Matchups Chart & Lists - Updated: 29/Oct

[NovaRyumaru]

Yeah I'm aware, but isn't dair SDIable before the footstool connects? I might be wrong, but I thought that was the case considering how much time you had with the move. Plus, footstool is something that's very dependent on the opponent's recovery whether it will gimp them or not.

Only character I have trouble with them SDI before the footstool are jigglypuff and Wario really. Sometimes kirby, depends on how centered on them I am when it conencts.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

SDI is SDI. If it's multi-hit, they can SDI above Yoshi, and foostool him...maybe. I'm not sure which way is the best way to SDI Yoshi's Dair. >_>. Weight plays a minimal factor in SDI, it's more about how quick the other player is.

 

[NovaRyumaru]

SDI is SDI. If it's multi-hit, they can SDI above Yoshi, and foostool him...maybe. I'm not sure which way is the best way to SDI Yoshi's Dair. >_>. Weight plays a minimal factor in SDI, it's more about how quick the other player is.

And how mobile they are with their DI. Wario and Purin have almost obscene DI response.

 

[ShadowLink84]

And how mobile they are with their DI. Wario and Purin have almost obscene DI response.

DI is in relation to trajectory sent.
SDI controls where you move DURING the hit, sort of like shifting BEFORE you suffer the knockback.
It has nothing to do with aerial mobility.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I update the MU chart on the Link boards and have the following updates/changes here.

Link vs Mr. G&W is 40:60 G&W
Link vs Zelda is 40:60 Zelda
Link vs Sheik is 30:70 Sheik
Link vs Lucas is 50:50

I don't have the exports up yet, but those are the ratios that will be listed.

 

[Rajam]

I update the MU chart on the Link boards and have the following updates/changes here.

Link vs Mr. G&W is 40:60 G&W
Link vs Zelda is 40:60 Zelda
Link vs Sheik is 30:70 Sheik
Link vs Lucas is 50:50

I don't have the exports up yet, but those are the ratios that will be listed.

Updated

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OP updated:

18-Dec-2009: Captain Falcon 35 Snake; Link 30 Sheik, 40 Mr. Game & Watch, Zelda, 50 Lucas; Lucas 40 Wario, 45 Falco, R.O.B., 50 Olimar, Pikachu; Sheik 40 Luigi; Zelda 25 Olimar, 40 Pit, 45 R.O.B., Sonic, 50 Ice Climbers

 

[Limeee]

wtf with ganon vs snake

ganon boards say 5-95

snake boards say 60-40?

 

[B!squick]

Either way, it's advantage Snake.

 

[mars16]

Sorry to inerrupt but this is the best chart I've seen yet

 

[DMG]

60:40 snake is being super modest against Ganon lol

 

[Gates]

Snake boards don't know how to get around Warlock Punch.

 

[B!squick]

Well, UTilt does combo into it.

 

[lordhelmet]

Woah, wtf! Ganon has the advantage over CF my ***. It's 55-45 Falcon's favor.

Btw:

20:80
35-65
30-70
25-75
30-70 (65-35)
35-65
35:65
25-75
30-70 (25-75)
25-75
30-70
35-65
35-65
40-60
35-65
35-65
40-60
40-60
35-65
35-65
40-60
35-65
45-55
:shiek: 35-65
45-55
40-60
40-60
35-65
40-60
45-55
45-55
35-65
40-60
40-60
40-60
45-55
40-60
55-45
55-45

 

[orange/xd]

Woah, wtf! Ganon has the advantage over CF my ***. It's 55-45 Falcon's favor.

Btw:

Meta Knight: 20:80
Snake: 35-65
Wario: 30-70
Falco: 25-75
Diddy Kong: 30-70
King Dedede: 65-35
Marth: 40:60
Mr. Game & Watch: 25-75
Pikachu: 30-70
Olimar: 25-75
Ice Climbers: 70-30
R.O.B.: 65-35
Kirby: 65-35
Lucario: 60-40
Zero Suit Samus: 65-35
Toon Link: 65-35
Pit: 60-40
Donkey Kong: 60-40
Peach: 65-35
Luigi: 65-35
Fox: 60-40
Wolf: 65-35
Sonic: 55-45
Sheik: 65-35
Bowser: 55-45
Zelda: 60-40
Pokémon Trainer: 60-40
Squirtle: 65-35
Ivysaur: 60-40
Charizard: 55-45
Ike: 55-45
Lucas: 65-35
Mario: 60-40
Ness: 60-40
Yoshi: 60-40
Samus: 55-45
Jigglypuff: 60-40
Link: 45-55
Ganondorf: 45-55

who's matchups are these??

 

[lordhelmet]

who's matchups are these??

Falcon's, I fixed my post up btw

 

[Flayl]

So falcon is a B tier that goes almost even with ganondorf?

 

[Gates]

65-35
70-30
65-35
65-35
60-40
65-35
65-35
60-40

LOL WUT?

45-55

You just said it was in Falcon's favor but now you put it as Ganon's advantage?

lrn2notate

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

Woah, wtf! Ganon has the advantage over CF my ***. It's 55-45 Falcon's favor.

Btw:

20:80
35-65
30-70
25-75
30-70
65-35
35:65
25-75
30-70
25-75
70-30
65-35
65-35
60-40
65-35
65-35
60-40
60-40
65-35
65-35
60-40
65-35
55-45
:shiek: 65-35
55-45
60-40
60-40
65-35
60-40
55-45
55-45
65-35
60-40
60-40
60-40
55-45
60-40
45-55
45-55

LoL @ your ratio's you wish you had an advantage over Zelda.

 

[lordhelmet]

Wow guys, I put 'em in backwards. Chill out, I'll fix them in a second.

Edit: I started putting them in backwards towards the middle, not sure why I did that

 

[Gates]

k, I figured it was just something like that. You forgot to fix Dedede though.

 

[Steeler]

lol 65-35 advantage

 

[phi1ny3]

lolz think of the ratios as a whole and you'll understand, I at first was like "lolwut" but then I looked at CF's supposedly only advantaged MU (ganon) and realized the numbers were backwards.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm pretty sure Lucario beats Falcon worse than 60:40.

they're also not giving Sonic and Link enough credit.

 

[lordhelmet]

I'm pretty sure Lucario beats Falcon worse than 60:40.

they're also not giving Sonic and Link enough credit.

Lucario could be 65-35 but no worse than that, don't feel like explaining, but if your're talking about Wi-Fi then it's like 70-30.

Link can camp Falcon on the ground pretty hard, but once you get him offstage >flub and he's dead. Link also ***** us on Wi-Fi :3

Falcon's jab>grab game destroys Sonic on the ground, most Falcons will know not to run (since Sonic is obviously faster) and just use jab or tilts out of Falcon's walk to stop Sonic's approaches. Falcon and Sonic go farily even in the air but I don't feel like explaining it - maybe 60-40 at worst.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

Falcon does not go nearly neutral/neutral (depending on how you read 45-55s) with Ike.

It's 4-6. Falcon may have speed, but he still has trouble getting pass disjointed attacks. What is he going to do against Ike's Nair? Or Ike's jab. In a jab battle, Ike wins due to having more range.

 

[Gates]

maybe you guys should like you know
discuss it in the respective matchup threads instead of here

 

[lordhelmet]

maybe you guys should like you know
discuss it in the respective matchup threads instead of here

I was just posting my opinion and defended that opinion.

 

[Bad!]

nice this is cool now i can see what bad matchups i have

 

[6Mizu]

Good ****!
Very informing!

 

[Berserker.]

Yoshi is pretty overrated here

But nice chart

 

[Yonder]

Yoshi is pretty overrated here

But nice chart

Well yeah this chart is still very inaccurate. But it's getting there slowly so no one should use this chart in a debate to support their points...yet.

It's still a great chart none the less though.

 

[Llumys]

Olimar's numbers are terrible inaccurate, but that's to be expected in a list sharing the same trait.

Regardless, will this be updated any time soon? The Olimar boards will gladly supply updated numbers.

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

^ this chart gets updated when the new numbers are brought here and posted. so if u and the oli boards feel the numbers are wrong discuss them then post ether a link to the thread were the new numbers are .

 

[B!squick]

^ this chart gets updated when the new numbers are brought here and posted. so if u and the oli boards feel the numbers are wrong discuss them then post ether a link to the thread were the new numbers are .

Yeah, the numbers are only as accurate as the individual character boards make them.

 

[Rajam]

Woah, wtf! Ganon has the advantage over CF my ***. It's 55-45 Falcon's favor.

Btw:

20:80
35-65
30-70
25-75
30-70 (65-35)
35-65
35:65
25-75
30-70 (25-75)
25-75
30-70
35-65
35-65
40-60
35-65
35-65
40-60
40-60
35-65
35-65
40-60
35-65
45-55
:shiek: 35-65
45-55
40-60
40-60
35-65
40-60
45-55
45-55
35-65
40-60
40-60
40-60
45-55
40-60
55-45
55-45

:O I would add them, but... Where are those ratios from? Link to the thread with them? Sorry, but I'm only adding official ratios from the character boards, and what I see here is just someone's oppinion ._.

Olimar's numbers are terrible inaccurate, but that's to be expected in a list sharing the same trait.

Regardless, will this be updated any time soon? The Olimar boards will gladly supply updated numbers.

I try to update it at least once each month. When the Olimar's ratios be ready, you can post them here along with the link supporting the info.

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EDIT: OP updated:

06-Jan-2010: Falco 40 Squirtle, 60 Charizard, 70 Ike, Ivysaur, new thread and previous thead erased; Lucas 40 Mr. Game & Watch, Snake, 45 Ice Climbers, 55 Zelda; Samus 35 Marth, 48 Donkey Kong, 65 Yoshi, 68 Ike; Sheik's last thread erased and its ratios (thread older than a year); Snake's last thread erased, and new thread; Toon Link 40 Snake; Wario 55 Falco, Pit, 65 Donkey Kong; Yoshi's thread erased and all its ratios (thread older than a year)

 

[phi1ny3]

Out of the exports to rediscussions on the Lucario boards, only snake has changed (45:55 snake's favor).

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=221578

Ignore the chart, the "final numbers" are on the bottom date log, he's going to update the MU chart soon.

 

[lordhelmet]

:O I would add them, but... Where are those ratios from? Link to the thread with them? Sorry, but I'm only adding official ratios from the character boards, and what I see here is just someone's oppinion ._.

The Falcon Boards are extremely slow, so our real MU thread is barely done. I can assure you these are accurate though, if I have to I'll make a thread in the Falcon Boards if you don't believe me.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

How did Lucas' MU with Snake change? @_@ it's definitely 30-70

 

[Nidtendofreak]

The Falcon Boards are extremely slow, so our real MU thread is barely done. I can assure you these are accurate though, if I have to I'll make a thread in the Falcon Boards if you don't believe me.

Last time I was at the Falcon Boards, Ike was 4-6. The only person who said 45-55 was lol A2, and nobody should be listening to his opinion about Ike.

Like I said earlier in the topic: 45-55 against Ike is incorrect. Why would it randomly change without discussion?

 

[Underload]

Snake boards are doing a total rediscussion at the moment. Keep everything as is for now, but in a few weeks expect a few new numbers. Just a fair warning for the work ahead.