Elitest jerk and intelligent is still better than Everone's Friend and ********. Umbreon is not the sole voice nor the leader of the MBR, but he is right. In terms of the general community, their decision making skills are abhorrent. To give you an idea, anyone who says "jiggs is top tier" and then uses the reasoning "Because Mango and HBox win" is extremely wrong.
I find the "Let people in cus they're good" argument amazing by the way. M2K has been in the MBR forever and he about once a month he asserts what the "Real tier list" is, and it's usually radically different every time. Now this is in no way saying i don't think M2K should not be in the MBR, he's extremely intelligent and knows alot about the game, but it doesn't stop him from being flat out wrong some times. And knowing the community and their level of general fanboyism, they'd take M2K's tier list(s) as correct every single time.
@Jugfingers, you want info? Here:
Pokemon Stadium fell to Counterpick due to the necessity of an odd number of stages for stage striking. That necessity led to an argument about whether we should drop one of the current Neutrals to CP or add one of the current CP's to the Neutral list. I as well as a few others argued that Kongo Jungle could rather safely be added to the Neutral list as with striking the chances of something like Pink Shinobi vs Rock Crock happening match one would be about 0% however I was eventually swayed when it was pointed out that adding KJ64 would in fact be meaningless as it would almost always get eliminated and never see play round one anyways, as well as to the fact that PS is only truly neutral for 3 of it's 5 forms. If every form was a stand alone stage the Rock and Fire stages would be outright banned. Since they only last a short amount of time it's not significant enough to require a ban however I do agree that they are intrusive enough to gameplay to remove from the neutral list. FoD was discussed as was Yoshi Story but in the end neither of these stages were particularly troublesome so they were ignored.
As for the counterpick list there's still some debate. Some stages(Green Greens, Jungle Japes) were pretty much unanimously voted for ban, however certain stages, namely Corneria and Mute City were deeply debated. Some players felt the stages were too strong for certain characters, that Fox wins instantly by counter picking Corneria and that Peach/Jiggs win instantly by picking Mute City and that these characters already have too many other strong counter pick stages, so giving them more options only degrades the counter pick system into "You win/I win/You win" with certain characters. I personally was actually against these bans, I don't feel that either stage is an instant win for any characters. There were constantly references brought up about certain matches, certain players winning or losing with those characters on those stages and while I don't feel that any of those matches prove one point or the other, I do feel that it creates enough of a gray area that perhaps we shouldn't jump on one decision too soon. But alas, we had to make a decision and in truth Im not particularly angry that those stages got dropped. The fact that there was that gray area also means that while the stages might not be outright broken they are obviously far stronger counter picks than many other stages so it's not something to get upset about.
So there, now you have information, happy? As for the secrecy thing, are you really so foolish that you don't understand the ridiculous amount of spam that would be created should the MBR become viewable by the general public? The "I think Scar/KishPrime/Ankoku/Pink Reaper is wrong" threads that would pop up constantly in the Melee Discussion. And im not talking the productive well thought out kind of threads, im talking the "Because I can beat my brothers fox with Pichu by taunt canceling and using Up B Trixies" threads. Have some common sense, certain things are kept secret because for every 5 or 6 members who have been here more than a two years and know what's appropriate to post, there's 20 more who don't. And yes, you SHOULD be banned for what you're doing, your flaming and disrespecting a moderator(you know, something that's against the rules) as well as spamming. You want some information? Ask. We'll answer. If you just post "LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL MBR SUX, I CAN'T SEE IT!" then you're really only hurting your "The general public isn't ********" cause.
) but at the same time, I'd contend that it is most likely the real least neutral "neutral" - despite this, there have been little to no demands that FD be put up for banning instead of PS (or FoD)
