

falcos perfect landing slide is still in the game

 

[LiamMail]

If this is true I may have to like, quit the game.
This in itself is one of the major reasons why I prefer Brawl's (and Smash 4s) engine over melee. It's just apart of how I use my moves... I NEVER ACTUALLY TILT and A... it's always c sticking things... just... can't..
ugh

how I do everything out of perfect pivots or dashes just got ruined pretty much.
So gg 5-6 years of tech skill !_!

believe or not I found out this way of inputting tilts a day ago, but now it got patched...

 

[Newbarktown]

Falcon is seems unchanged.

 

[Esquire]

This is a big one.

I can confirm on Mii Brawler that One Inch Punch is still in the game, BUT the knockback has drastically reduced on it, rendering it near impossible to KO with.

I am still working on Mii Brawler changes, which seems to include minor damage nerfs to specific moves (BAir, DAir sweet spot, etc). Will keep testing.

EDIT: As a quick impression, the knockback of both Piston Punch and Helicopter Kick as a base move has been unchanged, however.

 

[LostinpinK]

LM's walljump is now much higher. On SV, you can wall jump to the moving plateform.

 

[STGHMAAV]

Mewtwo has no customs according to people that have him.

Sorry, I forgot to say that I was using Mewtwo XDD
Also 100% confirmed no customs for Mewtwo, photos of the WiiU version

Spoiler

At the bottom it says: "Info about the special move (Can't be customized). To compare:

At the bottom it says: "Select a special attack" and as you can see, I only have one (the standard), so 100% confirmed

 

[Blue_Sunshine]

*sigh* CANNOT believe you can no longer, hold up or down on the control stick and use the C-stick for tilts, that's how I prefer doing tilts, I cannot get over this...

 

[CriticalxMiss]

Donkey Kong's wind-up takes significantly less time (2.72 seconds). Same number of wind ups, just faster animation. Still does 28 on full charge up and 10 no charge

 

[HeroMystic]

Vectoring still in the game? How?

Horizontal vectoring has always been in the game. Vertical vectoring is what was removed from the previous patch.

Holding up on the analog stick still increases knockback. (Mario's F-Smash kills Mario @99% at the respawn point of FD regularly. Holding up makes it kill earlier.)
Holding towards the stage reduces knockback. (Mario's F-Smash kills Mario @107% at the respawn point with this method.)

I've tested it and it's still in the game.

Edit: If you use a Vertical kill move (such as Fox's U-Smash), then holding down will do nothing. However holding away from Fox will allow you to live longer much like regular DI.

 

[kid craft 24/sonic master]

That also indirectly nerfed mega man due to not being.able to.hold metal blade while shooting pellets. That and the fact they nerfed sonics customs but not Villagers or donkey kongs when Those are the customs Everyone has been complaining About...

 

[Balgorxz]

That also indirectly nerfed mega man due to not being.able to.hold metal blade while shooting pellets. That and the fact they nerfed sonics customs but not Villagers or donkey kongs when Those are the customs Everyone has been complaining About...

sonic is better than them, you nerf characters not moves.

 

[TheZyzyva]

Testing Ness, only thing I'm seeing from the paste-bin values would be nerfs to his yo-yo. Cant get up or down smash to do the full amount, but that might be multi-hit values and I'm not connecting with every hit.
Back-throw does same damage, feels like possibly less knock back, but Im on the 3DS and I know the blast zones are different. Still the best throw by far.
Edit: The yo yo numbers Im getting are 12% in 3 hits for dsmash and 13% sweet spot usmash, 9% sour.

 

[Attila_]

I still get stuck under lylat as pit.

 

[Meloetta Star]

Not sure if it's just me, and sorry if it's been posted already..

Playing on 1.0.5 3DS and Mewtwo Patch Wii U.

Palutena's crouch seems to be alot faster.

My crouch taunt game is much more effective on the Wii U, though this might just be Stick vs circlepad.

 

[Yikarur]

You never had to jump cancel anyway.

 

[Chimera]

This thread will go more smoothly if people stop posting things they "feel" but haven't tested.

 

[Quickhero]

This thread will go more smoothly if people stop posting things they "feel" but haven't tested.

Honestly, I think people have learned from 1.04. There is a lot less "feels" in this thread and more discovery.

Sure, there are people that go by feels, but they will always be people like that, and it's fine. I think this is going fairly well. :3

 

[SapphSabre777]

I'm going to pitch in on some things and all that what not.



Confirming D-Throw does more damage (6 -> 10%)

Others may be placebo, so I'll let the others check, but...

Inhale may have less ending lag
Knockback for certain moves may be increased

 

[Rob_TH]

Dunno if someone has already tested it, but it seems like DK's custom 3 up b (the one that sucks you into the cyclone) has its windboxes fixed, you can no longer "spike" at 0% with it. Not confirmed, but I tested it with bots and never happened

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

: Someone mentioned about the Luma having less HP than before. Last I've checked, it had up to 52 HP.

 

[Rizen]

Fsmash with a throwing item in hand was patched out for all characters. Link can't bomb Fsmash anymore

 

[moofpi]

believe or not I found out this way of inputting tilts a day ago, but now it got patched...

Wait...what tilt thing got patched? This is important.

 

[Deleted member]

Does anyone know if the changes to Lylat's ledges also means that tethers will stop randomly failing on that stage (which usually happened when the stage was tilting)?

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

: Someone mentioned about the Luma having less HP than before. Last I've checked, it had up to 52 HP.

48 HP iirc
it's a small change but it's better than nothing

 

[Makorel]

I still get stuck under lylat as pit.

That only happens when the ledge is tilted down. works wonderfully otherwise.