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I mostly agree; I think DK is even and would also add Pikachu to the even list.
Alright.If you wait for him to land he can tech most things that aren't grab/knee/rest/shine/vertical KO move pretty well though.
Like that =D
Peach sucks
I'm not dealing with ****ty characters I don't use or haven't seen used in the matchup.
He didn't go almost all mewtwo. He used Shiek a lot. In Grand Finals I think he went almost entirely Shiek.
I mean you're mostly right, I just thought you were exaggerating a little/not taking into account that a couple (usable) characters have trouble hitting close to 100% of edgeguards on falcon.
Kirby should ban FD against link every time IMO.
As far as I'm concerned, the only character that clearly doesn't have super ridiculous homosexual edgeguarding on Falcon is Peach in terms of the top 7 or so. And Marth, I suppose, but I'm still not sure if I think that's because Marth's actual edgeguarding is flawed or if the Marth players are just failing. It's a tough call. He doesn't have a strong, sex-kick aerial like Fox/Sheik/Falco Bair or a definitive KO aerial like Falcon's Knee that he could just combo into offstage except his Up+B I guess but that has a lot of restrictions with being a recovery move too. When I saw Cactuar play some MMs at one of the RoMs with Jiano he just weak Fair --> F-smashed over and over and it looked pretty good.
all of this. especially the last couple parts. you really cant know until you play kirby and are actually good with him. people just assume hes horrible theoretically. hes still pretty horrible, but not as horrible as people think is what im saying. anyone whos played my kirby can attest to that.
ICs have super-solid edgeguards on Falcon. Smashes work, but the best thing to do is just hold the ledge, and wait for him to come up. Just stand up> bair or grab (if you have nana). If nana gets man-hugged, popo can bair or stand up>fsmash. Out of the grab, you just charge fsmash>uthrow to reverse it, and repeat. Its alot like edgeguarding sheik really.
You heard it here first.
Every single one of your posts I've ever seen are you saying Pichu is not as bad as people say. I'm not saying you think hes a good character but I AM saying that you try to convince others hes not as bad. Pichu has no range on ANYTHING, no safe kill moves, weak edge game, and dies insanely fast. I will agree that people don't know how to use him properly and that some of his best moves (nair, usmash, bair) don't hurt him and are decent finishers. The only thing he has going is being hard to hit against the likes of Falcon and MAYBE Falco. That's it.
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No, hes underrated! Duh! (See above)
No, just........no. Marth arguably has the most creativity when edge guarding his opponents aside from the Mario brothers. Counter, neu b, f tilt, d tilt, fsmash, drop zone fair, ledge hop dair, ledge drop bair, reverse up b, f throw to d tilt Vs fast fallers, seriously....i can go on forever.
I agree with everything here sir. Roy is good against fast fallers. Thats it. Nothing else. lol. Countering Firefox is too fun. I think DK is incredible as long as its not VS Sheik, Fox or Falco. I think hes really good VS the rest of the cast though. Hes solid but not awesome. Dk's combos are extremely fun too. Cargo throw is the business.
Kirbys Falco laser game is actually DECENT. LOL. I've tried this before. He looks mad cute too.
Pretty much how the entire smash community feels about low tiers.
If he lands on a platform, react faster. And you're right that it is usually better to hit him when he's offstage, true, but a lot of people don't even realize that you don't need to do that situationally (notably if he's reached KO percent for U-smash and you're Fox, or if Puff is at low percent and Falcon's over like 15-20, etc).
He's also twice as comboable so you just do a stupid combo or chain grab and THEN knock him off and there's no troublesome invincible startup or poof explosion tricks to worry about either. Just some super telegraphed Falcon Kick that you can stick any aerial in front of and win.
Yeah, the poof invincible crap that i dont understand doesnt happen, which is good. But as far as comboing or chaingrabbing, I don't see how that would be possible when attempting to do the edgeguard loop on Falcon. Or at very least, I don't see how it would be any easier against Falcon than sheik.
See, I've played enough of it to know that Kirby doesn't have the advantage.
Yeah peach can definitely edgeguard falcon realllly well in some situations, but can she really cover all of his options all the time?
He's fatter and a fast faller. Consequently, a lot of characters can CG him / combo him longer than they can on Sheik so if they let him land onstage on FD or something, they can do gayer things with it. Say, Doc, at 60, after his CG no longer works on Sheik he'd just immediately F-smash her off (or D-smash or D-throw --> Smash) whereas with Falcon he can do that but also has the added option of CGing him via D-throw to like 140 and then doing something.
Do any docs actually do this consistently? Hit the uthrow chaingrab -> dthrow chaingrab -> death I mean.
I dont believe I have seen that often. Doc on the other hand is a very good char.
I very rarely see a 0-death upthrow chaingrab-> downthrow chaingrab. I'm pretty sure if it were easy enough, I'd see it done more by now. Since DI should be pretty high up on the prioritiy list for survival of fastfallers, Fox, Falco, and Falcon will probably switch DI at different trajectories to avoid getting regrabbed. At the early part of the d-throw chaingrab, it's kinda difficult to follow DI for the regrab. And there's like five different angles of trajectory that people can use to DI: heavy left, slightly left, straight upwards (not sure if you actually go up higher than not DI'ing at all), slightly right, heavy right.
