Rajam
Smash Champion
Updating this on Friday. Keep sending official ratios 
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Matchups Chart & Lists - Updated: 29/Oct
- Thread starter Rajam
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Fuujin
Smash Champion
I think just about everything below A tier on Zelda's is wrong.
I know most of them aren't finished here: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=240002
but match ups like Fox, Kirby, Toon Link, Samus, all the pokemon , Luigi, Ike and Sheik are very outdated and wrong.
I think it's better just to clear them until they are redone rather than have them humorously wrong.
(Like Zelda 70-30 on Falcon and 60:40 on fox lol)
I know most of them aren't finished here: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=240002
but match ups like Fox, Kirby, Toon Link, Samus, all the pokemon , Luigi, Ike and Sheik are very outdated and wrong.
I think it's better just to clear them until they are redone rather than have them humorously wrong.
(Like Zelda 70-30 on Falcon and 60:40 on fox lol)
Rajam
Smash Champion
updated
updated
? They're not in the Lucario matchup thread OP ._. Any link?
? Any link to that?
Done. Nonetheless, the last two ratios, Ganon and Diddy weren't updated since I didn't see them in that thread
Updated
Updated
Lucas vs. Ganon was left as 63:37 Lucas advantage since the thread says it could be either 60:40 or 65:35Mmmm the problem is that, the new Zelda's mu thread doesn't have any ratios yet, so if I erase the ratios, Zelda's row will be empty or I'll have to put the ratios from the (even more) outdated thread linked as backup... I'll remove the ratios once the new Zelda's mu thread has some ratios (*Putting some pressure lol*)
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OP updated May 28th
28-May-2010: Captain Falcon 50 Ike, all threads erased (outdated) and its ratios, and new thread; Donkey Kong 45 Ice Climbers, 55 Marth, 40 Olimar, 60 Samus, 50 Zero Suit Samus, 50 Fox, 50 Wolf, 60 Zelda, 55 Sheik, 60 Ness, 65 Lucas, 55 Ike, 60 Yoshi, 60 Mario, 60 Captain Falcon, 70 Jigglypuff, 55 Link, 65 Ganondorf, new thread, and last thread erased (outdated); Fox 50 Falco, 55 R.O.B.; Ike 30 Meta Knight, 40 Diddy Kong, 35 Falco, 50 Ice Climbers, 45 Wario, 35 King Dedede, 45 Pikachu, 35 Olimar, 40 Lucario, 45 Mr. Game & Watch, 40 Toon Link, 40 Zero Suit Samus, 50 Kirby, 45 R.O.B., 50 Donkey Kong, 50 Peach, 45 Fox, 60 Luigi, 45 Wolf, 45 Sheik, 50 Pokémon Trainer, 50 Sonic, 55 Ness, 60 Bowser, 55 Lucas, 55 Yoshi, 50 Mario, 45 Samus, 55 Jigglypuff, 60 Link, 65 Ganondorf, and new thread; Lucas 30 King Dedede, 40 Peach, 63 Ganondorf; Marth 40 Meta Knight, 55 Snake, 55 Diddy Kong, 55 Falco, 50 Ice Climbers, 45 King Dedede, 65 Mr. Game & Watch, 60 Zero Suit Samus, 65 Luigi, 55 Wolf, 70 Pokémon Trainer, 65 Sonic, 65 Bowser, 70 Captain Falcon, 70 Zelda, 65 Link, new thread, and last one erased; Peach 40 Falco, 60 Ike, 60 Jigglypuff, 50 Kirby, 60 Olimar, 65 Sonic, 50 Wolf, 60 Yoshi, 65 Zelda; Pit 60 Donkey Kong, last thread erased (outdated) with its ratios, and change in priority of first two threads; R.O.B. 45 Snake, and new thread; Samus 65 Ike, 30 Olimar, 55 Zelda, 30 King Dedede, 50 Fox; Snake 50 Diddy Kong, 50 Falco, 50 Marth, 48 Meta Knight; Zero Suit Samus 60 Link, 50 Wolf, 50 Pit
Rajam
Smash Champion
Added a new section in the OP (Section 4) in which everyone can download the Excel File I use for this (Section 4.1), and a little explanation for all the formulas used (Section 4.2)
B!squick
Smash Master
Bowsers redid Meta Knight. 35:65 in MK's favor.
MythTrainerInfinity
Smash Champion
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=10473840#post10473840
This has the Lucario Back Room's official averages on the MU ratios it will be updated as more LBR members give their numbers.
This has the Lucario Back Room's official averages on the MU ratios it will be updated as more LBR members give their numbers.
Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=271374
Minor updates here. Most important is the fact we actually have all of the PT ratios in now.
Minor updates here. Most important is the fact we actually have all of the PT ratios in now.
E-Jolteon
Smash Ace
Why is that that Ganondorf has a 0 against Olimar, but Olimar only has a 70 against Ganondorf? That doesn't make any since.
Mr. Johan
Smash Hero
It's how the respective character board feels about that particular matchup. The Ganondorf board believes the Olimar MU is completely unwinnable, whereas the Olimar board thinks Ganon has enough merit in the MU to make it 70:30.
At least that's how I've been interpreting it.
At least that's how I've been interpreting it.
Mr. Johan
Smash Hero
--lol delays--
Blacknight99923
Smash Champion
I'd have to say an accurate presentation of match ups at least for marth on this new list, good work
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
The yoshis are (finally) updating MU's, so expect some soon
The yoshis are (finally) updating MU's, so expect some soon
don't believe what he is saying, Yoshis Board will fall in inactivity again, like every time.
Jane
Smash Hero
^ this guy looks at the glass half full 
ZSS MU thread
ZSS vs. Peach (50-50)
ZSS vs. Fox (50-50) *might be 55:45 it's just in a section that looks it could be either*
ZSS vs. Luigi (60-40)
ZSS vs. Bowser (70-30)
ZSS vs. Lucas (60-40)
Jigglypuff MU thread
Jigglypuff vs. Olimar (40:60)
Jigglypuff vs. Pikachu (45:55)
Jigglypuff vs. Kirby (40:60)
Jigglypuff vs. ZSS (35:65)
Jigglypuff vs. DK (35:65)
Jigglypuff vs. Bowser (40:60)
Jigglypuff vs. Mario (45:55)
Jigglypuff vs. Lucas (40:60)
Lucas MU thread
Lucas vs. Yoshi (45:55)
That's all I think Rajam. Kindof alot ^^"
ZSS vs. Peach (50-50)
ZSS vs. Fox (50-50) *might be 55:45 it's just in a section that looks it could be either*
ZSS vs. Luigi (60-40)
ZSS vs. Bowser (70-30)
ZSS vs. Lucas (60-40)
Jigglypuff MU thread
Jigglypuff vs. Olimar (40:60)
Jigglypuff vs. Pikachu (45:55)
Jigglypuff vs. Kirby (40:60)
Jigglypuff vs. ZSS (35:65)
Jigglypuff vs. DK (35:65)
Jigglypuff vs. Bowser (40:60)
Jigglypuff vs. Mario (45:55)
Jigglypuff vs. Lucas (40:60)
Lucas MU thread
Lucas vs. Yoshi (45:55)
That's all I think Rajam. Kindof alot ^^"
Rajam
Smash Champion
Update coming soon (first days of August)... as well as a new layout for the main chart.
Rajam
Smash Champion
New Chart layout in the OP!
Credits: t3h Icy
Credits: t3h Icy
Noa.
Smash Master
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=278903
The OP of that thread has opinions on what the Olimar boards think about certain matchups. They are all updated and new, since we decided it like a week ago.
Albeit they aren't ratios so I'm not sure exactly how you will interpret them.
The OP of that thread has opinions on what the Olimar boards think about certain matchups. They are all updated and new, since we decided it like a week ago.
Albeit they aren't ratios so I'm not sure exactly how you will interpret them.
TheOriginalSmasher
Smash Ace
I love the MU Tier List
lordhelmet
Smash Master
Chart looks really good. It's a shame that most other boards have never played a decent CF, or the ratios are very outdated (or both).
MythTrainerInfinity
Smash Champion
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=221578
Has the updated numbers of all official Lucario MUs. Members from the Lucario Back Room voted on each MU and I averaged out it to two decimal places. Feel free to round things up as you like.
Has the updated numbers of all official Lucario MUs. Members from the Lucario Back Room voted on each MU and I averaged out it to two decimal places. Feel free to round things up as you like.
Fuujin
Smash Champion
again I'll recommend this, http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=267986
Work is actually being done on it.
Like 70% of Zelda's on the current chart are wrong.
Work is actually being done on it.
Like 70% of Zelda's on the current chart are wrong.
lordhelmet
Smash Master
You should probably just remove all of Zelda's because roflmao @ 7-3 over CF.
Ayoub
Smash Ace
Uh Snake/Diddy aren't in Pits favour.
JoeCool33
Smash Cadet
is this pretty updated?
Noa.
Smash Master
^Read the thread title?
JoeCool33
Smash Cadet
ok lol....
B!squick
Smash Master
Technodeath
Smash Champion
I like the current matchup design better to be honest.
I can't really see anything worth arguing.
I can't really see anything worth arguing.
Seagull Joe
Smash Legend
Wolf is only 40-60 vs Mk. Not 35-65.
Rajam
Smash Champion
Update coming tomorrow, if not today.
xDD-Master
Smash Champion
New chart looks fine, except the missing ratios having a black background, make it white please :S
B!squick
Smash Master
Black is way better.
Rajam
Smash Champion
All of these updated
New thread added
though I'll delete the older ones once they get older than a yearmmm me neither
If you convince Olimar board to put some translation of that to ratios it would be great-------------
OP updated!
21-Aug-2010: Bowser 35 Meta Knight; Captain Falcon 25 Ice Climbers, 50 Link, 30 Pikachu, 40 Lucario, and change in MU thread; Diddy Kong last thread erased and its ratios (Wolf, Yoshi - older than a year); Donkey Kong 50 Marth; Falco 60 Zelda, 58 Mario; Mr. Game & Watch 50 King Dedede, 45 Olimar, and new thread; Ganondorf 20 Meta Knight, 30 Snake, and new thread; Ice Climbers last thread erased and its ratios (R.O.B., Falco, King Dedede, Pikachu, Lucario, Mr. Game & Watch, Pit, Toon Link, Zero Suit Samus, Kirby, Mario, Captain Falcon, Link, Ganondorf, Peach, Fox, Luigi, Wolf, Pokémon Trainer, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Charizard, Sonic, Ness, Bowser, Lucas, Ike, Yoshi, Samus, Jigglypuff - older than a year); Ike 28 Meta Knight, 42 Snake, 42 Diddy Kong, 37 Falco, 49 Ice Climbers, 37 Marth, 46 Wario, 37 King Dedede, 47 Pikachu, 37 Olimar, 43 Lucario, 47 Mr. Game & Watch, 41 Toon Link, 47 Kirby, 49 Peach, 44 Fox, 58 Luigi, 44 Wolf, 44 Sheik, 54 Pokémon Trainer, 58 Squirtle, 61 Ivysaur, 51 Charizard, 48 Sonic, 53 Ness, 59 Bowser, 54 Lucas, 54 Yoshi, 51 Mario, 58 Captain Falcon, 43 Samus, 54 Jigglypuff, 64 Ganondorf, and last thread erased (older than a year); Jigglypuff 30 Meta Knight, 40 King Dedede, 25 Mr. Game & Watch, 50 Falco, 30 Marth, 35 Donkey Kong, 45 Pikachu, 40 Kirby, 40 Olimar, 35 Zero Suit Samus, 40 Bowser, 60 Ike, 40 Lucas, 45 Mario; Link 40 Toon Link, 40 Zero Suit Samus, 40 Donkey Kong, 35 Wolf, 45 Sonic, 50 Ness, 50 Jigglypuff; Lucario 41 Meta Knight, 41 Snake, 47 Diddy Kong, 46 Falco, 52 Ice Climbers, 42 Marth, 46 Wario, 39 King Dedede, 58 Pikachu, 43 Olimar, 51 Mr. Game & Watch, 53 Pit, 54 Toon Link, 54 Zero Suit Samus, 53 Kirby, 52 R.O.B., 49 Donkey Kong, 59 Peach, 48 Fox, 58 Luigi, 51 Wolf, 62 Sheik, 60 Pokémon Trainer, 56 Squirtle, 66 Ivysaur, 59 Charizard, 64 Sonic, 58 Ness, 59 Lucas, 62 Ike, 64 Yoshi, 61 Mario, 63 Captain Falcon, 64 Samus, 62 Jigglypuff, 67 Zelda, 66 Link, 73 Ganondorf; Lucas 40 King Dedede, 48 Bowser, 45 Yoshi, 55 Luigi; Luigi last thread erased and its ratios (Ness, R.O.B., Kirby, Zero Suit Samus, Toon Link, Mr. Game & Watch, King Dedede, Falco, Meta Knight, Diddy Kong - older than a year); Meta Knight new thread; Olimar last two threads erased and its ratios (Squirtle - older than a year); Peach 45 Marth, 35 Meta Knight; R.O.B. 60 Ice Climbers; Samus 60 Mario, 35 Diddy Kong, 50 Luigi; Snake last thread erased and its ratios (Wario, Lucario, Pit, Toon Link, Zero Suit Samus, Donkey Kong, Peach, Fox, Luigi, Wolf, Sheik, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Charizard, Sonic, Ness, Bowser, Lucas, Ike, Yoshi, Mario, Captain Falcon, Samus, Jigglypuff, Zelda, Link, Ganondorf - older than a year); Toon Link 48 Falco, 50 Olimar, 55 Pit, 50 Kirby, 55 Luigi, 60 Ness, and new thread; Wario 60 Bowser, 60 Zelda, 60 Pokémon Trainer, 60 Ike, 60 Lucas, 60 Mario, 60 Yoshi, 60 Ness, 60 Samus, 60 Jigglypuff, 60 Captain Falcon, 60 Link, 60 Ganondorf; Zelda 20 Meta Knight, 35 Falco, 40 R.O.B., 55 Yoshi, and new thread; Zero Suit Samus 70 Bowser, 60 Lucas, 60 Ike, 60 Luigi, 50 Peach, 50 Fox
xDD-Master
Smash Champion
You actually posted the new pic with teh old style :O!
lordhelmet
Smash Master
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=250076
CF boards with a pretty big index update. Some of the past MUs got changed 5 points so double check them too.
Edit:
Can you override Zelda's old MUs with the new chart? 30-70 over Falcon is just ROFLMAO
CF boards with a pretty big index update. Some of the past MUs got changed 5 points so double check them too.
Edit:
Can you override Zelda's old MUs with the new chart? 30-70 over Falcon is just ROFLMAO