Light actually does Ftilt to Usmash, trust me.
Also, Chain camping is overrated. Half of the cast doesn't care if you try and chain camp.
I haven't seen him use it.
You however are in Texas so I'll take your word for it.
The BEST possible ratio for this match is 50:50 and that is ONLY if the sheik can use the chain perfectly. Perfectly, as in does not allow MK inside no matter what. But if the MK isn't an idiot, he just won't approach and so it's a stale mate.
Take out the chain shenanigans, MK clearly wins in the head to head. I can see the match as 65:35, maybe 6:4 because she can kill so early through a grab.
also lol@ saviors saying neo etc doesn't use ftilt > up smash. it's her bnb kill and it's well used by all of them. ignorance.
I disagree.
We counter his Dair camping. U-tilt is disjointed and fast. We can easily shield> u-tilt.
We can also Chain if he is up diagnol and about to attack us.
If he tries to land on a platform we can attack through it with u-tilt or Uair. We can also back up a little bit and Chain.
This puts him on the ground. Sheik out speeds him and we can use the ground to our advantage with almost every character except maybe Diddy and Snake.
You said that Sheiks can't debate the matchup due to lack of experience, yet you wrote two ****ing pages on it and haven't been to a tournament? *****, please. Get that trash outta here. You're totally ****ing delusional if you think this match is ANY better than 6:4. Paper Sheik vs. paper MK? That's not how it works, buddy. Olimar would be banned if matchups were paper-based. But they're not, so he's legal and not even S tier. This is the first sign of you being dumb. Also, lol at you saying that certain (NOTABLE) Sheiks don't do bread-and-butter **** like ftilt to up smash.
MK outranges the **** out of Sheik. You said she has more ground speed. Yeah, she does. Barely means anything. MK can sit back and poke at Sheik's shield on ANY stage with ftilt and dtilt as he pleases and not fear punishment. What answer does Sheik have to dair camping? Full hop uair oos? Sorry, gets shut down by dair. She also gets miserably ***** by tornado, only having dair and nair to get through it (and lol at both of those, all MK has to do is move slightly to the side and the disjoints will eat the attack up. Once Sheik is forced to land (see: gets hit by any move), her options go from few to none. Tornado WRECKS her.
Grab release DACUS is cool, yeah, but why the **** is Sheik grabbing MK? Virtually everything MK does when spaced is safe, or at least ungrabbable. Maybe you'll get a lucky powershield on a dtilt or some ****, but who gives a ****? Her only setups into grab are from ftilt/jab, attacks which MK can EASILY space himself away from and never fear. I don't know enough about stupid chain camping ****, but chances are that tornado, broken *** invincible Shuttle Loop, or Drill Rush will prevent that from being a problem.
Offstage is just a massacre. 1-3 dairs and an edgehog = Sheik's stock. If the edgehog didn't kill her, she's onstage and completely vulnerable. Good ****, free dsmash/nair/up B/whatever the **** you want. Sheik has no way to even dream of gimping MK, Drill Rush and tornado just eat her attacks up and put her in a bad position.
Fighting onstage isn't even close either. Needles can be avoided with the X button or simply shielded. Even if MK has to approach, so long as he stays reasonably spaced, he has nothing to fear. Any of Sheik's approaches get shut down by ftilt (ground approaches) and Shuttle Loop/tornado (aerial approaches). If MK sees Sheik jumping at him, he can just up B and use his invincibility/range to rip through her crap. Also, the kill percents aren't that skewed even IF she grab release DACUSes him, Sheik is pathetically light and will die to a dsmash at a solid 110 (or just get gimped).
It's also funny because you're the same fool who thought ftilt footstool bair was a death combo on everyone.
Oh boy, someone gets mad when I bring up a possible 5% disadvantage at flat stages with no platforms.
I'm not even going to attempt to make a huge fool out of you. Anything I see even remotely in a flaming matter will only meet about 5+ angry people. You can get away with it, but I cannot. So I'll try and keep it purely factual.
#1 He does not out range the **** out of us. Our Bair has pretty good reach in case you didn't know.
#2 You honestly don't understand Sheik mechanics.
Needle's and Chain both beat Mach Tornado.
We can also get a USmash tipper on a Nadoing MK.
#3 I would never ever ever go off stage against MK. If I got hit off stage I would either SDI straight up and use Dair to get to the ledge or I would SDI into the stage when hit, and throw a chain to thether the ledge.
#4 Uhhhh... WTH, I never even hinted to shield grabbing. We have things that combo into a grab, duh.
jab> grab
f-tilt> grab
air release> grab
weak/decay Bair> grab
weak/decay Fair> grab
weak Nair> grab
#5 A mix of Needle's, Chain, Vanish (also invincible frame and can be canceled at FD), Bair, f-tilt, jabs and grab will cover our ground game.
#6 It's funny that you mention that.
I have done more studying on footstools than anyone else (more than likely).
I found the exact hit box (if you want to call it that) of a footstool. I then discovered that SDI can mess up every footstool combo in the game except for ZSS's.
Sheik, Pika and TL come close but they can still be messed up.
Just about the only character that can be footstool combo'd is ROB and that is because his footstool hurt box is really large for some reason.
I have said for over a month now that they are useless and should be discarded.
There is nothing in that aspect in Brawl.
dooms pissed
yeah but savior will just boost pivot walk around everything mk does
Wait, why are you calling him doom.
Also, Doom, why the heck are you pissed at me. I didn't do anything to you. Calm down plz.
Boost Walking shouldn't be used to "go around". If anything it should be used as a quick retreat to avoid something and then follow up directly.
It can also be used for sliding attacks which open up the possibility of some characters getting new combo's. Rather than than that and approaching I wouldn't use it.
If she has a lead he does have to approach, but even so MK does have ways inside. Maybe not 100% consistently, but she's not going to sit there with the chain out for 8 minutes if the MK isn't completely ********.
Actually with enough practice that is a possibility.
Well, I gave up the discussion in the other thread like <3 did because I knew people weren't going to except our idea's. Unfortunately a certain Clowsui had to start it in here. Yeah, thanks a lot man, good job. All you did was cause a hate on me for 2 pages or so.
All I wanted was their personal opinion because I knew they would get flame happy if I mentioned Sheik having an advantage on flat stages.
Anyways... this will go no where. Well it will go some where. It will result in multiple pages of arguing. None of you will believe what I say and you will all be backing up each other while I am standing alone.
Personally I have learned from the past it is better to keep my mouth shut (cough*Clowsui*again*cough) when it comes to these things.
