Meta Knight Officially Banned!

[Moritaka]

Why are the diddy players mad?

Not all, of course, at least ADHD and a few.

 

[Bizkit047]

Unless 10 people get yellow carded, I should be supporting Unity

Re-discussing our infraction system is on our to-do list lulz.

About adding stages though...the community can't even swallow having PS2, I don't see how they'd accept any other stages sadly. The worst part was MK wasn't even dominant on PS2, so it wasn't an "MK is too good here" problem...it was just a "most of the community doesn't want to learn this easy stage."

 

[Divinokage]

Ya usually for a character to merit a ban.. is usually the only way to beat him is by choosing the same character. MK is nowhere near like that.

 

[King Funk]

Ya usually for a character that merits a ban.. is usually the only way to beat him is by choosing the same character. MK is nowhere near like that.

I totally 100% agree with you but I bet 9001 people will troll you by saying that ditto'ing MK is necessary.

****ing smashboards.

 

[solecalibur]

you guys are destroying this game

lol wait 4 the attendance to rise.
Your so naive if you didnt see this coming

Ally will probably go back to snake now. Mk was great character

Doubt it, his wario is amazing

 

[Player-1]

I have some question.

Question one Why is the BBR waiting until APex to enforce the MK ban.

Question two has there been any stage or rule changes since the MK ban.

Apex is a solid time enforce the ban as a whole. It's about 3 and a half months away so it gives plenty of people time to get ready for the change, as well as giving time some transition time in between (having MK legal and ban tournaments at the same time). Also, we know that a lot of people wouldn't be following it anyway and we want what's best for the community. Since Apex will be MK legal it's important to know that people will still want practice in an MK legal environment.



oh and, no not yet, we wanted to get the MK ban out of the way before we do anything. It was quite a hassle to get everything worked out with this rule change with just MK being banned. We also didn't want too many big changes to the ruleset all at one time.

 

[Alex Strife]

I'm not too sure if the community listens to casuals more so than any other community most of the people in the BBR are tourney players or TO's. The decision to ban MK i think is a good decision however, I wonder how you can ban MK with out re opening a discussion for stages. If anything I believe the BBR was influenced more by top players.

I think our mindset is more based off mixing casual experience and competitive experience more than any other game.

It is not a bad thing...it makes our community great I just think it is something to think about.

Will MK be legal again? I highly doubt it. Will this increase our tournament turnouts? Well yes and no. Yes because the URC is going to push it as the standard and without it people will not get as much press as it would any other tournament.

I think I am being a little selfish though. When I look at this I think about Apex 2013 and all the OOC people coming. Do I keep MK banned for that? Or do I break the mold again. This is something I think about greatly not just for my turnouts but for sponsors and everything that people do not think about except very few leaders ( AZ , me , chibo, etc ). I like to look beyond the game and focus on how to make our community better with things like that. I want to see the japanese return and the euros as well too. That is my mission/goal.

 

[Divinokage]

I totally 100% agree with you but I bet 9001 people will troll you by saying that ditto'ing MK is necessary.

****ing smashboards.

Heh.. well smashboards is troll city after all.. People will troll any chance they get and its ****ing sad.

 

[Suspect]

nevermind mk getting banned lol at posters getting banned also

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

Re-discussing our infraction system is on our to-do list lulz.

About adding stages though...the community can't even swallow having PS2, I don't see how they'd accept any other stages sadly. The worst part was MK wasn't even dominant on PS2, so it wasn't an "MK is too good here" problem...it was just a "most of the community doesn't want to learn this easy stage."

Some stages that I could see being brought back Luigi's Mansion, Norfair, Jungle Japes. I really could care less about ps2.

 

[Juushichi]

I don't think it's trolling when people say that the ditto is necessary though. This is what people believe and it's sometimes hard to argue it. Especially when you see a lot of dittos at high levels of play.

 

[Ghostbone]

Ya usually for a character to merit a ban.. is usually the only way to beat him is by choosing the same character. MK is nowhere near like that.

He's also pretty much destroying the community.

 

[King Funk]

I don't think it's trolling when people say that the ditto is necessary though.

 

[Divinokage]

I don't think it's trolling when people say that the ditto is necessary though. This is what people believe and it's sometimes hard to argue it. Especially when you see a lot of dittos at high levels of play.

That's simply because a lot of people don't want to learn a tough matchup.

 

[Juushichi]

Why learn a tough matchup when you can have the most even matchup in the game with the best character in the game?

 

[Alex Strife]

Apex is a solid time enforce the ban as a whole. It's about 3 and a half months away so it gives plenty of people time to get ready for the change, as well as giving time some transition time in between (having MK legal and ban tournaments at the same time). Also, we know that a lot of people wouldn't be following it anyway and we want what's best for the community. Since Apex will be MK legal it's important to know that people will still want practice in an MK legal environment.



oh and, no not yet, we wanted to get the MK ban out of the way before we do anything. It was quite a hassle to get everything worked out with this rule change with just MK being banned. We also didn't want too many big changes to the ruleset all at one time.

Beyond this Apex is the most important thing to the community in terms of publicity. I think it is more important to our community and create our own International tournament that is on the level of MLG presentation

 

[t3h Icy]

I think I am being a little selfish though. When I look at this I think about Apex 2013 and all the OOC people coming. Do I keep MK banned for that? Or do I break the mold again. This is something I think about greatly not just for my turnouts but for sponsors and everything that people do not think about except very few leaders ( AZ , me , chibo, etc ). I like to look beyond the game and focus on how to make our community better with things like that. I want to see the japanese return and the euros as well too. That is my mission/goal.

Why would people still be playing MK by then if he's banned?

Except for OOC, but with them being the only MK players, they'll beat NA even worse! :O

 

[King Funk]

That's simply because a lot of people don't want to learn a tough matchup.

This guy plays GANONDORF in Melee.

He knows what he's talking about when it comes to tough matchups.

 

[Moritaka]

That's simply because a lot of people don't want to learn a tough matchup.

It's the most easy way of learning. We all prefer shortcuts to be pro.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Zelda approves.

 

[Divinokage]

Why learn a tough matchup when you can have the most even matchup in the game with the best character in the game?

Because smash is a game made for fanboys.. you don't necessarily want to play MK because he simply isn't your style.

 

[Alex Strife]

Why would people still be playing MK by then if he's banned?

Except for OOC, but with them being the only MK players, they'll beat NA even worse! :O

I wrote that he wont be legal again in the US. For me though, I am thinking beyond the US cause I do events for the world and not the US. I am thinking about things beyond that.

 

[Player-1]

Beyond this Apex is the most important thing to the community in terms of publicity. I think it is more important to our community and create our own International tournament that is on the level of MLG presentation

This is true as well, if we had done the MK ban immediately Apex attendance could have been hurt which will hurt the community which is the complete opposite of what we want.

 

[El Duderino]

He's also pretty much destroying the community.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. It's sad really.

 

[Veetaak]

Hello brawl forum :>

Heard you liek mudkip but not Metaknight

 

[King Funk]

Hello brawl forum :>

Heard you liek mudkip but not Metaknight

lol veetaak

 

[Alex Strife]

This is true as well, if we had done the MK ban immediately Apex attendance could have been hurt which will hurt the community which is the complete opposite of what we want.

I still think the announcement should of been left until after the fact. But that is just how I feel regarding my event and what is best for it.

 

[Juushichi]

That applies for me, yes, Kage. But it doesn't necessarily apply to everyone else. I can't be mad when a Wolf main doesn't want to play my Sheik and goes MK because it makes more sense from a competitive standpoint.

 

[t3h Icy]

I wrote that he wont be legal again in the US. For me though, I am thinking beyond the US cause I do events for the world and not the US. I am thinking about things beyond that.

Yes, but if MK is banned in US and nobody plays him, then OOC will be the only ones using him. Which results in ****.

 

[Bizkit047]

Ya usually for a character to merit a ban.. is usually the only way to beat him is by choosing the same character. MK is nowhere near like that.

Of course that's not the case, and that's not the reason he was banned. It's a combination of problems. We had to add multiple surgical rules JUST FOR MK to be legal, and even then, he still is in need of more. His worst MU is himself, even if he's technically beatable by player error or lack of MU knowledge by the MK users. You'd be surprised how many times a low tier can take out MKs that don't know the MU. But once they learn it...it goes back to a 70:30.

 

[Alex Strife]

Yes, but if MK is banned in US and nobody plays him, then OOC will be the only ones using him.

I understand that.

Maybe I do not understand what you are trying to say ^^;;.

 

[King Funk]

Yes, but if MK is banned in US and nobody plays him, then OOC will be the only ones using him. Which results in ****.

**** where?

The USA are the ones ones hosting big internationals. If MK is banned there, Europeans can't really come and whip out their MK's.

Unless I misunderstood what you meant.

 

[t3h Icy]

I understand that.

Maybe I do not understand what you are trying to say ^^;;.

US will get ***** when nobody knows the match-up anymore.

 

[NinjaFoxX]

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yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

Apex is a solid time enforce the ban as a whole. It's about 3 and a half months away so it gives plenty of people time to get ready for the change, as well as giving time some transition time in between (having MK legal and ban tournaments at the same time). Also, we know that a lot of people wouldn't be following it anyway and we want what's best for the community. Since Apex will be MK legal it's important to know that people will still want practice in an MK legal environment.

I'm not sure how many tourneys are going to be there in the mean while however, I guess it's best to allow people to get used to whats going to come of this. MK being banned from APEX would hurt things (although I don't Alex would ban him)

oh and, no not yet, we wanted to get the MK ban out of the way before we do anything. It was quite a hassle to get everything worked out with this rule change with just MK being banned. We also didn't want too many big changes to the ruleset all at one time.

It would of been nice to get some massive updates that way we'd be able to know what we're dealing. Also if you banned MK right now we'd be able to get a better feel for the next metagame.

I think our mindset is more based off mixing casual experience and competitive experience more than any other game.

It is not a bad thing...it makes our community great I just think it is something to think about.

Will MK be legal again? I highly doubt it. Will this increase our tournament turnouts? Well yes and no. Yes because the URC is going to push it as the standard and without it people will not get as much press as it would any other tournament.

I think I am being a little selfish though. When I look at this I think about Apex 2013 and all the OOC people coming. Do I keep MK banned for that? Or do I break the mold again. This is something I think about greatly not just for my turnouts but for sponsors and everything that people do not think about except very few leaders ( AZ , me , chibo, etc ). I like to look beyond the game and focus on how to make our community better with things like that. I want to see the japanese return and the euros as well too. That is my mission/goal.

As long as people know ahead of time and conform to what you're putting out it'll be fine. However, when you have a characters that's banned by one region if the other regions don't fall in line then they'll be at an advantage. For example back in the vanilla days of SSFIV Sagat was banned in Japan. Then there was this 5 v 5 international thing going on and Japan was getting bodied by American Sagats because they didn't have that MU practice.

So it would more than likely before the best for everyone to be able to agree on the MK ban that way everyone will be able to move forward.

 

[Moritaka]

Honestly, who cares about the matchup, if it only depends on the ability?

 

[King Funk]

US will get ***** when nobody knows the match-up anymore.

But how?

No one will be able to use MK in the USA anymore. How can they get ***** something that isn't even allowed?

 

[Le vieux lapin]

You guys should listen to Alex. He is "the man who runs it all".

t3h Icy is right though, we still need to keep up on the MK matchup for international purposes.
Even though the game is about skill, the MU still matters.

 

[Juushichi]

**** where?

The USA are the ones ones hosting big internationals. If MK is banned there, Europeans can't really come and whip out their MK's.

Unless I misunderstood what you meant.

This much is true... and kinda unfortunate. US is po' and kinda haughty so it's very unlikely that US players will travel instead of vice-versa.

I'd love to go to Japan or Europe and get ***** by players just for the experience, personally.

 

[Divinokage]

That applies for me, yes, Kage. But it doesn't necessarily apply to everyone else. I can't be mad when a Wolf main doesn't want to play my Sheik and goes MK because it makes more sense from a competitive standpoint.

I guess... but it's not for everyone at the same time. It's not everyone that can pull off something like that.