Meta Knight Q&A Thread

[TSM ZeRo]

what metaknights have the best ground game.

IMO: Ally.

Viridian City 9 Ally vs Mew2King

Game 1 Ally vs Mew2King http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rXM0y82eMk&feature=related Game 2 Ally vs Mew2King http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43mi_rK97W0 Game 3 Ally vs Mew2King http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f61ReTdZUl0&feature=related

Viridian City 9 Ally vs Anti

Game 1 Ally vs Anti http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ISk-NxuY54 Game 2 Ally vs Anti http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kcjaPtZ7v4&feature=related Game 3 Ally vs Anti http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEftCe5RRzI&feature=related

Pound V Ally vs Anti

Full set Ally vs Anti http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YNg3cA2XHY

 

[-LzR-]

That format in your post showing the vids is AWESOME.
Is it a new feature or something?

 

[Pimp Daddy Supreme]

i have the best ground game, ally is horrible

 

[TSM ZeRo]

That format in your post showing the vids is AWESOME.
Is it a new feature or something?

Thanks.

Yes, it's a new feature. In the upper-right corner of the "post-box" you should see a white box with a blue line over it. If you select the text, and then click on that box, this would happen around the text:

Game 1 Ally vs Mew2king http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7EQzOahzhQ

It's an amazing tool to make your posts look amazing and very professional.

 

[Albert.]

Yo I just grab-released a Wario at the edge of FD into a Dair/Nair frame-trap stage spike to clinch a set.

Probably the coolest thing I've ever done in Brawl.

 

[Staco]

Yo I just grab-released a Wario at the edge of FD into a Dair/Nair frame-trap stage spike to clinch a set.

Probably the coolest thing I've ever done in Brawl.

Like ground releasing him and then stagespiking or what?

Lee Martin also got a match vs. Havok, where he plays very patient + I think there is a MK ditto on Piazzale Havok vs. Lee (same set), which is pretty patient.

Ally with the Snake ground game. xP

Wow thanks a lot Staco!
Problem is I don't have any Snakes to play against usually.

Playing Snake CPUs can help you a bit to get a good feeling for the char.
You can learn to gimp him properly and combo him.
Its not the same as vs. real players, but it can give you a good feeling about it.

 

[Kuro~]

What's a good way on improving your "speed" by yourself?

 

[Kaffei]

play cpus and master execution like m2k

 

[ぱみゅ]

What's a good way on improving your "speed" by yourself?

That's something I've been wondering lately.
Tech skill is obviously improved by practice -if that's what you mean-, but how can you improve overall reflexes?

 

[Exdeath]

What's a good way on improving your "speed" by yourself?

Try switching between buffering your moves so that you're moving as fast as possible (it might seem like you're mashing buttons) and playing how you want to play/safe.

 

[Max113]

Hey guys. Could someone give me the run-down of the MK vs Bowser MU? I'm going to have to face a Bowser at a tournament tomorrow that can freaking kick my *** more consistently than I care to mention...

Oh, and something more that "push B" would be nice, dat boozer makes tornado seem like a bad move. >_>

 

[Pimp Daddy Supreme]

you probably arent tornadoing correctly

 

[Max113]

you probably arent tornadoing correctly

I do mix it up between tornadoing his shield then landing in front/behind him and fleeing during the last second or so but I get Koopa Klawed no matter what I do... let me guess, don't tornado his shield?

 

[Exdeath]

I do mix it up between tornadoing his shield then landing in front/behind him and fleeing during the last second or so but I get Koopa Klawed no matter what I do... let me guess, don't tornado his shield?

Try retreating all the way.

 

[Max113]

Try retreating all the way.

Bowser's run is pretty fast but I'll give it a shot.

So, does anyone know anyway to deal with that ******** claw of his?

 

[theunabletable]

@Max: Well don't like approach with tornado. Stay out of his range, and bait him to commit to something, then beat it out with nado, and then juggle him with nado.

 

[Max113]

@Max: Well don't like approach with tornado. Stay out of his range, and bait him to commit to something, then beat it out with nado, and then juggle him with nado.

I've had zero luck with any kind of approach so I'll try defensive play. Thanks.

 

[Player-4]

You don't really need Nado to beat Bowser, just get in his face and Nair a lot. He's such a big target too, just go for some Shadow Loops (random Shuttle Loops, like right before you land) and catch him off guard.

Also, just try rolling behind him then following up with whatever you want, don't get predictable with it but rolling behind Bowser is too easy and puts you in a great postion.

He's a big character, and you're small, he's pretty easy to pressure and juggle.

Honestly, just do MK stuff and abuse the character, that's what it takes.

 

[Albert.]

Stay with rising Dairs and Nairs on Bowser's shield, because IIRC he can actually punish Fair on Block or Wiff.

 

[Life]

While I'm here, I'm curious if there's any use for b-reversed SL? Was playing around with it and it's fun, but hard to see applications.

 

[TSM ZeRo]

While I'm here, I'm curious if there's any use for b-reversed SL? Was playing around with it and it's fun, but hard to see applications.

The only time I use a Ground Reverse Shuttle Loop is when someone gets on my back at a 45degree angle, like Snake B-Air when I miss the Juggle, or Lucario's D-Air, B-Air, Meta Knight's D-Air Camping, or when Yoshi/Jigglypuff gets behind me (when Yoshi/Jigglypuff does a retreating B-Air, for example). I consider this safer (in this situation), than doing an U-Air or Tornado. But, I never abuse this "strategy" so it doesn't "get old" (Mix Ups).

On the Air, I use this against Lucario recovery. In the same way that Anti does it in this match:

POUND V: Anti vs Trela

Anti vs Trela Full Set:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Dt3c3OMEeY

Also, I use this as a "combo", for example. If I'm off the stage, and I'm "U-Airing" (Attacking your opponent from below with an U-Air) my opponent, and then I N-Air him (after 2-3 U-Airs) I use a reversed Shuttle Loop to get back to the stage, and get the "sweetspoted" Shuttle Loop. I have got some amazing kills with this "combo". And. if my opponent doesn't DI the reversed Shuttle Loop, he's dead. This works great with characters like, Falco, Fox, Wolf, Lucario, etc. NOT with Snake (because, if you reverse this, sometimes, you won't get hit by the cypher, so, it's not 100% safe), I prefer to N-Air him a few times (2-3) then D-Air him, then go for the normal Shuttle Loop for the KO (also, I love to Footstool/N-Air -or Shuttle Loop him, if he's high enough in the air- his C4 recovery).

 

[Master Raven]

If by B-reverse SL you mean from the ground then personally, I think it can be viable, but situational. I think it depends on the momentum of the match.

 

[Life]

I was referring to both grounded and aerial SL. Thanks for the tips!

 

[Master Raven]

Reverse Aerial SL is obviously a lot more useful, especially as displayed in the Anti vs Trela set

 

[Staco]

The reverse ground up b can be used OoS, so it´s really good if you are in your shield with your enemy in your back to hit him.

In the air it can be really good for edgeguarding.
I use it a lot offstage to punish airdodges. (if you see your enemy AD and your in the right range, reverse Up B him, so that you can glide onstage and he will die cause of getting hit to the blastzone)

 

[~PWN~]

I find myself using reverse SL mostly in air to get easy an easy ko and make it back to the stage to live although there have been times when a ground SL has shown itself to be my key for victory. I think it is an awesome move to use in your mix-up just don't get to predictable with it and it can score you a lot of ko's with it.

 

[Albert.]

I'd like to note that yes, UpB is an amazing move, but one of the most common mistakes I aww newbie MK players make is spamming the hell out of it

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

I'd like to note that yes, UpB is an amazing move, but one of the most common mistakes I aww newbie MK players make is spamming the hell out of it

Indeed; it's actually fairly punishable. Like, seriously. Glide can be punished hard. For example against wario: do not glide if they have a fart. You will lose.

 

[Albert.]

wow BPC making sense? Maybe the rapture really did come!

 

[Kaffei]

i got ***** by neo lol

 

[Pimp Daddy Supreme]

what? up B is basically unpunishable... you should never worry about abusing it. it's known to be one of the best moves in the game for a reason

 

[ぱみゅ]

Well, it is VERY pinushable, as you have no option but glide (afterwards, glide attack or freefall). Any read will hurt.
The reward of landing it is MUCH higher than the risk, tho...

 

[Blacknight99923]

tbh i always feel like i get punished for SLing.

Abiet when i think of people who punish it its DEHF and mikehaze LOL.


does just up B FF cancel glide buffer keep you safe?

 

[APartofNothing]

What's Metaknights best move for pressure that still keeps him close to the opponent?

 

[Master Raven]

I share the sentiment that UpB is very punishable, at least when you're spamming it a lot. I got ***** a lot for it because I would basically use it on reaction so I'm trying to condition myself not to use it as much and be less predictable with it.

@APartofNothing: I would say dtilt, ftilt and retreating FF Fairs are best for those purposes.

 

[~PWN~]

What's Metaknights best move for pressure that still keeps him close to the opponent?

I think nado is good to pressure a lot of characters following it up with Ftilt, Dsmash, SHFair, SHDair, or SHNair and throw in some grabs and you should keep a lot of pressure at a close range.

 

[Haze~]

yo i find it hard to control mk with tap jump on for some reason, i play marth with it on but i mess upp with mk in the air got any hints?

 

[etecoon]

don't play with tap jump on? you can claw for any of the times where it would be helpful anyway, it's not essential

 

[Haze~]

up b oos is a bit trickier though but ive heard you can up b oos as fast with tap jump off , any answers on how? thx

 

[etecoon]

claw Y at the same time as you up B

alternatively you can map jump to R and use that, IIRC redhalberd uses that scheme