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I don't think Mario's Utilt should move up; Mario's Utilt lock is very good but it doesn't have many uses outside that.
Because no one really has a bad Bair in Brawl. For many characters, Bair is one of their only redeeming quality. It's just a matter of whose has the least options.
It's not. Don't kid yourself.Marth fsmash is too good.
D3s downB KOs quite good, at 80-90% on some characters uncharged. Also, Gordos own .... hardcore.
Bowser's BAir is one of his best finishing moves... KO's Mario at 136% at the middle of FD in training mode.
Wow thanks for the good reasoning and debating skills. You totally change everyone's minds!
no way pika's is actuall pretty good.
rob's and pits allows them to chase a recovery themselves instead of with a lousy projectile that can be canceled out by almost any attack and usually aides recovery. pkt2 doesn't work on people who aren't idiots, and it sucks as a recoveryOnce Wario's Down B moves up, (and neutral B, the bite is amazing!)
Move Mario's utilt to the top of of it's tier, and Lucas down B moves down I will be happy with my pseudo secondaries.
All credibility gone right there
Now for my main. I actually think Ness dair should be on the top ten list. It's evolved from being a spike, it's become a good approach, and potential killer (sourspot) near the edge. Ness nair should be higher, It's certainly better than Ike's.
ikes nair has very good range and combos into jabs. Ness's does what?
I don't understand why Ness uair isn't on the list. It's like Wario's in every way, except it has less KO power by 10%! It should be one or 2 spots below Wario.
With Ness bair, I know it has massive competition, but I think it's better than Pit's in most ways.
u forgot that its slower and has zero range, and marios IS more powerful than that
KO's power difference is very little (Pit being slightly stronger)
Sweet spotting Pit's is much harder than sweet spotting Ness. Ness can do bair's in a SH, while Pit cannot.
It's just a better move overall.
Once again, pits has range priority, and power over ness's, while ness has the ability to do two in one shorthop? how does that work, and Pits is substantiallh stronger...
Now with Upthrows. Why is Lucas 4th and Ness not even there. They have the same Upthrow in retrospect, the only difference being Lucas does more damage and KO's earlier. I will concede that Lucas is better than Ness, but Ness should be over Link.
i cheched the Uthrow section for that answer. links does more damage and kills earlier, simple as that.
Ness Fthrow is better than Pikachu's. (from what I know Pikachu mains) It does decent damage. It doesn't CG, or lead into combo's though. And Ness' IS stronger in terms of %damage.
a chain throw is a pretty useful attribute.
PK Fire is vastly underrated with it's many techs, such as PK jump, (pseudo approach) it's retreat e.c.t. It's uses are multiple. I think it's better than Falco's, since it's only use is recovering.
Falco's needs to go, but not to make room for ness, whose is etremely punishable on shield for not much reward
Finally, why is Pit and Rob's Up B on the list? It's used solely for recovering. I actually think PKT should be there. A decent projectile, chasing an opponent recovering e.c.t. It can easily lead into a PKT2 which is why it's so versatile.
What are you talking about. Peach has a good bair.
Marth's F-Smash is his most punishable move on block, aside from D-Smash (though Marth can chain a D-Smash from a grab release). It barely has any shield stun at all, even when tipped. It's definitely one of his lesser moves due to having an incredibly big frame disadvantage.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwRwZD1h0WEhow come MK is second on uthrow? he cant combo out of it whatsoever, the only thing he can do with it is kill @ like 180%. -_- why is it even on on the list? and why is link even on the uthrow list, i dont think it can kill until ridiculous percents OR combo
Oh ouch. That is vicious.
It's good because of the super armour frames and as such a decent kill move. But yes, it does have poor range.
Hmm i usually find it has pretty nice knockback when you go connect with it, and it'll semi-spike enough to kill characters like Link, Mario and some teathers and sets up for fair KOs or dair gimps;Ivysaur's has about the same startup lag, does less damage iirc and has WORSE knockback
5:00 is when the stage is loading...what? lol
MKa uthrow dals 12 damage and kills before sonics
Watch it from 5:00 on. Its all ****.
all uthrows are trash , but lucas's is less trashy than most
Unless you're Olimar.all uthrows are trash , but lucas's is less trashy than most
yeah, and only 2/5ths of the time
neato, I like how you made it as a celebration of the 10,000 post
And after careful consideration...*drumroll*... I have decided that the characters aerial speed AND acceleration should be taken into account
Ok, but I'll get 50 legitly. I won't bring in outsiders.
Exactly. Fair is great against aerial but doesn't deserve to make it because its too easily shieldgrabbed. But bair has good "combo" ability, great range and speed, as well insane ability to DI with it.
YES!!!!!
