Meta Knight Q&A Thread

[Exdeath]

So. Should I learn the fox MU as MK, or should I just pick up pikachu as a secondary just for that matchup? Which is easier? (HERE'S LOOKING AT YOU CRIFER >:D)

Pikachu would be easier. It's practically an auto-loss on neutrals (not quite, though). If you understand the basics of both characters and are a decent Pikachu, you should beat ANY Fox player. The Pikachu is in control of the match-up for the most part. Just don't try to force the grab and play patiently. Go for a time-out.

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

pikachu would be easier, but MK has all tools to shut down fox,
try to read the fox and don´t get mindgamed into stupid stuff.

and there are like 4 fox players in germany, one of them is not playing on a regular base, one lives in berlin...
it´s pretty rare that you have to play a fox.

Fix'd. :V I dunno, I'm a gay **** like that.

Pikachu would be easier. It's practically an auto-loss on neutrals (not quite, though). If you understand the basics of both characters and are a decent Pikachu, you should beat ANY Fox player. The Pikachu is in control of the match-up for the most part. Just don't try to force the grab and play patiently. Go for a time-out.

K, just wondering. I'm prolly gonna dabble a little, but more likely just get some practice in the matchup. I need to find a good fox to play against...

 

[etecoon]

pikachu ***** fox and is easier in the short term BUT

A) meta knight still beats fox solidly too

B) IMO it's more beneficial in the long run to stick with your character, some people like atomsk or NL have had success using a lot of different characters but I think that they are outliers and for most people the experience is very important(I also think how **** those kinds of people could be if they focused on one character more, already top players but they could potentially be even better). I think this is especially true of sword users like MK, your spacing is so important and it's harder to be consistent when you're switching characters all the time IMO

C) pika vs fox being a stupid MU isn't news to fox players, most of them probably have a secondary that they've probably put way more work into than you would with pika. you can go MK on them, but then you have a chance of having to deal with MK vs fox anyway, just as well to learn the MU

 

[Player-4]

I don't agree, I think Fox vs MK is even

 

[Exdeath]

I don't agree, I think Fox vs MK is even

I first read this as "I don't agree, I think Fox vs Pikachu is even." I had to read it a few times because I knew that you couldn't be serious.

 

[Player-4]

LOL people who think Fox vs. Pika is even are in denial

 

[z00ted]

P4, you're in denial.

 

[Player-4]

GTFO scrub, don't make me pull my Pit back out

 

[z00ted]

woop doop you planked my Peach for eight minutes

Don't make me have to JV three stock your Metaknight.

 

[Player-4]

LOOOOL ***** you funny

Now run along

 

[z00ted]

Yes, white master.

 

[Kaffei]

I don't agree, I think Fox vs MK is even

I'm of this opinion

 

[z00ted]

You are all WRONG

 

[Kaffei]

huuuuuuurrrrrrrr

 

[demonictoonlink]

That matchup seems just about even. I'd actually give it to Fox on FD but that shouldn't be happening.

Also, I think Orion would be happy to know I beat Te@rbear on the ladder and made him rage. It was against his GaW, but he was mad and I thought of you ;D

 

[lilseph]

I don't agree, I think Fox vs MK is even

Completly agree 100%

 

[jpak]

how do you invcinair?

 

[Orion*]

read the mk guide

 

[Orion*]

That matchup seems just about even. I'd actually give it to Fox on FD but that shouldn't be happening.

Also, I think Orion would be happy to know I beat Te@rbear on the ladder and made him rage. It was against his GaW, but he was mad and I thought of you ;D

i have nothing against tearbear omg XDDDD

i just dont like his playstyle

edit: idk fox vs mk was Reallllly hard when i played meep for some reason but i honestly dont know the mu.

my problem is, you can sdi the dair so that should like never combo into anything xD. the only thing that makes fox homo is his air speed and shine stalling

 

[Dojo]

Yeah I don't see it being even at all. Prolly a solid advantage if you know the matchup. Just nobody knows it.

 

[Orion*]

also, gimping fox is pretty homo lmao

 

[Player-4]

I don't find Shine stalling all that annoying, I just wait for them to do something and punish it.

What I hate is the Dair to Usmash ****, and since me SDI skills suck I suck against good Foxes

 

[Orion*]

the shine stalling is what makes it homo because

if their going for dair->usmash
its pretty ****ing telegraphed like, they have to full hop usually and be right above you, so you have a few seconds to register that

mk has a lot of options, upB is probably the easiest to just outright beat dair (grounded)

and the problem is if he shine stalls outside of your range he can airdodge//bait w/e you want to do

this is all meep did when he played me in pools at least, it was pretty annoying XD

 

[jpak]

any advice in the sonic match up? :|

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

Play reactively. He has one approach, the spindash, and tornado beats it soundly. So does shuttle loop.

 

[-LzR-]

I can DI out of Fox's dair stuff pretty often without any experience of the MU. Especially against bad Fox players who only do that stuff lol.

 

[Orion*]

Play reactively. He has one approach, the spindash, and tornado beats it soundly. So does shuttle loop.

other than your first sentence which is like a given in every match, no >.>

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

Hmm, I must be playing the wrong sonics. What the hell does sonic have against MK?

 

[-LzR-]

speedlol that is

 

[Player-4]

Sonic is mostly a bunch of gimmicks and speed.

Make him approach you, you don't wanna be approaching him

 

[Dojo]

This ^^

None of his moves really beat yours. Just ban Yoshi's. Play passive. React to his ****. And he can't kill worth a ****. Take advantage of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj_6uqWB5-c

 

[etecoon]

out of curiosity, why yoshi's? I've found banning FD as always works well for me

pretty sure sonic loses to MK on every stage regardless

 

[Dojo]

They do that gay **** with their side B on the ledges so it has invincibility frames as they roll across the stage. Then repeat.

Works on Yoshi's and Pictochat. But Picto is banned most places so yeah.

 

[Player-4]

What Doj said^^

Basically, any stage with a sloped ledge (Yoshi's/Picto and others (I think RC, Brinstar, and more) ) Sonic can spin dash and have invincibility throughout the move, just like DK's Up-B on Yoshi's

It's real gay and here's a prime example of it in action

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NT-X-DD1Qg

 

[jpak]

are things like pivot nair/fair the same idea as pivot grabs? if so, i find i find it a lot harder to do any advice?
also whats the difference between this and RAR?

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

Yeah that reminds me, is it possible to do a reverse upB OOS? Because I haven't been able to pull it off.

 

[etecoon]

are things like pivot nair/fair the same idea as pivot grabs? if so, i find i find it a lot harder to do any advice?
also whats the difference between this and RAR?

no they aren't AFAIK, "pivot nair" would just be...turning around and nairing

and is generally totally pointless

Yeah that reminds me, is it possible to do a reverse upB OOS? Because I haven't been able to pull it off.

yes it is, training mode is your friend

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

Kay I just suck. Thanks. :V

 

[Orion*]

im sure i could find a use for pivot nairing lmao but it would be so situational XD

 

[Albert.]

Pivot nair strings into Dair

I prefer hitting with Dair as if it was a Bair, you know, back like


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