viparagon
Smash Ace
yeah, all those are pretty bad for recovery cept lucas's, but they all have lots of onstage usages
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Oh, right, I guess for non-recovery they're pretty good...
except Ike's. Its kinda hard to miss the "HUYAAAHHHH" as he comes down.
Phlemingo
Smash Ace
When listing the best jabs, you forgot about Wolf.
Rapid_Assassin
Smash Master
Where is uthrow and grab pummel on your list?
Also why is Kirby not one of the best dairs? It can meteor smash, is relatively fast, can lead to more consecutive hits, and harder to punish than most of the ones you have listed.
Also why is Kirby not one of the best dairs? It can meteor smash, is relatively fast, can lead to more consecutive hits, and harder to punish than most of the ones you have listed.
§leepy God
Smash Master
Wow, I thought Kirby's B was the best, but I guess people can't see that, lol. But the fact that Wario's up there and not Kirby's, lol.
But my thought's, Ike's F-Smash should be at least around the list, I would debate about that, but I'm too lazy right now.
But my thought's, Ike's F-Smash should be at least around the list, I would debate about that, but I'm too lazy right now.
Ussi
Smash Legend
6.peach
7.link
8.charizard
9.marth
10.ICs
How are those usmashes better than Ike's? His has the biggest hitbox coverage for any usmash there is and has a lingering hit box behind him during the move. Not only that, it has 20 IASA frames! Link's Usmash can be DI'd out and Charizard's too half the time. I know Peach's is stronger, but still, it's a small hitbox.
How does Pit have the best fsmash? You can DI out of the first hit. Zelda's fsmash can be DI'd out of too.
7.link
8.charizard
9.marth
10.ICs
How are those usmashes better than Ike's? His has the biggest hitbox coverage for any usmash there is and has a lingering hit box behind him during the move. Not only that, it has 20 IASA frames! Link's Usmash can be DI'd out and Charizard's too half the time. I know Peach's is stronger, but still, it's a small hitbox.
How does Pit have the best fsmash? You can DI out of the first hit. Zelda's fsmash can be DI'd out of too.
TP
Smash Master
Don't bother arguing about Pit's Fsmash. Viparagon got a bugged copy of Brawl in which that move has the range and strength of DDD's Fsmash, has the priority of MK's, the speed and super armor of Wario's, and 50 IASA frames that allows him to cancel it into a second Fsmash after the first hit, making an unstoppable chain.
Ussi
Smash Legend
I actually read that part of the thread after I posted that
I happened to beat an Olimar just spamming Lucario's fsmash xD
Pi
Smash Hero
Samus has a good F-tilt and U-tilt and D-tilt...
Psychoace
Smash Champion
Posting this for about the fourth time now, but all of Ice climbers grabs are better than anyones...
xoxokev
Smash Lord
Lucas' neutral air deserves to be on that list...
viparagon
Smash Ace
i havent even heard a general consensus for who's is better/who's is the best fsmash. I'vs heard pit, lucario, wario, lucas, and kirby, all of which arre in the top five. Even dk has been argued, but I cant see anyone reasonable argue that
viparagon
Smash Ace
Yeh, it gets complicated tho b/c all there grabs suck while they are alone with the exception of dthrow. While they do have best, its a function of the character, not the move, thati'm using. For example, jibblypuffs fair and bair are not on the list because as stand alone moves, they are not that great. However, combined with jigglys great horizontal airspeed and acceleration, they become much better.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Yeah but you have to factor her horizontal acceleration into it. It allows her to essentially create a wall (albeit much more easily broken down than melee) using those aerials and because her air speed is so great, she can DI away and use retreating aerials very very safely. I don't think fair should make the list but bair definitely should.
viparagon
Smash Ace
That means jigglypuff goes good with the bair, not that bair is neccesarily good.
Nontheless, I think the bair is pretty good... but everyone's best move is bair so....
viparagon
Smash Ace
...yeah at any rate, i'd be putting marios, falco's, and marth's bair on before jiggs...
Eh, their bairs are Ok, for racking damage and edgeguarding, but Jigglypuff's can do all of those plus WoP.
viparagon
Smash Ace
All of their bairs also have littles called range, damage, and speed while wop is an aspect of jiggs' body, rather than the move itself, As ive been explaining for the last 3 posts :\
brinboy789
Smash Champion
wtf why is MK's utilt even on teh list? the only thing it has is range(only upward, no side range AT ALL), it does medium-crap damage and is like one of his slowest moves
No, their bairs hit too high so they can escape eventually. Well, maybe not Mario's, but Falco and Marths couldn't WoP even if they had infinite jumps.
Gindler
Smash Champion
It's good if someone's directly above you? I honestly had no idea why one of the least used MK moves is even on the list.
Oh, Ivy's Bthrow is better than snakes...just sayin'
Oh, Ivy's Bthrow is better than snakes...just sayin'
brinboy789
Smash Champion
i dont like quoting myself, but jsut in case you missed it
jiggs bair is better then marths, falcos and marios arguably. marios can WOP, but not nearly as well as jiggs, especially since she has so many jumps
viparagon
Smash Ace
marths is disjointed as hell, and very powerful and easy to tip. falcos bair is an amazing edgegaurding tool, has a lingering hitbox, and is extremely fast. marios shoots him out very far, does 11 damage, combos, and IIRC doesn't stale. Jiggs WOP is a function of her aerial aceleration and movement speed, as I just said LIKE 2 POSTS AGO
brinboy789
Smash Champion
IMO the bair list is:marths is disjointed as hell, and very powerful and easy to tip. falcos bair is an amazing edgegaurding tool, has a lingering hitbox, and is extremely fast. marios shoots him out very far, does 11 damage, combos, and IIRC doesn't stale. Jiggs WOP is a function of her aerial aceleration and movement speed, as I just said LIKE 2 POSTS AGO
falco
jiggs
mario
marth
and so on. oh and respond to my MK utilt thingy. it sucks
viparagon
Smash Ace
its very fast and kills at 130
'nuff said. How iis jiggs better than mario'?
and it really doesnt matter since none of them make the list...
I think its faster and Mario's has bad landing lag.its very fast and kills at 130
'nuff said. How iis jiggs better than mario'?
and it really doesnt matter since none of them make the list...
brinboy789
Smash Champion
MK's bair sucks. are you kidding me? its like his slowest aerial move. i die a little on the inside every time im forced to use that move >_>. and its d3, not b3 lol.
viparagon
Smash Ace
Marios has like, NO landing lag! its essentially the same as luigi's, albeit a little slower, and it is faster, so both of your arguments fail
brinboy789
Smash Champion
viparagon take out MK's bair and utilt. bair is soooo slow, not even worth using. utilt only has decent verticle range. it has like no range to the sides, does mediocre damage and is slow in startup time and cooldowm time
Ok, I was kinda guessing on that one. I guess they're about the same.
viparagon
Smash Ace
ir doesn't need range to the side, its used when they are above you. none of mks attacks do very much damage, they are good for different reasons. the uptilt IS very fast, maybe not in comparison to the rest of then cast, but its still great. even tho bair is MK's worst aerial, it still is very fast, has good range, and has transended priority, allowing it to "slice" through everyone below it in the top ten.
cept jiggs is slower, has less "plunge", does less damage, doesn't combo, etc.
added uthrow! I know it sucks, I'm only adamant on the first 2...
brinboy789
Smash Champion
MK's utilt sucks. its only useful if you can perfectly time it through G&W's key >_> which is reaaaaaly hard btw. and it comes out slowly, almost rivaling fsmashes slowness. it has mediocre damage and has alot of cooldown time. DK's utilt is much better then MK's, it can juggle and comes out fast, WAY more range, probably more damage too.
bair... well i guess its "OK" but higher then marios and pits? put jiggs in, jiggs is amazing.
Kirby MK and pikas uthrow suck. well kirby and MK suck. they kill @ like 180%. they just look good ol, but arent that ogod. pika i dont think is that good, not sure though.
Gindler
Smash Champion
His Utilt really is near useless. It's alot like yoshi's just with kill potential (at like what 150% though), slower (mk slower?) and has less range (wtf, mk without range?), it's pretty worthless and when I see it actually used it always surprises me because MK just doesn't get the chance to ever.
Bair's pretty bad too, it has massive lag. Maybeot landing lag I don't think but i've seen some MKs suicide when they accidentally Bair off stage that's ridiculous aerial lag. I still think mario's is better, it has every good attribute except maybe it's average range but other than that it's just too much awesomer than MKs IMO.
Yeah, everyone's Uthrow sucks except Sonic's and Olimar with a purple pikmin...
Couple plugs I want to put in for my characters.
Zelda's utilt is the most powerful in the game. Not many people know that it has more power than even Snakes'. It comes out slow, but that much power dshould certainly make it top 10?
Links' utilt is also very good. Comes out fast, has great range on both of his sides and above him, combos into itself at lower percentages, and it kills fairly well.
Why doesn't Links dair get any consideration? That move alone makes Link safe whenever he's above his opponents. From a full-hop it can be auto-cancelled, the hitbox lasts forever, the knockback stays the same for the entire duration of the hitbox, does fantastic damage, is a lethal KO move, and is a great edgeguarding tool.
Zelda's utilt is the most powerful in the game. Not many people know that it has more power than even Snakes'. It comes out slow, but that much power dshould certainly make it top 10?
Links' utilt is also very good. Comes out fast, has great range on both of his sides and above him, combos into itself at lower percentages, and it kills fairly well.
Why doesn't Links dair get any consideration? That move alone makes Link safe whenever he's above his opponents. From a full-hop it can be auto-cancelled, the hitbox lasts forever, the knockback stays the same for the entire duration of the hitbox, does fantastic damage, is a lethal KO move, and is a great edgeguarding tool.
viparagon
Smash Ace
ok, i fized the list up...
ExCeL 52
Smash Lord
I agree with everything you have here....
But peach's up smash should be a little higher
But peach's up smash should be a little higher
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